Seanus: Well, yes they are but that isn't the point. My point was clear, suit-me suit-me ways are not gonna curry favour and, IMHO, makes them look stupid and childish. Would you abandon your long-time business partners if you see that they don't bother much any more, despite your warnings? Of course.
We can discuss whether this particular situation is caused by leadership of Republican party or perhaps this is something more. However, this is matter of interest of citizens. I understand well that they cannot afford socialism.
Wahldo: Well I don't know if you can equate the EU with the US that much in this regard. I know you hate the EU but a state like Texas has gained quite a bit from being in the US. Road construction, schools , huge harbors for shipping. They can't just jump out , jump in like some damn hokey-pokey dance. You don't know but in the same time chose the same line as them (the EU). According to pro-EU crowds this is absolutely impossible to achieve anything decent without the EU. However reality is different and many states outside of the EU or the US already have decent roads and etc. While I think that Texas don't belong to poor states, rather opposite. If so this means that Texan taxpayers in fact sponsor other states, their land would be in better shape if they would invest everything at home. After all budget of central government consist from shares from different states.
Wahldo: Let me put it this way: Ma³opolskie wants to go its own way, how about Lubuskie are you just going to let it happen? You would not object one bit? Yes you would because Poland as whole has invested in those places. Of course Lubuskie would be against such outcome because they consume cash of taxpayers from Maloposkie. Everything depends from their motivation, if reasonable in opposition to central government policy then I could hardly blame them. Sorry but people cannot let politicians to be treated like trash in the name of 'patriotism'.
As far as investments are concentrated, you know this is question of so called 'public property'. Public property is owned by nobody, so nobody cares. Of course if I would be king of Poland and this would be my private property, then I would never let them go.
Wahldo: Well you see they blame Obama for spending this money but offer no counter plan whatsoever. The problem was caused by state interventionism and cannot be solved by state interventionism. Badly managed companies including banks must bankrupt. Obviously neither Democrats or Republicans will subside such companies because this is their political background.
JohnP: It was a war in which propaganda played a huge part, and is even believed today. Many Americans, even, believe that the war was fought over slavery....it wasn't Well said, this confirm my point.
osiol: However, the threat of secession Why threat? Threat to whom?
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