What do the Poles hate and love about the U.S.?

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Edited by: Czyryca Feb 2, 10, 15:27 #151

scrappleton:

work camp in upstate NY fairly soon.

Ill probably see Rip Van Winkle in the Catskills! I think he is still in those camps.

Speaking of Rip Van Winkle, if anyone LOVES Burbon Whiskey, and you can afford it, Pappy's Old Rip Van Winkle 20 year old Burbon is the best tasting Whiskey I have ever had...that is coming from a Scotch guy!

RonWest:

Lake George would be nice

Lake George is beautiful. Was up there this past fall for a wedding. Leaves were turning, bright sunny day. Can't beat that...except for the work camps of course.

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Feb 2, 10, 15:42 #152

Love:

cinema,
fast food,
old timer cars,
good roads and plenty of them to explore,
huge country,
asian women,
black women,
latino women,
salary which allows you to live on your own even if you work as a weitress,
dollars (they look nice),
ability to become from zero to hero (american dream),
shorter education system,
guns for everyone and ability to use them without consequences if defending yourself,

hate:

army,
not granting passes for poland (you think that we are mexicans or what?),
too hard law in some cases,
lame new cars (what happened to that old timers line?),

CzyrycaThreads: 2 Posts: 149 Joined: Jan 25, 10 ♂	Feb 2, 10, 15:49 #153
poland_man: guns for everyone and ability to use them without consequences if defending yourself, Only in Texas! ;)

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Edited by: convex Feb 2, 10, 16:15 #154

Czyryca:

Only in Texas! ;)

and Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia, Washington, and Wyoming. apparently defending yourself can be enjoyed in many states.

CzyrycaThreads: 2 Posts: 149 Joined: Jan 25, 10 ♂	Feb 2, 10, 16:29 #155
convex: Massachusetts Yea right in Massachusetts. Basically if someone breaks into YOUR house and hurts himself, he is likely to sue you and win in Massachusetts. You gotta respect Texas and the Southern states for their laws about protecting yourself. They don't mess around.

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Feb 2, 10, 16:36 #156

Czyryca:

Yea right in Massachusetts. Basically if someone breaks into YOUR house and hurts himself, he is likely to sue you and win in Massachusetts.

Wounding someone is always problematic, lawsuits, court time, ties. If you kill them, you don't have that problem.

Despite being a bit off, MA has a pretty straightforward law regarding protection of the home. Same as the Czech Republic come to think of it...

CzyrycaThreads: 2 Posts: 149 Joined: Jan 25, 10 ♂	Edited by: Czyryca Feb 2, 10, 19:03 #157
convex: pretty straightforward law regarding protection of the home. That is until you actually do something like that and the court sides with the poor criminal. Think woman burning herself on McDonald's coffee and suing McDonald's because the coffee was too hot...

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Feb 2, 10, 21:19 #158

Czyryca:

Only in Texas! ;)

Believe it or not.......liberal Vermont has the best gun laws in the country!!

Czyryca:

ou gotta respect Texas and the Southern states for their laws about protecting yourself. They don't mess around.

That's where I'm heading if the shi* hits the fan. Bringin' my guns too!

poland_man:

old timer cars,

Can't beat them!

Czyryca:

Lake George is beautiful. Was up there this past fall for a wedding. Leaves were turning, bright sunny day. Can't beat that...except for the work camps of course.

Next time you're up that way, wander over into Vermont. It's absolutely gorgeous. Too bad all the liberal lowyas from NY & MA ruined that state. Geographically though, it's beautiful.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♂	Feb 2, 10, 21:28 #159
poland_man: asian women, black women, latino women, Lol, you're a kid in a candy store, hey?

CzyrycaThreads: 2 Posts: 149 Joined: Jan 25, 10 ♂	Feb 2, 10, 21:56 #160
RonWest: Next time you're up that way, wander over into Vermont. It's absolutely gorgeous. Too bad all the liberal lowyas from NY & MA ruined that state. Geographically though, it's beautiful. I am a skier, so while I like Vermont, I have always been more fond of Live Free or Die, New Hampshire, and You Cant Get There from Here, Maine.

RonWestThreads: 3 Posts: 165 Joined: Jan 6, 10 ♂	Feb 2, 10, 23:41 #161
Good choices as well...........but I'm curious, what would be your ultimate choice, Zakopane or the New England States for skiing. What do you love and hate about each, since that is the topic?

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Edited by: f stop Feb 3, 10, 03:54 #162
Zakopane. Tougher for me is: Rockies or Alps?

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Edited by: Torq Feb 3, 10, 08:06 #163

I've never been to USA, but I met quite a few Americans online, read a lot about
the country and its history (and besides it's quite difficult to not know anything
about America these days). So, what I LOVE\HATE about America (or what I think
I would LOVE\HATE if I ever went there).

LOVE list:

1. Baseball - why isn't this game more popular in Europe is beyond me

2. American Literature: Isaac Asimov, Frank Herbert, James Fenimore Cooper (loved
his books when I was a kid), Hemingway, Faulkner, Irving, Kerouac, Twain, Vonnegut,
Steinback - I could go on.

3. Chevrolet 1950 truck

4. Little House on the Prairie - the best TV series ever!

5. Great open spaces, breathtaking nature and people who value their
freedom and judge others by their personal qualities and merits and not
on their country of origin (I hope - but that's the general feeling I got
from the Americans I met online or in Europe).

6. American Gospel music, the simplicity of some Baptist churches and the seriousness
and dedication with which many people approach their Christianity (regardless of the
denomination).

HATE list:

1. Food (I guess from what I've heard from my friends who visited US).

2. hmmm... can't think of anything else at the moment... maybe the American
government with their visas policy (but hate would be too strong a word here)...

... oh yeah! The CyborgBall (some Americans call it "football" for reasons absolutely
incomprehensible to me) - I hate that game. Why don't all those sorry feckers take
out all the cyborg/medieval armor equipment off and play rugby like real men? ;-)

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Feb 3, 10, 08:26 #164

Torq:

1. Baseball - why isn't this game more popular in Europe is beyond me

because staring at a wall is much more exciting. baseball is americas cricket.

Torq:

3. Chevrolet 1950 truck

see, this kind of comment really shows your ignorance. in '51 the pickups got their beautiful chrome.

Torq:

1. Food (I guess from what I've heard from my friends who visited US)

there is good food available, but you have to seek it out. 90% of the stuff is terrible, but there are some real bright spots :)

Torq:

... oh yeah! The CyborgBall (some Americans call it "football" for reasons absolutely
incomprehensible to me) - I hate that game. Why don't all those sorry feckers take
out all the cyborg/medieval armor equipment off and play rugby like real men? ;-)

'merican football is great. it's like strategic rugby with more crunching noises and less teeth embedded in heads :)

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Feb 3, 10, 08:38 #165
convex: see, this kind of comment really shows your ignorance. in '51 the pickups got their beautiful chrome. I don't care about chrome, the 1950 truck is amazing - beautiful, simple and reliable. It can be all rusty and weathered for all I care :) convex: teeth embedded in heads LOL!

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Edited by: Ironside Feb 3, 10, 14:25 #166

scrappleton:

Why wouldn't your government WANT to keep you at home

Its no MY government and they just don't give a shite ....

scrappleton:

after it's PAID for your educations??

its paid for NOTHING, taxes paid for it and much more ..... are you an American, phew?!

scrappleton:

we know you despise us and curiously want access to our country

hey that people despise YOU it comes as no surprise but its doesn't mean that they despise all americans!

scrappleton:

And even more curiously wonder why no one wants you in.

You must be familiar with the feeling, you tell us, or you famous brain haven't it worked out ,yet?

scrappleton:

Yes it seems logical because it is LOGICAL.

it may seems logical to you but as I said it is logical and for the very reason it couldn't has been conceived by Poland's government.
And if there would be such agreement in place, public opinion in Poland would had learned about it long time ago.

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Edited by: Czyryca Feb 3, 10, 15:22 #167

RonWest:

Zakopane or the New England States for skiing.

I have never been to Zakopane. Planning my first trip to Poland this year. My brother and I are taking my Father, he has not been for over 50 years. He still skis, so maybe that is something I need to think about. Poland in Winter, or Spring rather than Spring/Summer.

Torq,
I agree, 1950 Chevy is a great car, doesn't matter what model others like, it is what you like. My father had a 64' Corvette, that was awesome.
Food is great! Just go to good restaurants and not the chains. Tons of fresh fish, best beef in the world! You have to remember that there are all sorts of foods here, because there are all sorts of people here. Baseball is ok, but American Football is the best sport. only 16 games, strategy over power wins out most of the time. Love football.

marcing14Threads: - Posts: 1 Joined: Feb 3, 10 ♂	Edited by: marcing14 Feb 3, 10, 15:27 #168
USA create many films: action, comedy, tv series, etc. I'm from Poland and I watch many american films. The most interest are family films. So I love USA, but I don't speak english very well.

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Feb 3, 10, 15:32 #169

marcing14:

I watch many american films.
The most interest are family films. So I love USA, but I don't speak english very well.

My favorite are Science Fiction. I have been watching a lot of Polish films lately.
Pornografia, The Career of Nikos Dyzma two of my favorites so far. I'm sure those are the translated spellings but if anyone has any suggestions on what Polish films to watch let me know!

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Edited by: Ironside Feb 3, 10, 16:51 #170

FUZZYWICKETS:

The number that counts is the number of people who were given a travel visa, entered the US, and never returned. That IS the argument we are having, is it not? The argument is why Poles aren't given free travel rights to America and specifically why America refuses, no?

Yes!
But debate is unless as long as nobody is able or willing to provide us with data.
To establish that took a few weeks of unnecessary bickering on PF with many fools.

FUZZYWICKETS:

That's where the numbers are generated regarding "risk of not returning". In 2007, Poland from what I understand was over 20%, and in 2008, over 13%. They just lowered the acceptable value to enter the visa waiver program to 3%, which means Poland needs to change their travel habits, and change them fast. Wait until you start following the rules and satisfy the criteria in order to enter the visa waiver program before you start crying "Yankee prejudice!".

anything to back it up or it just pure and simple stipulation on your part!

FUZZYWICKETS:

As for you Ironside, this is directed to you because I'm tired of reading your incoherent babble: someone could post just about anything in favor of your argument, regardless of how inaccurate or unrelated, and as long as it supports your cause, you'd hop up on the soap box and start shouting like a lunatic again. honestly me boy, stop, take a breath,

well, I was trying to goat some of PF member to publicly state their personal reasons for supporting visa requirements for Polish citizens.
Well, I plead guilty to all counts in the light of above explanation except for "incoherent
babble"!

FUZZYWICKETS:

I've met and taught 1,000 of these cookie-cutter America hating 20-something Poles.

I hate to break it to you but NO I don't HATE America and you are a fool for making such unfounded generalization!

FUZZYWICKETS:

I am a firm believer that if you open the doors for Poland to travel freely to the USA, too many people leave to work in America, many of them will not return, and Poland's economy takes an already bigger hit due to skilled/educated people leaving to work elsewhere to find a better life. What happened in England/Ireland wouldn't compare to the exodus of Poles to America. Take away the economic crisis, or turn the clock back 8-10 years and open the USA border to Poland, and you literally have enough people leaving Poland to create a devastating blow to Poland's economy.

Maybe, I think not!
The point is that is not USA government concern or for that matter its motivation!

FUZZYWICKETS:

Ultra-patriotism is a dangerous thing......I see it all too often and it forces you to completely lose touch with reality.

like accusing anyone that is criticizing something about USA - of hate ???

krysiaI let you off the hook, I think you know why you do it.......

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Feb 3, 10, 21:09 #171

FUZZYWICKETS:

The number that counts is the number of people who were given a travel visa, entered the US, and never returned.

All unauthorized immigrants from Poland arrive in US with temporary visas, so in theory 100% of those that did not leave within given time frame result in visa overstay. The question raised here to which no one seems to have an answer is how are those numbers formulated? The answer might surprise many of you; it’s not based on real data collected upon entry and departures for each individual and country of origin but rather on DHS estimates. I.E. The estimate of overstays for the year 2000 is based on two sources; data on the total illegal population in US (this document is an estimate in itself) as of January 2000 and the data on what percentage of immigrants from each country are overstays (also an estimate) based on collection of I-94 forms to see who actually left the country. This system however was faulty because the bottom portion of I-94 which in theory was supposed to be recorded upon departure of an individual and compared to the top portion filled out upon arrival was sporadically collected recorded or not at all. Bureaucrats’ simply have no reliable statistics on who left the country prior to implementation of US-VISIT program.

To fix the problem with data collection INS lunched a pilot project to study why departure forms (I-94) were not being collected but were needed for comparison to come up with an accurate number of overstays just after 9/11, which in turn was scrapped in 2002 because it was not yielding desired results and excluded two major groups entering US. The Canadians admitted for up to 6 months and Mexicans entering US on border crossing cards who were exempt from filling those forms. In the post 9/11 world, out of the concern that the terrorists could also enter the US through one of the countries participating in Visa Waiver program, Canada or Mexico INS implemented an automated entry-exit system, which is now part of DHS’s US-VISIT program and is supposed to address the problems associated with the old data collection system. If successful this could finally help identify overstays accurately. I personally have not seen any report on how this program works so far.

However US-VISIT program is only a part of the equation for estimating overstays. Due to the security concerns of the potential sleeper cells that might be part of the illegal immigrants community already in US this group is also figured in the equation of overstays because they might be able to obtain jobs and security badges with fraudulent identity documents. However these are just that, the estimates. This makes perfect sense for the statistics on Poles who overstayed their visa dropping but not in the numbers desired to qualify for Visa Waiver program because of the way it is estimated based on the estimates and for that reason it never will be resolved till the legal status of those already in the country is resolved. Most of those who enter US during the mid to late 80’s and early 90’s, started a new life there, family and are caught in limbo because of the lack of comprehensive immigration reform. No way for them to legalize their stay. Unresolved status = illegal immigrant = visa overstay. Then again many of those already moved on to Canada and other countries where they could have resolve their immigrant status once and for all with relative ease compared to US. Once again these numbers are not reflected in the estimate of the illegal immigrants for a simple reason that the authorities just have no way of knowing who left. Even if none of Poles did overstayed their visa in recent years, the number would still be high due to the numbers of those who arrived in the US and the assumption made that all of them stayed due to the lack of evidence to the contrary, prior to the implementation of US-VISIT program. No I-94 form that would show they left for Canada Poland or any other country for that matter. This entire argument is moot, there’s simply no such thing as Statistics for Visa Overstay that reflects reality as it is as long as the estimate of the illegal immigrant community is part of that equation.

You might say that US security concerns as well as paranoia obscures this view.

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