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 Jan 19, 12, 19:06    #1
I haven't been in here in quite some time. I thought I would pop in and see what's being discussed. I'm really surprised, shocked actually, that this has not been discussed in here.

Here are some links:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-01-12/ohio-state-pre sident-gee-polish-army/52514680/1

http://www.freep.com/article/20120116/COL32/120116045/Ron-Dzwonkowski- Ohio-State-president-s-Polish-joke-not-funny-not-acceptable

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=h0e8di lE8qQ]
The actual video where he makes the remarks. Starts at 40:20 mark.

And in case someone here wants to say that people should get over it, I would like to point out that nobody needs to get over it. Also, it was enough of a big deal that the Kosciuszko Foundation, The Polish American Congress, The Polish Embassy in DC AND US Rep. Kaptur all released comments on it expressing their disappointment in his actions.

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW4VjmCOSG8&feature=player_em bedded#!]

If you would like to contact Ohio State University regarding this matter, contact information can be found here: http://polishmamaontheprairie.blogspot.com/2012/01/follow-up-about-gor don-gees-racism.html

~Kasia

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 Jan 19, 12, 20:18    #2
Really? No comments, PF?
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 Jan 19, 12, 20:44    #3
PF will not be interested until someone will prise Poland;)
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 Jan 19, 12, 20:48    #4
he simply made a stupid comment and nothing more.
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 Jan 19, 12, 21:05    #5
http://www.youtube.com/embed/kW4VjmCOSG8

Here is Rep. Kaptur's video regarding the comment. It was apparently enough of a big deal to be talked about on the House of Rep floor.

And considering how often I see ppl on here bashing Poland, I'm pretty surprised this is all the reaction made.
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 Jan 19, 12, 21:11    #6
From the OP link:
"When we had these 18 colleges all kind of floating around, they were kind of like PT Boats, they were shooting each other," Gee said. "It was kind of like the Polish army or something. I have no idea what it was."

I'd bet he was making reference to the well known joke about Polish firing squads standing in a circle. Not a joke he invented so it would difficult to warrant an issued apology.
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 Jan 19, 12, 21:31    #7
modafinil:
Not a joke he invented so it would difficult to warrant an issued apology.


I assume that's the joke he was referencing as well. But just because you didn't invent the joke, the same as a racial slur, doesn't mean you can go around saying it without any issues. This is a man who is the head of a place of learning. He is an example meant to be looked up to by students, someone who regulates the University and who's bigotry could influence certain students negatively, either as an example or by using his bigotry to limit their funding, entry, etc. This isn't just some shmuck on the street. Which is why he should be help up to a certain standard.
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 Jan 19, 12, 21:41    #8
Ohio State President Gordon Gee

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Gordon Gee:
"When we had these 18 colleges all kind of floating around, they were kind of like PT Boats, they were shooting each other," Gee said. "It was kind of like the Polish army or something. I have no idea what it was."

As nervous laughter arose in the audience of a couple hundred listeners at a Columbus Metropolitan Club monthly forum, Gee said, "Oh, never mind, who did I embarrass now?" A moment later he said: "I'll have to raise money for Poland now."

Gee did not apologize afterward, and stumbled a bit in responding to questions about the propriety of the remark.

"Now if you're going to say I was saying something bad about Poland, I'm not," he said. "I could have used some other term, I guess, then."

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 Jan 19, 12, 22:06    #9
From an intellectual standpoint he used the reference correctly to describe a situation as he saw it.
The free speech the US posters go on about here means he was free to express the situation as he saw fit. Intellectuals are not barred from having their own taste in humour however 'black'. And Rep Kaptur got to increase her standing amongst PolAms with a speech that one of the American mod's here would thrown into the bin for being off-topic (she clearly never heard the joke before). The original joke is funny and had no relevance to the reality of the hero's of the Polish army's over the last centuries; that was not Gee's point.

If Homer Simpson, or better yet, Moe Szyslak said the same thing it would be funny, but somehow intellectuals arn't allow a SOH. After the pepper spraying this appears very mild, even if it didn't bring tear's (of laughter) to anyone's eyes.
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 Jan 19, 12, 22:17    #10
there is a range between "not quite PC" and "racial slur." if you want to be a drama queen, you call it "racial slur" (even though there isn't anything racial about it) you bet some politician is bound to pick it up for their own convenience and benefit.
to me it's "not quite PC," but i can deal with it because "not quite PC" is where I'm usually at, anyway
whoever  Jan 19, 12, 22:36    #11
modafinil:
From an intellectual standpoint he used the reference correctly to describe a situation as he saw it.


So making fun of blacks is racism. Making fun of gays is homophobia. Making fun of Poland it's a freedom of speech.

Let me exercise mine than: Brits are ... oh, why waste my time caring about some arrogant bastards.
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 Jan 19, 12, 22:38    #12
polishmama:
The Polish American Congress

...seems more and more to act like the World Jewish Congress. Just saying. ;)
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 Jan 19, 12, 23:08    #13
whoever:
So making fun of blacks is racism. Making fun of gays is homophobia. Making fun of Poland it's a freedom of speech.

Let me exercise mine than: Brits are ... oh, why waste my time caring about some arrogant bastards.


Do you hear anyone complain when a situation is described as a Mexican stand-off or Eminem calling just about anyone a faggot?
If they do, what's the All-American response to these issues?
I'm not self-pitying enough to get offended if you did say anything about me though I don't represent Britain just present my own opinion.
a.k.  Jan 19, 12, 23:51    #14
I can't post links but if someone can put here a video of a movie with Will Farell. The link ends with:
watch?v=_3NJ4cvDAn0

I hope t-rex has eaten him!
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 Jan 20, 12, 00:14    #15
-.- I have no words, just that facial expression.
a.k.  Jan 20, 12, 00:15    #16
polishmama:
-.- I have no words, just that facial expression.


because?
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 Jan 20, 12, 00:16    #17
whoever:
Making fun of Poland it's a freedom of speech.

Since when was the Polish army Poland? But don't let that small fact get in the way of a particularly impressive whine.

It's entirely possible that the man in question is stupid enough to believe the myth about the Polish army charging tanks while on horseback and he wanted to describe that level of futility when referring to what was happening during the time of which he spoke.

Can we now talk about Polish politicians telling racist jokes about Obama so as to show that there are idiots in all nations?
cyga  Jan 20, 12, 00:20    #18
polishmama:
Really? No comments, PF?

Comments by your representatives in academia as well as your politicians like Arlen Specter or more recently Rick Santorum don’t go unnoticed mind you. Ignorance of the best and brightest among you is amplified by the rest of your society and a general opinion of a conceited, ignorant, lazy ass, fat Yank that is shared by the rest of civilized societies around the world of Yanks in general is well deserved and of your own making. LOL
a.k.  Jan 20, 12, 00:20    #19
Harry:

It's entirely possible that the man in question is stupid enough to believe the myth about the Polish army charging tanks while on horseback


It's not only him. Exactly yesterday I saw a doctumentary on National Geographic about World War 2 and they mentioned that too!

Harry:
Can we now talk about Polish politicians telling racist jokes about Obama so as to show that there are idiots in all nations?


I know only about one such case. Were there others?
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 Jan 20, 12, 00:21    #20
the ability to get over oneself - a dying skill these days....
a.k.  Jan 20, 12, 00:24    #21
RoughFlavors:
the ability to get over oneself - a dying skill these days....


Why to get over? I feel really sorry for all those Polish Americans who had to grow up in such enviroment. Would you like your child to be put down, called stupid?
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 Jan 20, 12, 00:25    #22
whoever:
So making fun of blacks is racism. Making fun of gays is homophobia. Making fun of Poland it's a freedom of speech.


Yes, it is only racist to make fun of non-whites. You can pretty much say anything you like about whites.

Harry:
Can we now talk about Polish politicians telling racist jokes about Obama so as to show that there are idiots in all nations?


Entertain us, limey.
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Edited by: Harry  Jan 20, 12, 00:30    #23
cyga:
a general opinion of a conceited, ignorant, lazy ass, fat Yank that is shared by the rest of civilized societies around the world of Yanks in general is well deserved and of your own making

Nice to respond to a thread about comments which might or might not be racist with a comment that most certainly is racist.

a.k.:
I know only about one such case. Were there others?

I've heard claims that both the current foreign minister and the previous prime minister told such jokes. Both are ever so slightly more important than the president of a regional university.

a.k.:
I feel really sorry for all those Polish Americans who had to grow up in such enviroment.

They'd be welcome to move back to Poland and give Poland a hand.

BBman:

Entertain us, limey.

And more racist abuse from Polonia......
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 Jan 20, 12, 00:31    #24
modafinil:
The free speech the US posters go on about here means he was free to express the situation as he saw fit.


With all respect, not really, given his position, context of the speech, the audience, and so on. Freedom of Speech is (in my view) not a right to mock or abuse for the sake of it, and such line of justification must be disabused.

I've referred to OW Holmes' postulation in another thread that Freedom of Speech does not validate someone shouting "Fire" in a crowded theatre, and I think this is apposite here (though obviously no one ran for their lives when old mate ridiculed Poles).

What do you think? Do you agree that there should be some sort of a 'common sense' test applied to this Freedom?
cyga  Jan 20, 12, 00:35    #25
Harry:
Nice to respond to a thread about comments which might or might not be racist with a comment that most certainly is racist

Nice try there but I'm afraid no dice, the OP's article proves this statement to be true. Truth is not racist, perhaps uncomfortable sometimes but definitively not racist.
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 Jan 20, 12, 00:40    #26
Ozi Dan:
Freedom of Speech is (in my view) not a right to mock or abuse for the sake of it, and such line of justification must be disabused.

So you would agree that racially abusing British people can not be excused as merely "light-hearted" references to a person's ethnic background, as Western Australia's attorney general claimed? You would agree with the Ethnic Communities Council of WA that 'pommy' is just as racist as 'n!gger'?

Or was Gee's comment just a light-hearted reference and thus perfectly acceptable?
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 Jan 20, 12, 00:49    #27
Harry:
So you would agree that racially abusing British people can not be excused as merely "light-hearted" references to a person's ethnic background, as Western Australia's attorney general claimed? You would agree with the Ethnic Communities Council of WA that 'pommy' is just as racist as 'n!gger'?


Ergo, based on your line of reasoning, you would in turn agree that saying things like "I wouldn't urinate on you if you were on fire", "feel the back of my hand", "I hope you die of cancer", is entirely unacceptable, whether delivered in a lighthearted manner or not?

Is British really a 'race'? It's Groundhog Day!

Do you remember the deal I put to you some time ago re useage of the word Pommy? Let's revisit that, shall we? I'm still up for it.
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 Jan 20, 12, 01:01    #28
Ozi Dan:

With all respect, not really, given his position, context of the speech, the audience, and so on. Freedom of Speech is (in my view) not a right to mock or abuse for the sake of it, and such line of justification must be disabused.

I've referred to OW Holmes' postulation in another thread that Freedom of Speech does not validate someone shouting "Fire" in a crowded theatre, and I think this is apposite here (though obviously no one ran for their lives when old mate ridiculed Poles).

What do you think? Do you agree that there should be some sort of a 'common sense' test applied to this Freedom?


There is what Barney refers to as Social Grace which was lacking in Gee's anti-PC remark. Though I really do think the comment is a transposition of the term 'Mexican stand-off' as I implied earlier. The senator along with others possibly, are capatilising on a racialist not racist comment based on a commonly known myth which I consider to have been a apt analogy for what Gee saw going down. If she were really to discuss the issue she'd have spoken about the permissive nature of stereotypes not the emotive stand-and-salute rhetoric which so easily brain-dilutes Americans instead of her micro-minded it's-all-about-me attitude. But as someone who received a one-year ban from external meetings in my very PC ex-workplace for what offended some overly sensitive morons, I empathise with Gee who wanted to express his opinion in analogous terms.
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 Jan 20, 12, 01:03    #29
Ozi Dan:
Is British really a 'race'? It's Groundhog Day!

According to your own countrymen, they are and the word 'pommy' is just as racist as 'n!gger'. According to other of your countrymen, the word is perfectly acceptable when used in just and without insults.

So where do you stand? Were Gee's comments about a national army lighthearted and thus acceptable or abuse of a nation and thus unacceptable?
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 Jan 20, 12, 01:22    #30
Harry:
According to your own countrymen, they are and the word 'pommy' is just as racist as 'n!gger'. According to other of your countrymen, the word is perfectly acceptable when used in just and without insults.

One would be a pus5y to be offended by being called Pomme or Limey. Officially Pomme is no longer offensive merely slang nu Britain's rejects in the antipodes. ;)


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