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 Feb 2, 08, 11:39    #421
Sombre nation? And Poland isn't u think?

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 Feb 3, 08, 02:17    #422
I was recently going through Vancouver's airport. Sure enough, I was harrased multiple times. The airport itself is unchanged from the incident, in terms of facilitating it for new travellers/immigrants. Shame on the authorities. That place gives me the creeps, and made me think of poor Dziekanski.
miranda Edited by: miranda  Mar 16, 08, 08:58    #423
link to an article about Police brutality protest in Montreal, Canada;)

URL
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 Mar 16, 08, 12:29    #424
Are you still whining about that retard what's his name who terrorized the Vancouver International? LOL
miranda Edited by: miranda  Mar 16, 08, 12:30    #425
Dice wrote:
Are you still whining about that retard what's his name who terrorized the Vancouver International? LOL

yes, I am. You don't have to read it, do you? Have you no free will or something?
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 Mar 17, 08, 16:45    #426
This was an obvious tragedy and a sickening reminder of how xenophobic and racist the authorities really are. But we always knew this. Canadian history is full of examples of mistreatment of minorities, including of Slavic origins.

What makes me even sadder, however, is the response of some Poles who argue that the police murder of Mr. Dziekanski was necessary and justifiable. There seems to be a denial on behalf of some Poles to acknowledge that polonophobia is real and that we suffer disdain for being Poles. I recall from the media footage that the police noted that the immigrant spoke some kind of Eastern European language. I can't ignore the fact that they viewed him as a Slav.
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 Mar 31, 08, 11:06    #427
Ziomek,
I agree with you completly. For a final assignment in my law class a few months ago, the teacher gave us the choice of writing an essay on whatever we wanted (that had to do with law). I did mine of police brutality, and every single victim that I mentioned she had torn apart my evidence. I had written alot about Dziekanski-from the time leading up to his murder to after it-and she wrote to the side of my paper "if your going to present a case-present the entire case; he had actually thrown a computer through a window." She was trying to imply that,even if he did throw a computer through a window, which he didn't, his death was just. Most people are outraged about this, but it doesn't make sense to me why there are even a tiny few who are trying to defend the police...what happened happened, its right infront of their eyes...
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 Mar 31, 08, 11:22    #428
ziomek wrote:
I recall from the media footage that the police noted that the immigrant spoke some kind of Eastern European language. I can't ignore the fact that they viewed him as a Slav.


That doesnt mean that thats why they tasered him though does it? The guards were totally out of order and completed exceeded the levels of force needed to control the guy. However many Slavs come and go through Vancouver airport without being electrocuted by the authorities.
bobo  Oct 6, 08, 22:08    #429
Hi,

Im a half-polish person living in Canada and i have never heard that "polophobia" whatever it is. No polish person I know has ever been discriminated because they are polish. All the Polish people I know are all respected greatly. BTW, us Polish people find that being called Poles is rude. Polish people is much better.
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 Oct 6, 08, 22:09    #430
bobo:

us Polish people find that being called Poles is rude


lol, ok Polish person...
Guest  Feb 25, 09, 22:17    #431
those fucking cops are the biggest pussy murderers around and they should be locked up!
Shawn_H  Feb 25, 09, 22:20    #432
Guest:
they should be locked up!

Polish authorities may become involved.
TT  Feb 26, 09, 03:45    #433
thank goodness cops saved him from himself then...
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 Feb 26, 09, 17:46    #434
Shawn_H:
A damning editorial on the murder of Robert Dziekanski.

Proud to be a Canadian? Not so much any more.

"The post you requested cannot be found or no longer exists. The administrator or moderator may have deleted the post."

Shawn, did you watch highlights of the questioning of one of the mounties by mrs. dziekanski's lawyer yesterday? That was something! I can't find a transcript of it though.


Btw, what's your connection to Poland?
Shawn_H  Feb 26, 09, 18:51    #435
polishcanuck:
Shawn, did you watch highlights of the questioning of one of the mounties by mrs. dziekanski's lawyer yesterday? That was something! I can't find a transcript of it though.

Saw some highlights over the last couple of days in the news. Shameful behaviour by Canada's supposed finest.

polishcanuck:
Btw, what's your connection to Poland?

My better half.
Shawn_H Edited by: Shawn_H  Feb 26, 09, 23:11    #436
polishcanuck:
"The post you requested cannot be found or no longer exists. The administrator or moderator may have deleted the post."

For some reason (RCMP Influence???) The National Post took it down.

Here is a copy of the article taken from the author's blog:

Not only were none of the officers charged, they were not even placed under suspension, and their fraternal leadership issued an immediate statement backing up the actions of officers. In fact the crown even said that the police used “reasonable force” under the circumstances. Reasonable force, as it turns out, that is becoming less and less reasonable under witness testimony in the Braidwood Inquiry.

The first mistake appears to be the fact that the four officers approached the man without any game plan whatsoever. Without any consultation with local witnesses or on scene security, Constable Gerry Rundel testified “I don’t recall anything being said” before they proceeded to question the man. A witness even told the Constable that Mr.Dziekanski did not speak English, yet the officers have testified they approached him and asked him questions in English without seeking a translator.

We’re also led to believe that four RCMP police officers, supposedly trained in these types of confrontations, felt their safety was in great peril and needed to act immediately by tasering the victim five times within 30 seconds of meeting a man who didn’t speak any English. Four men trained in subduing aggressive criminals did not decide to consult one another, or the eyewitnesses, or back off and try to calm Mr.Dziekanski down. No. They were clearly all of one mind: take Robert Dziekanski down first, and ask questions later. And what was the source of their terribly irrational fear of one single man with a chair being held as a shield in front of him? A stapler, we’re to believe. Four highly trained men were afraid of a single man in an area free of any other bystanders, because he had a “glazed look” in his eye and was holding a stapler.

Trying to deflect the blame for these events is appalling. There is no justification for the way Canada failed Mr. Dziekanski, but we certainly don’t have to continue failing his memory by obfuscating what happened. The sooner we admit that the police can make grievous errors causing death, the sooner we can find a way to mitigate future incidents, and allow his mother to begin healing. An admission of wrong-doing from the RCMP and an apology to Sofia Cisowski is in order.


veryspooky  Feb 27, 09, 00:38    #437
Your an blind idiot. That was clearly bullying followed by a killing.
Shawn_H  Feb 27, 09, 00:40    #438
So the police bullied then killed him?
veryspooky  Feb 27, 09, 00:42    #439
That's how I see it, he was not threatening to them in any serious way. I'm sure when i look at the video he turns his back to them as though he is ready to be cuffed, but then they force him around the corner for their take down.
veryspooky  Feb 27, 09, 00:47    #440
I think your professor needs to get her facts straight, this case makes me sick every time I hear about those bullies getting away with killing this man.
veryspooky  Feb 27, 09, 00:55    #441
Dice you are a cold hearted bastard.
That man was no serious threat in anyway and was killed, is this the kind of thing you would say to the mans mother.
veryspooky  Feb 27, 09, 01:13    #442
Are people so afraid these days that they will defend the actions of the officers in this case as being necessary. I think anyone who defends the officers actions have no backbone.
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 Mar 5, 09, 01:01    #443
Update - Poland's lawyer speaks:

Lawyer accuses police of cover-up at Taser inquiry
Updated Wed. Mar. 4 2009 3:29 PM ET

The Canadian Press

VANCOUVER -- The lawyer for the Polish government has accused a Mountie testifying at a public inquiry of collaborating with other officers and lying under oath to justify his use of a Taser.
[url=http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090304/taser_inquiry_090304/20090304/][/url]


Mountie's testimony inconsistent, says lawyer
Updated Tue. Mar. 3 2009 8:35 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

The Mountie who shocked Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski with a Taser five times gave inaccurate statements about the incident to cover his mistakes, a lawyer suggested Tuesday.
[url=http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090303/tase r_inquiry_090303/20090303/][/url]
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 Mar 8, 09, 13:34    #444
ziomek:
This was an obvious tragedy and a sickening reminder of how xenophobic and racist the authorities really are. But we always knew this. Canadian history is full of examples of mistreatment of minorities, including of Slavic origins.

while i agree that those in uniform have a very commonly occurring tendency to abuse the authority of their position, i don't think "Polish" is a race and don't think this qualifies as racsim. I'm not even sure "Slavic" is a race, aren't there only three varieties and then everything is down to ethnicity?

Anyway they didn't even know what language he was speaking (they thought it was Russian).

Canadians do this very often- always try to be recognized as part of some "special" group and throw out crazy inaccurate accusations which only allow the real problems to escape attention. He was not viewed as a "Slav" he was viewed as not worth the officers time and effort to be held safely- something officers in Canada have a history of doing across the country to people of various ethnicities.
miranda  Mar 8, 09, 16:16    #445
Foreigner4:
something officers in Canada have a history of doing across the country to people of various ethnicities.

it is called racial profiling.
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 Mar 9, 09, 15:40    #446
miranda:
it is called racial profiling.

And at times it is necessary.
miranda Edited by: miranda  Mar 9, 09, 16:04    #447
polishcanuck:
And at times it is necessary.

I doubt it very much, but we can disagree on that.
When is it neccessary. The whole term profiling means that police assigns certain characteristics based on nationality/race - which often (Dziekanski's case) is a miss.
Shawn_H  Mar 9, 09, 16:11    #448
polishcanuck:
And at times it is necessary.

miranda:
I doubt it very much, but we can disagree on that.

miranda:
it is called racial profiling

In this case, (in my opinion), profiling had nothing to do with it. They would have tazed him whether he was Polish, Norwegian or Nigerian. Gun happy goons, that's all they are. I sincerely hope that there is a civil case brought against them, if the opportunity to re-examine criminal charges doesn't come about.
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 Mar 9, 09, 16:20    #449
I agree with the poster above me, and for the love of christ everyone: POLISH IS NOT A RACE!
are we clear now?
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 Mar 9, 09, 16:34    #450
miranda:
I doubt it very much, but we can disagree on that.

So if there is a manhunt for a black male (or pole, or ukranian, or asian or blond etc.) the police should not announce to the public that they are looking for a black guy???

Sounds like you are one of those people who would find the following as acceptable gvoernment ID:

fatima

Shawn_H:
In this case, (in my opinion), profiling had nothing to do with it. They would have tazed him whether he was Polish, Norwegian or Nigerian. Gun happy goons, that's all they are.

Exactly.


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