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Should I? I am considering a move to Poland from the USA.

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  ♂ Edited by: Administrator  Jul 6, 2010, 08:56pm  #

Czesc!

I was born in the USA, but have always considered myself Polish. I am now 45 years old and I am considering a move to Poland. I was there as a child and, have always felt that I belong in Poland. I have relatives that visit my mother and I in the USA, one regularly. When I know he is coming, I think of life in Poland. I realize that Poland is not the fairy tale land that I picture, I am realistic and need answers from Poles that are not family. I can speak what I consider basic Polish and have all my life. My first language was Polish, even though I was born in the USA. I worked up until a year ago when I started the process of Social Security Disability in the USA. I was considered a "workaholic" and that is part of my "illness" . If I decide to 'Retire" , my dream would be to live the rest of my life in Poland ! I would receive approximately 1500 USD per month for my retirement here in the USA. If I moved to Poland would my SS (Social Security) be enough to survive? Would I be taxed ? I was an IT Manager for years , but, would NEVER work in that field again! I am taking a TEFL course as a base for what I would love to do ... live in Poland and teach English. I am far from wealthy and would have to sell my home here ( not that much, approximately 300,000 Zl.) in order to move. I take care of my mother, which is not easy,but, I am thankful for every day I have with her. She would also move with me. I speak Polish rather well ( according to my cousins) but I would need to improve my writing skills greatly. I can read Polish but somewhat slowly at times :) .

Is this a dream, or a possiblility? I hope that the country I have always dreamed of living in, could become a reality! I am the first generation to be born in the USA so I hope that I would be excepted by the Polish people and regarded as a person with a "true" Polish heart and soul.

I am very interested in everyones input and responses. If you have read this far...dziękuję !

I will always have a love of Poland in my heart!



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RysiekK:
I was born in the USA, but have always considered myself Polish. I am now 45 years old and I am considering a move to Poland. I was there as a child and, have always felt that I belong in Poland. I have relatives that visit my mother and I in the USA, one regularly. When I know he is coming, I think of life in Poland. I realize that Poland is not the fairy tale land that I picture, I am realistic and need answers from Poles that are not family. I can speak what I consider basic Polish and have all my life. My first language was Polish, even though I was born in the USA. I worked up until a year ago when I started the process of Social Security Disability in the USA. I was considered a "workaholic" and that is part of my "illness" . If I decide to 'Retire" , my dream would be to live the rest of my life in Poland ! I would receive approximately 1500 USD per month for my retirement here in the USA. If I moved to Poland would my SS (Social Security) be enough to survive? Would I be taxed ? I was an IT Manager for years , but, would NEVER work in that field again! I am taking a TEFL course as a base for what I would love to do ... live in Poland and teach English. I am far from wealthy and would have to sell my home here ( not that much, approximately 300,000 Zl.) in order to move. I take care of my mother, which is not easy,but, I am thankful for every day I have with her. She would also move with me. I speak Polish rather well ( according to my cousins) but I would need to improve my writing skills greatly. I can read Polish but somewhat slowly at times :) .

Is this a dream, or a possiblility? I hope that the country I have always dreamed of living in, could become a reality! I am the first generation to be born in the USA so I hope that I would be excepted by the Polish people and regarded as a person with a "true" Polish heart and soul.

I am very interested in everyones input and responses. If you have read this far...dziękuję !

I will always have a love of Poland in my heart!


Considering a fair few Brits have moved there with not very much and managed, you are streets ahead, you have the language and enough to purchased a small property and have an income coming in.

Go for it.


dcchris Threads: 11
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  ♂ Jul 6, 2010, 09:21pm  #

First just come here and see if you like it before making a big move. Common sense. Secondly Polish people WILL NOT consider you Polish or having a pure Polish heart or whatever imo. You are American with Polish roots. That isn't saying that they will not be nice to you but you will not be considered Polish. If you get your citizenship then ok maybe but since you are not born here... So before selling the farm and shipping it all over here take a test run and see how it goes would be my advice. As well with American pp it isn't easy to stay here in the Schengen so u would have to get your Polish PP to stay longterm hassle free. A lot of Americans find it difficult to live here.


alexw68   Edited by: alexw68  Jul 6, 2010, 09:29pm  #

Seconded.

If you've got an income and some capital from a house sale from the start, that's going to offset any risk you might have with costs of care or basic subsistence. $1500 equates to around PLN 4,900 per month - you might not save a lot of that but it's net income (if earned in the States & taxed there, that should ensure no double taxation here - it certainly will while you're not yet earning in PL) and you could for sure live on that amount, if duties of care made work in any capacity impossible.

As you surmise, knowing Polish from the start will open you many doors.

I moved here (OK, not for the first time) this year at age 41 and it's been a great time to date. No-one bloody replies to my adverts for jazz guitar players, but we'll just have to live with that... :)

Do you have an area of Poland in mind?

Best, A


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  ♂ Jul 6, 2010, 09:38pm  #

RysiekK:
Is this a dream, or a possiblility?

Its definitely a posibility Rysiek, my advice is for a recon first, if you're looking for a job Warsaw is the place to be.


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RysiekK:
Would I be taxed ?

by US government, yes.

RysiekK:
I am the first generation to be born in the USA so I hope that I would be excepted by the Polish people and regarded as a person with a "true" Polish heart and soul.

by the looks of things here, i highly doubt it.., i am polish and born in PL but otherwise in similar situation and i am constantly attacked by my arsehole brethren as not being polish..

dcchris:
First just come here and see if you like it before making a big move. Common sense.

yup and as you said PL is not how you imagine it.. it's much harder life then what you are used to in the US.. much more expensive, much less room.. there many differences..

dcchris:
Secondly Polish people WILL NOT consider you Polish or having a pure Polish heart or whatever imo. You are American with Polish roots. That isn't saying that they will not be nice to you but you will not be considered Polish. If you get your citizenship then ok maybe but since you are not born here...

see? and even if you become PL citizen it still would be a stretch for most that you're actually Polish..

alexw68:
but it's net income

that is before taxes, i am sure..


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  ♂ Jul 6, 2010, 10:38pm  #

Rysiekk - I strongly disagree with the opinions expressed here that you would never be considered Polish by heart and soul. I know a guy from Nigeria who live in my home town (Toruń - I reccomend). After he finished his university studies he decided to stay. He speak Polish with very funny accent, and he is welll... black, but everyone consider him a 100% Polish.
Being a "true Polish" is a tricky matter. It's hard to explain, really. It's not even matter of language or a place you've been born. Or who are your parents. It's a choice. As you said yourself - this is a matter of heart and soul.

As others said - 1500USD a month and a money from selling your house shall give you rather comfortable landing. My advice - go to Poland first before you decide any permanent move. Stay for month or two. Live here. Make friends. Live a life of a Polish - try it.
I feel in duty to warn you. Poland has changed. It's not like in your mother's story any more. For you - born and accustomed with the American way of life - some aspect of life in Poland may be annoying or even unbearable on the long time.
Give yourself a "test drive" with Poland and see yourself if you like it.

The cities I recommend to consider are: Toruń (for me the best in the world), Poznań, Wrocław, Gdańsk. Smaller towns: Piła, Kołobrzeg, Tuchola.

Good luck!


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  ♂ Jul 6, 2010, 11:21pm  #

Travel to Poland, and spend a few weeks there. Then you will know if it feels like the right thing to do.


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  ♂ :-( Jul 6, 2010, 11:38pm  #

RysiekK:
If I moved to Poland would my SS (Social Security) be enough to survive? Would I be taxed ?


I'm almost certain that you'll be taxed on at least some of that amount. Obviously, you'll receive credit for taxes paid in the United States - but Poland starts taxing people at a ridiculously low amount.

Also, 4500PLN or so might be good money right now, but salaries are increasing dramatically. Of course, it depends where you live - if you're happy living in the countryside, about 50 miles or so from a major city, then you will be able to live well.

Something I don't understand - how can you be fit to teach and yet draw a pension from the US Government?


Spaceman77 Threads: 3
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  ♂ Jul 7, 2010, 12:33am  #

Go for it man!
You are polish no matter what. (Just get it on paper so that you can get your polish passport).

You'll love Poland.


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  ♂ Jul 7, 2010, 12:46am  #

RysiekK, you are truly a tough case.... After having read your post I think you need to see a shrink. And pls do not think I am demeaning you in any way. It just seems like you are running away from the only real life you know. Reconsider! Think it over..... Nothing wrong with moving to PL, many people have done that. I just sense you are not ready for that.


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  ♂ Edited by: jwojcie  Jul 7, 2010, 12:57am  #

1500 USD for you and your mother with cash from the house probably would be fine. But long term you will always risk currency floats. Now it is closer to 5000 zł but not so long ago it was closer to 3000 zł.

The biggest risk I see in your move is health care. I understand you want bring your mother with you. I don't know exactly but I suppose neither of you is entitled to free polish healthcare after retirement. I suppose you will have to pay for it from those 1500 USD. My advice to you is check exactly what will be the cost of that.

As for other, not money concerned things. Either you will get lucky and make friends or not. Country of your choice has nothing to do with that...


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jwojcie:
1500 USD

after US taxes that's probably closer to 1000 if he has any other income..

jwojcie:
Country of your choice has nothing to do with that...

maybe but I think Poles are less accepting, in general, so choosing PL is definitely a hard place and i think harder then most of other EU countries.


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  ♂ Jul 7, 2010, 01:12am  #

plk123:
maybe but I think Poles are less accepting, in general

So I must assume you are one of those not lucky ones... Because I don't believe you have any valid statistical data about that ;-)

plk123:
so choosing PL is definitely a hard place and i think harder then most of other EU countries.

With that I can agree :-)


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jwojcie:

So I must assume you are one of those not lucky ones... Because I don't believe you have any valid statistical data about that ;-)

just read through these here forums.. it's rather plain to see..


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jwojcie:
My advice to you is check exactly what will be the cost of that.


Pricey for someone who is at least 60, I would guess?


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  ♂ Edited by: jwojcie  Jul 7, 2010, 01:23am  #

plk123:
just read through these here forums.. it's rather plain to see..

It were already said in other threads that most of users of that forums are:
- non Poles interested in Poland
- non Poles not interested in Poland
- people with Polish roots living abroad

Natives are small minority here. If you take into account that some of regular users are really weird... Well, assuming anything from this forum about Poland is not very good idea. It not makes your general judgments wrong, it just make them lucky if they are right :-)

Frankly speaking most of threads in that forums are pure disgrace and moderation here is next to none. The thing is that they have good domain and many foreigners drop by here thinking that it is "Polish" forum when in fact it isn't...


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jwojcie:
most of threads in this forum are pure disgrace

i agree

jwojcie:
It were already said in other threads that most of users of this forum are:
- non Poles interested in Poland
- non Poles not interested in Poland
- people with Polish roots living abroad

but i am talking about Poles living in PL and posting here.. maybe the rudest and least accepting bunch of all.


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  ♂ Edited by: jwojcie  Jul 7, 2010, 01:38am  #

plk123:
but i am talking about Poles living in PL and posting here.. maybe the rudest and least accepting bunch of all.


Ok, now I feel personally offended ;-)
To end this off top (I think I've already crossed the line with mods...)...
The single most rudest and least accepting bunch in society I know would be the youth, everywhere ;-) It happens that this group in Poland knows English the best... Usually they are also the best trolls of all ;-)


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hey, i didn't say you; you seem nice enough... :) but most on here and maybe you're right about the young punks.. that may be the case here...


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jwojcie:
The thing is that they have good domain


:)


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  ♂ Jul 7, 2010, 07:06am  #

Move to Poland, if you don't you'll always regret it. If it works out great, if it doesn't you'll learn to appreciate where you're from. You could always go back. Just expect to spend a bit of cash. Every time I've moved it cost me money. If you can afford it, I'd keep my house in the States and wait to see if a permanent move to Poland is what you really want.


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  ♂ Jul 7, 2010, 11:25am  #

Hi Rysiek,

A lot of what has been written is very true.

The fact that you can speak the language, and have an income stream as well as funds from the sale of your US property puts you in quite a good starting position.

However ....

dcchris:
Secondly Polish people WILL NOT consider you Polish or having a pure Polish heart or whatever imo. You are American with Polish roots


I have to diasagree on this comment; I am in a similar position to yourself, in that I was born in England of Polish parents - first generation born in England.

Apart from spending many holidays as a child in Poland, I have frequently been travelling to Poland for the last 10 -11 years (I am now 47yrs young!), business and pleasure, and the native Poles I meet have always considered me as Polish. On first meeting them they think I was born in Poland, probably because I speak Polish fluently and are very surprised that I was born in London and have never lived in Poland.
Being brought up in England by Polish parents /grandparents has definitely instilled the 'Polishness' in me , and we try to maintain the Polish traditions and culture.

English friends who enter our London home are aware they are entering a Polish household.
It also helps that my wife is a native Pole, and both our children (aged 8 & 6 yrs old) can speak English and Polish fluently.

dcchris:
That isn't saying that they will not be nice to you but you will not be considered Polish. If you get your citizenship then ok maybe but since you are not born here


I don't have Polish citizenship and I was not born in Poland, yet I consider myself more Polish than English; my wife and many people I come into contact with from Poland see me as Polish, but being born and living in England :o)

I have friends who have a very similar background to me, who moved over to Poland and lead very good lives, and have been acepted as 'true Poles'; they sold up in UK over 10 years ago, some even 20 yrs ago .... married Polish girls and live very happily over there. Quite a few make a good living from teaching English as native speakers, even without any TEFL or certificates to teach English as a foreign language.

My wife and I are waiting for our oldest child to finsish primary school and then we plan to sell up and move over to Poland permanently - we'll see what happens :o))

RysiekK:
Is this a dream, or a possiblility? I hope that the country I have always dreamed of living in, could become a reality! I am the first generation to be born in the USA so I hope that I would be excepted by the Polish people and regarded as a person with a "true" Polish heart and soul.


You'll never know unless you give it a go ..... but be realistic and don't expect a 'fairytale ending' - making such a transition will not be easy. Maybe going to Poland and living there for a year before selling up in US could be the best option. Also take into account your mum .... her healthcare and other needs etc.

Feel free to PM if you wish to talk at greater lengths - I see many similarities with your situation and mine - where in Poland do you plan to move to ?

Good Luck !!


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  ♂ Jul 7, 2010, 01:36pm  #

If it is in your heart and you could put some practical steps into place, why not? Poland has been on the up for some time now and all it needs is a bit of luck in finding a job befitting of your experience.

However, a small caveat. Beware of discussing religion. Although I really agree with the following speaker (very well known to Brits), I would never raise these issues with students as to do so would be to inflame and potentially jeopardise a good relationship. Besides, schools don't encourage it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL5WVecNdhk, Stephen Fry on Catholicism.

I'm off to watch the rest. Good luck and follow your dreams!


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  ♂ Edited by: cinek  Jul 7, 2010, 01:36pm  #

Sokrates:
if you're looking for a job Warsaw is the place to be

I dont think Warszawa is a good place to move to spend the rest of your life after retirement. Big, noisy, smelly, jammed, difficult to drive (especially for someone used to American streets) and EXPENSIVE (belive me, your 300000 zł. won't be enough to find anything good to live in there unless 50km from the city center).

enkidu:
The cities I recommend to consider are: Toruń (for me the best in the world), Poznań, Wrocław, Gdańsk. Smaller towns: Piła, Kołobrzeg, Tuchola.


I agree. And there are also English lang schools there, so shouldn't be a big problem to find a job, and you'll be able to buy a decent flat or even a small house.

As the others, I recommend you to rent out your current house out (so you can pay for your living in Poland) for a few months, e.g. one school year, and give it a try.

Cinek


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  ♂ Jul 7, 2010, 04:03pm  #

Thanks to all that replied!

Please keep any advice/comments coming! Since there are so many posts :) I will just answer a few questions without quoting anyone.

The 1500 USD are after taxes.

If my health should improve I would like to teach English.

I am thinking of going to Poland for a few weeks,probably in November. My cousin is coming back in October and I may just return with him :)

The comment of " It's not my mother's Poland anymore" or something to that affect... My mother lived through WWII as a child, until she came to the USA in 1961 or 1962. I don't think I would want to live through her experiences. She has told me stories that are just horrible! But she also told me stories that would warm one's heart :)

Thank you to all that have replied!


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  ♂ Jul 7, 2010, 05:07pm  #

Hi RysiekK
After having made harder decision than yours and moved to Poland 2 years ago with less money than what you have my answer to your question is simple JUST DO IT MAN Poland is a beautiful place to be and you won’t have a problem to live with $1500 and 300,000PLN for a starter. You know what is the worst that can happen “Nothing” absolutely nothing can happen everyone can survive the harshest conditions of life people come from Africa to Europe by boats and if they land safely they just go on with life so what are you afraid of do you know what is worse than coming to Poland ; it’s being 65 years old in the USA and remembering that you missed all the adventure and excitement that you could have had if took the plunge and came to Europe. I did just that and I don't regret it.


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Yes, you should go, have fun, immerse yourself in the language and culture!


haski   Sep 16, 2010, 11:45am  #

If your disability is due to emotional problems than yes your move might make sense but other challanges without health insurance I do not know ..... polish social security( zus ) will ask for their part from your social security ( about 40%) and that will gave you health insurance.
Health system is nothing to compare to US keep it in mind It is simply poor...


cnmp1412   Mar 20, 2011, 11:10pm  #

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