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 Jan 22, 12, 10:13    #91
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Poland was NEVER conquered by just ONE nation

Don't say that too loudly in Sweden.

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 Jan 22, 12, 10:32    #92
delphiandomine:
I count wins against the UPA, the AK, Czechoslovakia and Hungary,


Hungary ????:
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 Jan 22, 12, 17:12    #93
delphiandomine:

He wouldn't have apologised if he had any knowledge about the state of the army.


Please enlight us.
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 Jan 22, 12, 18:58    #94
MediaWatch:
The Polish army beat your much larger Red Russian army back to Moscow 90 years ago. Even while Poland was just catching its breath from the destruction Russia and Germany inflicted on it from 1795-1917.


Didn't learn about the Russian civil war in school, did we?

MediaWatch:
How many times has Poland been invaded by large COWARD nations that DID NOT NEED each other to invade Poland??? Answer: ZERO


How many times did COWARD Poland invade much smaller/weaker neighbours? Answer : several.

MediaWatch:
Considering the modest size of Poland, relatively speaking the Polish army has not been too bad.


How can you say that, when Poland has only been attacked twice in 100 years? Hardly enough data.

MediaWatch:
Considering much larger aggressor nations like Germany and Russia always NEEDED each other to take over Poland, I think that says something about the capability of the Polish Army.


Germany would have beaten Poland into a pulp in WW2 with or without Russia. But - you know - haven't you heard about a thing called "military alliances"?

MediaWatch:
When the all powerful HUGE nation of Russia arrogantly invaded Poland by itself without the help of Germany in 1920, it was beaten back to Moscow.


My - your knowledge of Polish history is rather poor, isn't it?

You might want to start by reading about Pilsudski's Kiev offensive before talking about who invaded who.

MediaWatch:
Poland was NEVER conquered by just ONE nation.


The Soviet Union did a pretty useful job from 1944 onwards.

MediaWatch:
Even if that nation was much larger then Poland. Germany and Russia ALWAYS NEEDED each other to invade Poland. That says a lot about the Polish army but of course I don’t expect a Poland-hater like you to acknowledge that.


In war, they talk about a 5:2 advantage to invade successfully.

I mean - if you want to talk about ALWAYS NEEDING OTHERS - why did the USA beg everyone in sight during the 2nd Gulf War to help?

Sorry MW, but that tin foil hat isn't working too well.
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 Jan 22, 12, 19:16    #95
" How can you say that, when Poland has only been attacked twice in 100 years? Hardly enough data."
Some people could try to claim that the 1919 conflict with Czechoslovakia could be an example of Poland being stacked, but as the Polish army got its arse handed to it, they probably won't.
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 Jan 22, 12, 19:34    #96
Harry:
why did the USA beg everyone in sight during the 2nd Gulf War to help?


This is a poor arguement. The reason for the gulf war involved many nation not just the USA.


delphiandomine:
The Soviet Union did a pretty useful job from 1944 onwards.


Yeah right up to 1991. LOL

delphiandomine:
How can you say that, when Poland has only been attacked twice in 100 years? Hardly enough data.


I would argue that the Polish army acted as enough of a deterrant to prevent invasion not the other way around.
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 Jan 22, 12, 19:40    #97
delphiandomine:
why did the USA beg everyone in sight during the 2nd Gulf War to help?


To make it look "multi-national". What is your answer to that question... please tell us... please enlight us...
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 Jan 22, 12, 19:41    #98
just remember Harry if it was not for Poland your first language would be German if you would be born.
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 Jan 22, 12, 20:06    #99
And equally Marek, if it were not for Britain, YOUR first language would be German too.
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 Jan 22, 12, 20:10    #100
" just remember Harry if it was not for Poland your first language would be German if you would be born."
Yeah, that three week delay made all the difference.

And if Britain hadn't stood up for its commitments to Poland, and Generalplan Ost existed, today there'd be no Poland and no Poles.
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 Jan 22, 12, 22:54    #101
JonnyM:
if it were not for Britain, YOUR first language would be German too.


Britain? Seriously? You tried to help France and embarrassed yourself. Barely defended your own island. If not for the material help from the US you'd be speaking German yourself. And that was the only time you had to fight in living memory. You have no room to feel smug.

delphiandomine:
Bzibzioh:There is nothing exceptional in the state of Polish army.

Nah, nothing, just a top military prosecutor shooting himself in the cheek for attention. Nothing "exceptional" about that.


The joke about the Polish army didn't steam from this event. So why bring it up? Lacking any relevant argumentation?

Harry:
And if Britain hadn't stood up for its commitments to Poland, and Generalplan Ost existed, today there'd be no Poland and no Poles.


Britain didn't. Get over it. Your attempt to rewrite the history is futile no matter how many times you'd repeat this particular lie.
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 Jan 22, 12, 23:07    #102
Bzibzioh:
And that was the only time you had to fight in living memory. You have no room to feel smug.


Britain's army has fought in four continents including the America's since the 80s. Ain't lost a fight in living memory. So a little bit smug.
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 Jan 22, 12, 23:32    #103
Bzibzioh:
If not for the material help from the US you'd be speaking German yourself.

Doubtful, given that Hitler's own writings show that he considered Britain to be the other natural empire and that the final struggle would be the two great empires versus the international Jewery (i.e. the USA).

Bzibzioh:
And that was the only time you had to fight in living memory.

Probably the most historically inaccurate thing that you've said since your famous comment about most members of the Polish army in the west after WWII being shipped to Canada as slave labour.

Bzibzioh:
Britain didn't. Get over it. Your attempt to rewrite the history is futile no matter how many times you'd repeat this particular lie.

Do feel very free to go into detail about all the ways in which Britain failed to live up to her 1939 treaty obligations to Poland. Alternatively, just go back to your default position and start insulting everybody.

Wroclaw Boy:
Ohh look whos back for the fourth day in a row.

Looks like modding the other place is a really time-consuming affair.
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Edited by: Bzibzioh  Jan 22, 12, 23:33    #104
modafinil:
Britain's army has fought in four continents including the America's since the 80s.

You weren't defending your own tiny island while fighting "the America's since the 80s". Still no reason to feel smug.

Harry:
Probably the most historically inaccurate thing that you've said since your famous comment about most members of the Polish army in the west after WWII being shipped to Canada as slave labour.


It's still accurate. Whether you like it or not.

Harry:
Do feel very free to go into detail about all the ways in which Britain failed to live up to her 1939 treaty obligations to Poland.


We had that discussion many times over. No need to start another one. Plus it would be off topic here.
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 Jan 22, 12, 23:42    #105
Bzibzioh:
It's still accurate. Whether you like it or not

Korea
Malaya
Kenya
Aden
Suez
Borneo
Oman
Falklands
Gulf War I
Sierra Leone
Afghanistan
Gulf II

And that is just off the top of my head.

Do come back the next time you want stupidity pointed out.
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 Jan 22, 12, 23:43    #106
Bzibzioh:
You weren't defending your own tiny island while fighting "the America's since the 80s".


I'm pretty sure the Falkland's was a defense. No one else is except the Argentinians are stupid enough.
What's size got to do with it? Case in point: Poland is one of the largest countries in Europe, all it's known for is getting battered by anyone who has bothered to have a go. Shameful and that's why its army is the laughing stock of American jokes.
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 Jan 22, 12, 23:48    #107
modafinil:
Poland is one of the largest countries in Europe, all it's known for is getting battered by anyone who has bothered to have a go. Shameful and that's why its army is the laughing stock of American jokes.

Not strictly speaking true: they managed to beat Lithuania (although after the ceasefire had been signed) and then had their way with Czechoslovakia a mere two decades later (albeit with the help of the Nazis) and then again three decades later (albeit with the help of the Soviets).
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Edited by: Bzibzioh  Jan 22, 12, 23:49    #108
modafinil:
What's size got to do with it?

It's not the size I'm talking about. It's about the need to defend your own country, not your overseas colonies.

Harry:
Do come back the next time you want stupidity pointed out.


Do try to get the point first. It will help greatly with your answer making any sens.

modafinil:
Shameful and that's why its army is the laughing stock of American jokes.


By ignorants only. But don't worry: it's not only American's specialty. As represented above.
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 Jan 22, 12, 23:53    #109
Harry:
Not strictly speaking true: they managed to beat Lithuania (although after the ceasefire had been signed) and then had their way with Czechoslovakia a mere two decades later (albeit with the help of the Nazis) and then again three decades later (albeit with the help of the Soviets).


Fair enough. Other than the weird Lithuanian incident they were cannon fodder for bigger players
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 Jan 22, 12, 23:58    #110
modafinil:
Fair enough. Other than the weird Lithuanian incident they were cannon fodder for bigger players


Yeah, lets completely ignore the only country who defeated Soviet Union. It's such inconvenient detail.
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 Jan 23, 12, 00:05    #111
Bzibzioh:
Yeah, lets completely ignore the only country who defeated Soviet Union.

a) That was done with the help of Poland's Ukrainian allies, the same allies who were promptly sold to the USSR when they were no longer needed.
b) Think the Soviet Union won the Cold War do you?
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 Jan 23, 12, 00:11    #112
The topic is wandering. The thread is about Gordon Gee and a remark he made.
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Harry:
a) That was done with the help of Poland's Ukrainian allies,

Barely helpful. It was still clear Poland's win.

Harry:
b) Think the Soviet Union won the Cold War do you?


You have no choice but to extend the time frame. As you know perfectly well that this Polish army joke steams from WW2 period.

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Bzibzioh:
Barely helpful. It was still clear Poland's win.

OK, minimise the role which your allies played: that will no doubt help to lessen the guilt which you should feel about how the Polish army locked its allies up in internment camps (as you want the glory of the Polish army, you also have to take its shame). Could the actions of the Polish army in threatening to shoot its own allies have prompted Gees comment?
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 Jan 23, 12, 00:26    #115
Wroclaw:
The thread is about Gordon Gee and a remark he made.


It is fairly important, as to whether the comment was comparing the poor discipline of the Polish Army in WW2 to his own staff or if it was just the joke was that was referenced. Someone else mentioned the UK army conveniently forgetting that the Polish army was used as a comparison for stupidity and incompetence.
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 Jan 23, 12, 00:49    #116
Harry:
Could the actions of the Polish army in threatening to shoot its own allies have prompted Gees comment?


I have hand it to you, Harry: your ability of inventing stuff on the go, you compare to no one.

Harry:
OK, minimise the role which your allies played: that will no doubt help to lessen the guilt which you should feel about how the Polish army locked its allies up in internment camps


Except they didn't. But I understand that those are your favorite talking points, and there is no way you will miss an opportunity to bring those back into any discussion over here.
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 Jan 23, 12, 00:58    #117
Bzibzioh:
Except they didn't.

Sorry but they did. The internment camps were at places including Łańcut, Aleksandrów Kujawski, Kalisz (Wadowice and Piotrków), Strzałkowo and Szczypiorno.

So back we come to the question: could the actions of the Polish army in threatening to shoot its own allies unless they agreed to be locked in internment camps have prompted Gees' comment?
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Edited by: isthatu2  Jan 23, 12, 02:04    #118
Bzibzioh:
Yeah, lets completely ignore the only country who defeated Soviet Union. It's such inconvenient detail.

If "you" defeated the Soviet Union in the 1920s, can someone please tell me just who was it occupying Poland from 1944 to the 1990s?
Maybe comments like that made by moania/bizibzioh are the reason some Americans have a strange view of Poles?
Does idiocy displayed on internet forums by self profesed patriotic Poles play any part in highly educated men such as this Gee fella still using "Polish jokes" in their reparte?

(as an ad on....didnt this little country,still mostly ,literally in the Stone Age defeat the soviets in a war too,place called Afganistan wasnt it....oh,yeah, the Finns did a pretty good job of kicking Soviet botties too,with about 200 soldiers and a few boy scouts....)
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 Jan 23, 12, 02:43    #119
delphiandomine:
Germany would have beaten Poland into a pulp in WW2 with or without Russia.

Probably true. If Russia didn't invade from the east the struggle might have continued for another 2 weeks or so but Poland would have undoubtedly loss. But Westerplatte, Bzura, or defense of Warsaw where Poles repelled countless attacks proved the Polish soldier fought very well and bravely. The problem was the Germans 10:1 firepower superiority, not sheer guts. France had a bigger army than the Germans and help from the Brits no Russians invading and didn't hold out for much longer than Poland.
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 Jan 23, 12, 02:53    #120
Harry:
Sorry but they did. The internment camps were at places including Łańcut, Aleksandrów Kujawski, Kalisz (Wadowice and Piotrków), Strzałkowo and Szczypiorno.


Even if they existed, and that's big if, what they have to do with the topic of alleged incompetence of Polish Army during WW2?

And since you are really keen on going off topic: did you write this wiki entry about these camps? You know, the one that says lacking any sources and credibility? Doesn't even has the number of alleged prisoners. Tsk tsk Harry, very sloppy job.


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