REFUSED A HOLIDAY VISA TO THE U.S CAUSE IM POLISH

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Edited by: sledz Dec 21, 09, 15:05 #31

Harry:

What a surprise to see you lying again!

But Perry Mason doesnt lie, Im trying to figure his connection with Raymond Burr...lol

Ironass hates everything American, and Im glad they have restrictions on Visas otherwise this country would be attacked like the Poles swarmed into the UK.

If everybody is trying to get out of Poland,what will be left of it????

Muslim counrty by 2050:(

Maybe Poles should stay in Poland and try to make something out of their counrty instead of always running away???

Harry:

No kidding, just lying: precisely what we've come to expect from you Greg.

He whines about the US every chance he gets also,

He actually wanted the US to give him money because were not building the missle base

ROTFL!!!!

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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Dec 21, 09, 15:36 #32

Ironside:

sue them ! It maybe not help you to get a visa but will serve bastard right!

Dont be rediculous

Ironside:

delphiandomine:
s for suing them - suing them for what exactly?
for discrimination based on citizenship

Thats just silly, to be honest the refusal of her B1 visa does seem a bit harsh my Polish wife obtained one in 2003 no problems, but its the immigration officers full right to refuse based on the answers to his questions. Perhaps she said something wrong, maybe she is intending on staying illegally, theres always to sides to a story. There are absolutely no grounds to sue on, if there was think how many millions of other cases would be brought against the US system.

The fact that 100's of thousands of Poles get a visa and then dissapear over there is the main problem.

deeds:

TO GO ON A HOLIDAY TO NEW YORK WITH MY THEN BOYFRIEND

You wrote the above but are listed as a male on your profile.

derek trotterThreads: 12 Posts: 252 Joined: Apr 10, 09 ♂	Dec 21, 09, 15:41 #33
sledz If you dont see polonofobia in USA then you are blind read some from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Polish_sentiment focus more on 'discusion' tab

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Edited by: PlasticPole Dec 21, 09, 15:43 #34

sledz:

Maybe Poles should stay in Poland and try to make something out of their counrty instead of always running away???

How would you like it if you wanted to go someplace, see the world, and then got told "no, you can never leave the country you were born in. We know you want some freedom to move around, but, sorry, it's just not possible". I don't know if you have ever been out of the US. If you have, then you should understand someone else wanting to go to a different country.
Poles have no obligation to stay in Poland any more than Americans have to stay in America. Try telling an American they should stay in the US and make it a better place and you'll get a speech on American values and how we value freedom and choices.
To really understand, you would need someone to tell you you can never leave Illinois. America is a pretty good sized country and we can travel from state to state unimpeded. How would you like it if someone said to you, "We know you want to see Wisconsin, but no. You must stay in Illinois and make it a better place. You are denied." :)

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Dec 21, 09, 16:32 #35

PlasticPole:

How would you like it if you wanted to go someplace, see the world, and then got told "no, you can never leave the country you were born in. We know you want some freedom to move around, but, sorry, it's just not possible". I don't know if you have ever been out of the US. If you have, then you should understand someone else wanting to go to a different country.
Poles have no obligation to stay in Poland any more than Americans have to stay in America.

So you support Poland opening her borders to everybody who wants to visit Poland and to everybody who wants to live in Poland. Nice to know that.

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Dec 21, 09, 16:37 #36

Harry:

So you support Poland opening her borders to everybody who wants to visit Poland and to everybody who wants to live in Poland. Nice to know that.

I don't support any country allowing open immigration because it's bad management. However, US should allow just as many Poles as they do people from other countries, considering, most immigration problems stem from Latin Americans, not Europeans.
Poland, or any other nation, doesn't have to reciprocate. It's up to themselves if they do. It's true that Americans feel like they have an unalienable right to go where they want, though, so it's ironic that one would criticise someone from another country who wants to travel.

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Edited by: sledz Dec 21, 09, 16:42 #37

PlasticPole:

I don't know if you have ever been out of the US. If you have, then you should understand someone else wanting to go to a different country

Ive been to Europe and I wasnt planning on staying there either, are you kidding:)

Why are millions of Poles leaving Poland?
How many Americans really move away out of the country, a very small percentage compared to Poland.

Brits dont need visa because they always return back home, they come visit and go back.

Ive never came across an Illegal Brit looking for a job but Polish and Mexican is a everyday ritual.

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Dec 21, 09, 16:47 #38

sledz:

Why are millions of Poles leaving Poland?
How many Americans really move away out of the country, a very small percentage compared to Poland.

The point is, where I live there are a lot of Latin Americans who come to the state, work, earn money, enjoy life here. Why should they be the only ones? If they can do it, others should be allowed the same luxury. I'm all against discrimination, because I have seen lots of Latinos here, legally, owning businesses and contributing to the community. Others should get the same opportunities as the Latinos.

mafketisThreads: 15 Posts: 1,830 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Dec 21, 09, 16:48 #39
My own opinion is that there's no evidence whatsoever that the US government cares about people overstaying visas (or staying in the US with no visa). On the other hand, consular sections in countries where visas to the US are still required generate revenue and the US doesn't want to give that up and so it makes sure to refuse enough people to justify still requiring visas.

HarryThreads: 59 Posts: 7,996 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂	Dec 21, 09, 16:52 #40
PlasticPole: Others should get the same opportunities as the Latinos. They do: Poles have precisely the same opportunities to emigrate to the USA as people from all Latin American nations.

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Dec 21, 09, 16:55 #41

mafketis:

On the other hand, consular sections in countries where visas to the US are still required generate revenue and the US doesn't want to give that up and so it makes sure to refuse enough people to justify still requiring visas.

It's not that simple. People living in countries where the standard of living is high generally don't wish to move away, so, they might visit the US, but won't be tempted, in droves, to move away from their country, so there might not be a Visa requirement for them.
Other countries are in economic crisis and, literally droves of people move to the US looking for employment, both legally and illegally. These are the countries the US restricts immigration from, because most Americans don't want to pay the medical bills. Sometimes Americans complain and say it's about jobs, but these immigrants typically do jobs Americans hate, like restaraunt business, cleaning, canning fish and farming.
The majority of immigrants are Mexican or Central American, both legally and not, so I don't see what the big deal is.

convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Dec 21, 09, 17:59 #42
apparently, Poland has one of the lowest refusal rates. http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/FY09.pdf It's lower than Norway, Germany, Australia... What is difficult to find, is the overstay rate. Some data from 1999 paints a bleak picture. It's really really hard to find any current data.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Dec 21, 09, 18:01 #43
convex: What is difficult to find, is the overstay rate. Some data from 1999 paints a bleak picture. It's really really hard to find any current data. Because it's BS. There's no reason to treat Poland any different from other countries in this respect.

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Dec 21, 09, 18:54 #44

PlasticPole:

There's no reason to treat Poland any different from other countries in this respect.

The sad thing is that the European Union (despite threats) still won't impose visas on Americans in retailiation for requiring some Schengen members to have visas in return. I suspect if Americans suddenly needed Schengen visas, the game would drastically change.

But I suspect that many Poles would indeed vanish in America if they were allowed in on the visa waiver - let's face it, if you've got rich cousins there who are happy to take you in for a few years so you can make a decent amount of cash, you're going to consider it, aren't you?

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Dec 21, 09, 18:59 #45

delphiandomine:

let's face it, if you've got rich cousins there who are happy to take you in for a few years so you can make a decent amount of cash, you're going to consider it, aren't you?

The thing is, many illegals do just that and there isn't much anyone can do or does about it. They enter illegally and find a "sponsor". So let's just realize that's a fact of life and will happen and find other answers to problems, like creating more jobs.

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Dec 21, 09, 19:15 #46

PlasticPole:

The thing is, many illegals do just that and there isn't much anyone can do or does about it. They enter illegally and find a "sponsor". So let's just realize that's a fact of life and will happen and find other answers to problems, like creating more jobs.

And this is why America is loathe to give visa-free access - if people are guaranteed to vanish, what's the point in giving them the access?

(having said all this, I'm not surprised at the amount of Polish anger over the issue - Poland should *never* have helped America out in wars until her citizens were given access!)

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Dec 21, 09, 19:19 #47
delphiandomine: And this is why America is loathe to give visa-free access - if people are guaranteed to vanish, what's the point in giving them the access? The point is, there's so many latinos here, what does it matter if Poland gets access? It will mainly be Latinos who move here, just like it is now.

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Edited by: krysia Dec 21, 09, 20:38 #48

deeds:

I WAS VERY UP SET

Thank all the Poles who got visas and didn't return to Poland like they're suppose to. They are the one who did it. Not America. AMERICA IS ALSO UPSET BECAUSE THE POLES DO NOT FOLLOW THE RULES.
Duh....

PlasticPole:

The point is, where I live there are a lot of Latin Americans who come to the state, work, earn money, enjoy life here. Why should they be the only ones? If they can do it, others should be allowed the same luxury

The point is that they are here illegally.

Lodz_The_Boat:

This is why VISA system should be over. And we as Poles should begin ... Europe should follow. We must remove visa system for everyone entering our countries for atleast 90 days to begin with. Every country.

And Poles will return to Poland??

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Dec 21, 09, 21:55 #49

PlasticPole:

Because it's BS. There's no reason to treat Poland any different from other countries in this respect.

That's probably the only reason to base not granting visas. The rejection rate shouldn't play a part because it doesn't really paint a picture of if people are breaking the law. The overstay rate on the other hand should be the core criteria of whether to allow visa free travel.

Personally, I think the process is a sham. It's a huge inconvenience. On the other hand, Poles should be given preference for legal immigration. Poles wouldn't be in this situation if they would just follow the rules. The people that decide to break the law screw it up for everyone. Poland would have a bit more leverage if it didn't decide to outsource immigration policy by signing up for Schengen agreement. Brazil for instance has a fully reciprocal visa agreement. If a visa is required for a Brazilian to visit a country, then they require a visa as well. If the country requires fingerprints, Brazil requires fingerprints. Good stuff.

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Dec 21, 09, 22:07 #50

krysia:

Thank all the Poles who got visas and didn't return to Poland like they're suppose to. They are the one who did it. Not America. AMERICA IS ALSO UPSET BECAUSE THE POLES DO NOT FOLLOW THE RULES.

Do you have any clear evidence (beyond some public lip service) that the US is really upset because some Poles overstay their visa? With every politician in the country clamoring for amnesty for people who never had a visa in the first place? With the cheap labor uber alles mentality of American business?

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06 ♂	Dec 22, 09, 00:12 #51
mafketis: With every politician in the country clamoring for amnesty for people Every politician??? I can tell you dont live here:) There are a handfull at best. The worse the economy gets the more pressure there is to get the Illegals out!!

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Dec 22, 09, 01:21 #52
krysia: The point is that they are here illegally. But they aren't the only ones. What about all the other illegals?

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Dec 22, 09, 01:28 #53

Harry:

What a surprise to see you lying again!

I really would like you to meet you in person.

Harry:

Whether a nation is permitted entry to the visa waiver program is based on the percentage of applications for a visa which are refused.

That what I'm saying Hairy, it is mambo-jumbo, those refusals are based on probability but there no way of knowing who will overstay visa and who will not - its a poor joke for which applicant have to pay 100$.

Harry:

Of course they do. All passports are scanned on the way in and again on the way out. Cross reference that with visa info and you have the list of people who overstayed and their nationalities.

Where are those stats? Produce them or hold your serpent's tool behind your denture.

sledz:

Ironass hates everything American, and Im glad they have restrictions on Visas otherwise this country would be attacked like the Poles swarmed into the UK.

Sir Ironside hates only stupid little fishy cvnts like you.
As to attacking "this" country I find your statement laughable.

Wroclaw Boy:

The fact that 100's of thousands of Poles get a visa and then dissapear over there is the main problem.

The main problem is that 100s of 1000s of Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians, Hungarians, Czech and other Europeans including Brits overstay their visit to US and only Poles needs visa.
Sweet lades and wise gentleman's will do good to remember about 10s of millions Latin Americans entering US without a visa.
Why oh why everybody fear Poles and blames them for their own shortcomings?

sledz:

Ive never came across an Illegal Brit looking for a job

Does it means there are none? you are even more dumb then I thought!

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Edited by: sledz Dec 22, 09, 01:54 #54

Ironside:

Does it means there are none? you are even more dumb then I thought

Im sure they would behave more respectfully from the Brits Ive met compared to what Ive seen by the Polish.

I have homeless Poles drinking wodka and passing out in my alley and going through the garbage cans all the time.

I seen some Illegal Poles congregating around a garbage can fire today,,, cozy huh?

They should of stayed in Poland or go use up the UK,

When the Limeys joined the EU that was the best gift they ever gave us:)
And the Brits dont even know it....lol

Ironside:

Sir Ironside hates only stupid little fishy cvnts like you.
As to attacking "this" country I find your statement laughable

Ironside wasnt a bigot first of all, and you claming his name is totally pathetic...lol

Now thats laughable:)

Kuuunt!

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Edited by: Ironside Dec 22, 09, 02:02 #55
sledz: bigot first of all, I'm not a bigot, you are..... You do not debate, you present your opinions and nothing else. If what you claims is true and you are surrounded by dissolute Poles its has nothing to do with visa issue. Which make you bigot and cvnt!cvn! sure kiss British asses, you miserable bigot

convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Dec 22, 09, 02:06 #56
Ironside: Where are those stats? that's the thing, where are the statistics? Anyone find decent statistics? US-VISIT stats don't seem to be online anywhere...

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Dec 22, 09, 02:18 #57

Ironside:

You do not debate, you present your opinions and nothing else.

Theres nothing to debate, its just a fact Poles dont get Visas because they dont honor thier attentions and skip out on returning back home.

Ironside:

If what you claims is true and you are surrounded by dissolute Poles its has nothing to do with visa issue.

It has everything to do with it stupid!!!

They come here thinking they can find work and wind up pissing in an alley!

We didnt join the EU so we should be able to deicide who we want to let in or not.

Ironside:

sure kiss British asses, you miserable bigot

Im not a limey lover but have to admit they act more respectfully than alot of Poles Ive seen come to America.

Im glad for the restrictions and hope it pi$$es you off...... Ironass!!!!!!!

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Dec 22, 09, 02:40 #58

Ironside:

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You take it too personally, man. It's nothing against Poles. Look at Zbigniew Brzezinski.. you think he's been discriminated against? No, he's a Pole immigrant and has sat on our National Security Councils. Republican and Democrat.

The British get deported all the time , so do the Irish. We have no jobs for our own people right now. It will be a bad situation for the next 3 - 4 years at least. This is capitalism. You have to be tough and wait for the good times to return. They always do

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Edited by: Ironside Dec 22, 09, 02:43 #59

sledz:

Theres nothing to debate, its just a fact Poles dont get Visas because they dont honor thier attentions and skip out on returning back home.

Thats its for you to proof because I'm challenging that myth!
There nationals of others country's who also overstay they visit in US, nevertheless they do not need a visa to enter the country.
If indeed Poles are so bad why nobody is willing to produce stats to shut me up?
I say because said stats do not exist and all our talk its only speculation or they shows that in fact Poles are not that bad!

sledz:

hey come here thinking they can find work and wind up pissing in an alley!

so what? everywhere are morons in your country they have you.

sledz:

We didnt join the EU so we should be able to deicide who we want to let in or not.

yeah? you are not very successful, sure concentrate on Poles.

sledz:

Im glad for the restrictions

bigot

scrappy
Well, maybe .....but sure like hell its looks that way!

And I'm thinking about tourists, as for illegals kick them out by all means...but all not only Poles!

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Dec 22, 09, 10:39 #60

sledz:

Every politician???
I can tell you dont live here:)
There are a handfull at best. The worse the economy gets the more pressure there is to get the Illegals out!!

No, I no longer live there, probably never will again. And it wasn't till I began living outside the US that I began to understand certain things about US policy.

Can you name me some mainstream politicians (like any of the presidential candidates last time around) who were in favor of limiting immigration? Against amnesty?

You're talking about popular sentiment among the population. But almost no politician with national aspirations will publicaly deviate from the common dem-rep line that unlimited immigration is a priority and that enforcement is more about plausible deniability rather than any concern for maintaining border integrity.

Earlier this year, there were worries about a a fvcking plague from Mexico and they _still_ refused to think of closing the border. It doesn't get much clearer than that where priorities lie.

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