Texas can leave the union if it wants to...

pgtxThreads: 48 Posts: 6,268 Joined: Feb 14, 09 ♀ [Moderator]	Apr 17, 09, 18:07 #1
could Texas become an independent republic? "My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that." - Perry in English in Polish what do you think?

Wahldo	Apr 17, 09, 18:13 #2
pgtx: could Texas become an independent republic? Another genius.. ever heard of the civil war? It's illegal to leave the union.

mafketisThreads: 15 Posts: 1,830 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Apr 17, 09, 18:17 #3
Wahldo: It's illegal to leave the union. Then the union is tyranny.

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Apr 17, 09, 18:20 #4

It's illegal to leave the union but Texans must be pretty upset. I am beginning to wonder if America will become somewhat fractured in the future. Texas and places in the south and central US aren't much like places to the north. For one thing, there's two different economies involved. In Texas it's mostly about oil. They want the price of oil to stay high while taxes are really low. That's Big Tex's way of doing business ;)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 17, 09, 18:41 #5
At a time when certain forces are trying to unite Mexico, the US and Canada, I'd doubt it. So, Texas will join forces with Mexico, patch up its differences with the other States and rejoin. I don't buy this but apparently some people are pushing for it.

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Edited by: HatefulBunch397 Apr 17, 09, 18:46 #6

I don't know if Mexico or Canada wants to unite with the US, Seanus. Texas would not go with Mexico. What they want is their own successionist state followed by like minded beurocracies who want low taxes and high oil prices. They want to supply their own state with cheap oil. They want virtually no taxation. They want the right to bear arms and they definitely, as far as I know, do not want to be part of Mexico. They would rather put a wall between the borders to keep illegal immigrants out.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 17, 09, 18:49 #7
It's not always a question of want though and that's the problem. Not many wanted to go into Iraq but other people decided that. They want a utopia, go find an island somewhere.

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Edited by: HatefulBunch397 Apr 17, 09, 18:52 #8

Seanus:

They want a utopia, go find an island somewhere.

I think some of them would rather be an island. They think the US is selling out to China and Islam while overtaxing Americans. My guess is they are wanting protectionist policies and Obama is against that.
They are also upset because these corporations are getting massive bail outs while the average American gets nothing but a lousy economy. When a small business fails, no one is there to "bail it out" there is no special fund the government has for them to fall back on. So, naturally, people are resentful. I still think the US should start with the citizen and let the money work it's way up to the corporate fat cats. Let us decide where the money goes and who we want to be bailed out.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 17, 09, 18:54 #9
America needs to be together more than ever and playing poor me isn't gonna solve that. So what? The other States don't feel hard done by either? Many Americans let certain things happen which I'm surprised about, e.g the Patriot Act. I'm glad that they are finally batting back.

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Edited by: HatefulBunch397 Apr 17, 09, 19:01 #10

Other states are whining too. We had a Tea Party day and lots of people protested across the US. I tend to agree with them. Right now the government is pretty much screwing everyone over with these bailouts. Banks are charging higher interest rates for credit cards issued to people who pay more than the minimum amount and on time. Usually the higher rate is reserved for those with lousy credit but the banks are trying to make up the money they owe on the bail outs and they are passing it on to people who are in no way responsible for the credit problem.
Basically, the average citizen is getting screwed, in both the US and Europe and other G20 countries.
When they start giving the people who really deserve the bailouts: us, the real economic recovery will begin.

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Edited by: Mattewoflv Apr 19, 09, 07:52 #11

Wahldo:

Another genius.. ever heard of the civil war? It's illegal to leave the union.

Buddy read Texas' and other states constitutional Rights.

If Texas deems necessary they have the full right to succeed. It is NOT illegal for them to do that because when texas joined the union back in the past they made sure they did not give up their rights to fall back from the union.

Its not only texas its the whole confederacy!

Its their right to self-preservation if they deem it necessary to fall back from a Union which could potentionally harm them.

If they feel that the Union is doing wrong than geuss what? Texas has the right to leave, just as the people of America have the right to overthrow Obama, THROW him in jail as well as all the liberals in power.

Don't Believe me? Read the Declaration of Independence and enlighten yourself on what can happen if the Liberals push their messed up values.

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Edited by: sledz Apr 19, 09, 08:22 #12

pgtx:

Texas can leave the union if it wants to...

Where are they going to go too??
They cant even afford to feed all the homeless in that ghetto city of Houston??

Theyre broke like every State, I say good riddance Rednecks,they dont bring nothing to the plate anymore?

I dont like driving down a hi-way named after Bush anyways.. its a wasteland give it to the Mexicans..Hahaha

Ok Ill be serious, there are alot of nice places in Texas

http://springbreak.sopadre.com/main/index.php

all the kids have fun down there:)

giovannile07Threads: 6 Posts: 41 Joined: Dec 25, 08 ♂	Apr 19, 09, 11:52 #13
I don't believe it's illegal technically, but it is a state of the USA and the US chooses what it wants to do... Anyways, they would be considered separatists I guess and another war would probably happen to keep Texas if Texas matters so much to the US, but who knows...

Wahldo

Apr 19, 09, 13:06 #14

Mattewoflv:

Buddy read Texas' and other states constitutional Rights.

Why in the hell would I read about these cracker jack rights?

Mattewoflv:

Don't Believe me? Read the Declaration of Independence and enlighten yourself on what can happen if the Liberals push their messed up values.

Typical redneck clown.."Duh, liberal this, liberals that." "Duh.. Rush Limbaugh for prezdent" . You want to go so bad.. go. You'll have Marines in your front yard for a couple of years.

I'm with Sledz, what do you even bring to the table? Oh yeah, you gave us 8 years of Bush and Kennedy got killed in one your cities. 2/3rds of you will be Mexican in 20 years anyway. We all know how Mexico looks compared to the US. Nothing says class like your cities stinking of urine on a hot day.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Edited by: z_darius Apr 19, 09, 15:06 #15
Mattewoflv: Read the Declaration of Independence and enlighten yourself on what can happen if the Liberals push their messed up values. A lot of Jesusland people would be happy then:

Wahldo	Apr 19, 09, 15:25 #16
z_darius: Jesusland people Exactly, we'd be lost without that brain trust:

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07 ♂	Edited by: freebird Apr 19, 09, 15:35 #17
pgtx: Texas can leave the union if it wants to... it's a same as if I will ask you if Wales, Scotland or N.I. can separate from UK or Danzig can become a free city again, lol. It won't happen just like Texas will not separate from the US.

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Edited by: osiol Apr 19, 09, 15:58 #18

freebird:

t's a same as if I will ask you if Wales, Scotland or N.I. can separate from UK

There might be some chance of that happening eventually. In this case, it would cause a redefinition of what the UK actually is. Here the monarchy became one before parliament and there are only four countries to deal with, not like the United States, of which there are many more and with a much tidier, more coherent constitution.

We used to hear Bush talk about "rogue states". He wasn't talking about Texas though, but if any of the states were to go the way of the rogue, I suppose Texas might well be the first or most likely. Maybe it already has done. (Different kind of roguishness).

There are more people in Scotland calling for independence than Texans in Texas. I assume there aren't many Gdanskites (better name please) wishing for their city to be independent of the rest of Poland, if any.

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07 ♂	Apr 19, 09, 16:26 #19
osiol: osiol We can talk as long as we want, it still won't happen (at least in the US it won't). As far as Danzig or Gdansk, I guess it depends on where are you from. I've learned the name Danzig (international).

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Apr 19, 09, 17:29 #20
freebird: I've learned the name Danzig (international). It seems more common around here to call it Gdansk. Old names are old names. Tejas, anyone?

lukimp80Threads: 3 Posts: 109 Joined: Dec 1, 08 ♂	Apr 19, 09, 17:51 #21
Does TEXAS really mean it by calling to succeed from the union? I doubt it. But lets not forget the war between the states. It happened before in 1862.. Could it happen again? There have been revolutions before. America is not immune. When people go hungry they can get desperate..

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 666 Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♀	Apr 19, 09, 17:53 #22
lukimp80: succeed secede.....sorry I cant help being pedantic..;)

lukimp80Threads: 3 Posts: 109 Joined: Dec 1, 08 ♂	Apr 19, 09, 17:57 #23
niejestemcapita: secede.....sorry I cant help being pedantic..;) Yeah, but you have to admit. I was close. What more can you expect from a YANK.

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 666 Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♀	Apr 19, 09, 18:00 #24
lukimp80: What more can you expect from a YANK. ha ha ha....;@)

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Apr 19, 09, 18:00 #25

freebird:

It won't happen just

Regarding Scotland becoming independent it could happen and probably sooner than you think. I can't think why Texas would want to leave the union but I guess the decision should be taken by the people, although it seems it just an idea that Rick Perry had, I don't think there's much public backing to it.

Haven't really heard Gdansk referred to as Danzig in present times, only when reading or hearing about it's history.

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Apr 19, 09, 18:04 #26

Its just big talk. the funny thing is for me is that so many people are so up in arms about the situation without realizing how the USA got into the mess. It was created by the Bush administration and big business. The auditers and big business were lying about profits and the feds failed to control them. Secondly, I don't hear anybody talking about any solutions. Just ******** and complaining about what Obama is doing. So what is the solution? Texas is not going to secede. As far as teabaggers some of them are quite funny. Of course they don't think they are funny... [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/17/john-oliver-lectures-tea _n_188116.html][/url]

lukimp80Threads: 3 Posts: 109 Joined: Dec 1, 08 ♂	Apr 19, 09, 18:12 #27
dcchris: So what is the solution? Texas is not going to secede. As far as teabaggers some of them are quite funny. Somehow, I never noticed anything funny about it. What I saw was a lot of disgruntled people. Just remember. What is one countries hero, is another countries terrorist.

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Apr 19, 09, 18:34 #28

lukimp80:

I never noticed anything funny about it. What I saw was a lot of disgruntled people. Just remember. What is one countries hero, is another countries terrorist

Your opinion. I don't see any heroes or terrorists in this equation. Sorry the link didnt seem to work but I thought it was hilarious. That's democracy. People vote and the winner is president. |The "people" spoke and picked Obama. Americans who go around the world promoting their idea of democracy at the point of a gun are now not happy with the process? How ironic...

lukimp80Threads: 3 Posts: 109 Joined: Dec 1, 08 ♂	Edited by: lukimp80 Apr 19, 09, 18:45 #29
Over 50 million did not vote for him. Thats a good start for a grass root movement. If it ever comes to that. He already pissed the veterans off by wanting them to pay for their combat inflicted wounds, now they call the veterans potential terrorist. He is off to a good start

dcchrisThreads: 11 Posts: 687 Joined: Oct 29, 07 ♂	Apr 19, 09, 18:58 #30
lukimp80: they call the veterans potential terrorist hmm does the nameTimothy Mcveigh ring any bells?

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