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Polish Visitor to Vancouver Canada killed by RCMP TASER on the Airport

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Mar 11, 09, 05:19 #451

He came to Canada with the basic understanding of the laws of most countries that by throwing chairs and yelling a foreign language at men and wimen who have to deal with violence and danger every day were innocent people are in danger just because this man traveled such a distance does not excuse his erratic behavior the cops did what was necessary to make sure he didn’t cause any damage or harm to others or himself it’s sad that he died but he had a better chance of surviving electric volts than a piece of lead from a 9milimeter hollow point fired at his chest. tasers are safer than handguns pepper spray and batons.....complain when the cops come complain when they don’t

Foreigner4Threads: 21 Posts: 1,747 Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂	Mar 12, 09, 13:28 #452
angrycanuk: tasers are safer than handguns pepper spray and batons unless used in the manner as by the four officers who were tasked to defuse the man in such a way that they become lethal. seriously how is a taser safer than pepperspray and how did you come to your findings? the thing is, tasers were not required in the first place.

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Mar 12, 09, 13:36 #453

angrycanuk:

You might well have something of interest to say, but you really need to learn how to organise your thoughts cohesively and coherently... simple punctuation would be a start... sentence structures and paragraphs will quickly follow.

It's not difficult, I believe even monkeys have learnt how to do it.

good luck!

JucheThreads: 13 Posts: 356 Joined: Feb 17, 09 ♂	Mar 12, 09, 14:54 #454
this same happened 4 years ago at Pyongyang airport and responsible party was met with furious volley of AK47 bulelts - all in all Canadian response is tame and subdued when compare to our able and vigourous shock troops

Shawn_H

Mar 12, 09, 15:50 #455

angrycanuk:

He came to Canada with the basic understanding of the laws

Are you sure?

angrycanuk:

by throwing chairs and yelling a foreign language at men and wimen who have to deal with violence and danger every day

On the video, there was no yelling or throwing at the time the RCMP arrived.

angrycanuk:

just because this man traveled such a distance does not excuse his erratic behavior

And you've never lost control? Ever? Let alone in a foreign country, in a foreign language, after 10 hours lost in a maze?

angrycanuk:

the cops did what was necessary to make sure he didn’t cause any damage or harm to others

Yeah, that an plenty more.

angrycanuk:

harm to others or himself

They took care of harm to himself by their negligent behaviour. Four extra jolts of the tazer after he was down, sitting on him to make sure he couldn't breathe, impeding the aid of first responders. Yep, they really made sure he couldn't harm himself.

angrycanuk:

it’s sad that he died

That is the first piece of common sense you have displayed.

angrycanuk:

but he had a better chance of surviving electric volts than a piece of lead from a 9milimeter hollow point fired at his chest

True, but he would have fared better if these 4 thugs had taken him down with a baton, even after he turned around in submission.

angrycanuk:

tasers are safer than handguns pepper spray and batons

Yes, but they should be reserved for combative individuals, Mr. Dziekanski obviously wasn't.

angrycanuk:

complain when the cops come complain when they don’t

Complain when it is justified. Those officers clearly crossed the line.

Juche:

all in all Canadian response is tame and subdued when compare to our able and vigourous shock troops

Come to Canada, let them practice some vigorousness on your ass.

miranda	Mar 12, 09, 15:56 #456
Foreigner4: POLISH IS NOT A RACE! are we clear now? racial profiling is not exclusive to race my dear F;)

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06 ♀	Mar 12, 09, 16:32 #457
Juche: all in all Canadian response is tame and subdued when compare to our able and vigourous shock troops That's because Canadians are civilized human beings

Guest	Mar 13, 09, 06:15 #458
im not saying this was the R.C.M.P or deznenski faualt but we all have seen the cell phone footage that allot could have been don to stop but unforchinetly both parties failed to deesscalate the situation

Foreigner4Threads: 21 Posts: 1,747 Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂	Mar 13, 09, 15:10 #459
miranda: racial profiling is not exclusive to race my dear F;) You may be misinterpreting what the term means then, my sweet M :P

miranda	Mar 13, 09, 15:25 #460
Foreigner4: You may be misinterpreting what the term means then I am pretty sure I am not, since it is a simple term Mr F:)

Foreigner4Threads: 21 Posts: 1,747 Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂	Mar 13, 09, 23:59 #461
well colour me confused cause i thought "racial" profiling was profiling based on race, didn't know it meant race and "other things." Shame on me, shame on me.

miranda	Mar 14, 09, 00:12 #462
Foreigner4: Shame on me, shame on me. yep, but you not going to be bummed out about to for too long:). It takes a real man to admit that he was wrong:) Kudos to you Mr F;) P

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 14, 09, 00:17 #463
He received a stunning welcome. He was shocked at that ;) ;) I know this is a serious case but I couldn't resist. RIP!

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Edited by: polishcanuck Mar 26, 09, 00:31 #464

Update:

Mountie tells probe he felt threatened by stapler[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090325.BCTASE2 5/TPStory/?query=dziekanski][/url]

"He also admitted that his first-aid training had been expired for five years on the night that he helped tend to the unconscious Mr. Dziekanski, who died from a heart attack after being tasered and wrestled into handcuffs by the officers."

I can just see the end to this investigation: "It's not the officers' fault, the 'system' is responsible for dziekanski's death for not properly training its officers."

More quotes from the article:

"I would rank him as one of the hardest people I have ever had to arrest, to put the handcuffs on," he testified.

"The officers have said they felt threatened because Mr. Dziekanski was holding a stapler in what they described as a "combative position.""

miranda	Mar 26, 09, 12:05 #465
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/608525 an update on Dziekanski's case.

shoshone101	Mar 27, 09, 02:22 #466
I hope Robert's mother sues those 4 goons. Not only have they killed her son but they have done a great disservice to all the RCMP members who are honest.

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07 ♂	Mar 27, 09, 19:17 #467
Start the video around 5:45. 2 of the rcmp officers involved answer answer questions. Dziekanski was tasered for a total of 31 seconds! Turns out that multiple/prolonged shocks increase the likelihood of death. http://www.cbc.ca/video/popup.html?/mrl3/8752/vsu/wmv-hi-1200/zalac-hi t-him-090325.wmv

Guest	Mar 29, 09, 08:32 #468
It was definintley murder but once again the police and system will whitewash it. Another interesting point is the Corporal in so called charge killed a motorcyclist 2 years prior while impaired and is still employed by the RCMP. Hey, what,s that about?

eagle0000

Mar 31, 09, 14:14 #469

I totally agree with you. I found that Canadian Police officers and RCMP are racist. They are liers. They are incompetent. They have no credibility at all. I have reasons to say it not just based on this case of Robert(the polish visitor), but also because I was a victim of a police officer and a paramedic! young guys in their 30's. The police report was a all false. What could I do? nothing. The law was never the law. They are worse than criminals with their toys =weapons.
If Canada doesn't change its actitud of unfair treatment is going to end worse than US. Become the next AntiChrist (=US). Killing inocent people and puting blood in its hands.
The RCMP should be in jail. Now they want to make us believe the polish was a dangerous man. They think we are stupid. We saw the video, and even if the polish was dangerous at the airport the RCMP shot someone without a gun, without reason. Are we people=human beings are going to tolerate and support these actions from the RCMP / police? come on! where are we living? in hell?. WE have strong believes in God, morals and ethics. Put the RCMP in jail for ever. He the RCMP is a criminal! don't make excuses for that RCMP! Why do you want to keep the RCMP guy free of gilt?. why???

monie	Mar 31, 09, 14:29 #470
The RCMP, the police officers and the authorities who support these actions are criminals. It is clear what the RCMP did to this person (Robert). He was a human being like you, your brother, sister, mother, children or any family or friend.

Frankie Villae	Mar 31, 09, 14:35 #471
Canadians civilized???? Candians are criminals, that was an unhuman treatment. he was person no an animal???are we accepting this action? what if this happened to you??? Please post under one user name not three.

sad	Mar 31, 09, 15:42 #472
Poor guy hadn't slept for two days before flight to Canada :( cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2009/03/30/8941836-cp.html

BCSlave	Apr 2, 09, 03:24 #473
You are so right! They are Maple Nazis!

visitor

Apr 15, 09, 18:58 #474

Since when a stapler also considered Weapon of Mass Destruction ?!
I believe nail cutter is, well, at least by US standard.
What would you do if you were the rcmp in that 30 seconds ? How would you know the stapler-like thing was not lethal ? Would you fire more shots at the target even after the target was down and dying on the floor ? What would happen if Mr. Dziekanski survives from the incident ? Would rcmps handle Mr. Dziekanski differently if this happens without the present of bystanders ?

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Apr 16, 09, 04:09 #475

Its hard to say what i would do in such a situation if i were a Police officer...Whist my number one priority would be to go home in one piece at the end of my shift i would not want to kill anybody unless i thought they were a real threat to me or somebody else... From what i have seen of this incident there was not a need to use such force on this guy , and hopefully the inquiry will root out any wrongdoing on the part of the Police officers....Ask yourself though , if you were in this situation as a Police officer , would you give somebody the benefit of the doubt and risk being killed , or would you shoot , and be sure you were going to go home in one piece...?

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Apr 23, 09, 00:01 #476

RCMP 'sorry' for errors in taser briefings

JANE ARMSTRONG
Globe and Mail Update
April 22, 2009 at 5:10 AM EDT

VANCOUVER — The RCMP has admitted that it gave wrong information to the public about the circumstances of Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski's death. But the force has denied that it lied or suppressed information about the disturbing circumstances of Mr. Dziekanski's death.

www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090422.wbctaser22art2227 /BNStory/National/

alstein24	Jun 16, 09, 00:12 #477
he wandered around the airport for 8 hours before he started to throw chairs. He needed help but couldnt find it. would u be upset if you were looking for 8 hours how to get out of an airport?

frenchman canad

Sep 20, 09, 14:30 #478

I am French citizen and last December 2008 between Bufallo (US) and Windsor (ON) Canada, the Canadian customs a lady with red hair (tainted) destroyed the picture of my French passport at 4.00am when I crossed the border from US to Canada, and then she told me that my passport was not valid, the Canadian customs put me in a taxi to send me back to the US Border and the US Customs declared me that my passport was still valid and I could travel in any States of America and I was welcome back. I asked to the US customs to call the Canadian customs but she still refused me to enter in Canada.
I went to Chicago at the French Consulate to ask for an emergency passport to enter in Canada. I could enter, it was an other officer very respectful.
I lost 1 week, and a lot of money for this bizarre lady as canadian customs, if some Canadian customs can not act with respect and professionalism, so she should clean the trottoir to give her seat to a professional person! that's it!
(by the way they should write correctly French on the wall of the Customs Offices! Looks horrible and uneducated!

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Sep 20, 09, 22:40 #479

i have to say the Vancouver Airport is one of the most disorganized and chaotic airports I have ever been in. going through customs was a nightmare and there were no signs anywhere telling me where to go and no one was much help. i was ready to blow up at the next person that gave me misguided directions, and I speak English!
however, that was just one time and I know they were doing renovations for the Olympics I believe but still, it was a total disaster. I remembered what happened to that poor man and having just gone through that airport with no idea where to go next I wasn't surprised.
traveling and going through airports can be a ***** and sometimes if you show your anger and frustration you get treated like a criminal.

JacekNThreads: 3 Posts: 7 Joined: Sep 24, 09 ♂	Sep 26, 09, 17:11 #480
Accidents like that happen. It's a tragedy that one can argue one way or another. But there's no argument in the fact that RCMP is lying. If you ask Canadians what they think about this, 9 of 10 would say officers should be punished. As you can see, however, consequences are very unlikely.

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