In US Court orders gay military service ban lifted

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Jul 7, 11, 01:29 #1

The Obama administration must stop enforcing the ban that prevents gay men and women from serving openly in the U.S. military, a federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday.

President Barack Obama last year signed a landmark law repealing the policy that forced gays to keep their sexual orientation secret if they want to be in the military. The Pentagon has been in the process of writing rules for the new policy.

The issue of military service has long been a key issue for the gay community, along with same-sex marriage.

Last year, a California district court judge found that the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy violated the U.S. Constitution, and issued an injunction. But the 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals put that injunction on hold as the Department of Justice appealed the ruling.
http://news.yahoo.com/court-orders-gay-military-ban-lifted-202125179.h tml

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,433 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Jul 7, 11, 02:59 #2
Pretty soon you are going to see all gay platoons.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Jul 7, 11, 03:15 #3
By the right...quick mince... sorry , could not help it...

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jul 7, 11, 03:18 #4
Hey it's them or me someone has to fight in wars.

urszulaThreads: 2 Posts: 362 Joined: Aug 31, 07 ♀	Jul 7, 11, 04:57 #5
There are gays in every country serving the military. They just keep quiet.

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Edited by: sledz Jul 7, 11, 06:29 #6

PlasticPole:

Pretty soon you are going to see all gay platoons.

Then they will be deployed as a special unit to convert the Islamic extremists, because deep down thats what the terrorists want!
Have you seen their women? They cover them in sheets then beat them into slaves! Didnt they find a huge gay porn collection in Bin Ladens compound????

All those years alone in caves with each other and the dont like to be with women,,,,,,,lol

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Jul 7, 11, 07:31 #7
urszula: They just keep quiet. that is what we want them to do.. stop advertising who you have sex with.

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Jul 7, 11, 14:46 #8

Patrycja19:

that is what we want them to do

So you have no problem with fags fighting and dying for your country but goddam,theyd better shut the fcuk up about who they might like in case it makes you feel a little queezy?

Patrycja19:

stop advertising who you have sex with.

Im guessing that when they are lugging an M4 around in 120 degree heat dodging IEDs and Talib snipers that the last thing on anyones mind is "advertising who they have sex with"........anyway,redundant point as sex between straight soldiers in the war zone is against the rules too so.....

urszula:

There are gays in every country serving the military. They just keep quiet.

No "they" dont keep quiet,its only in backwards represive sociaties that they have been forced to keep quiet.
"Land of the free",my hairy yorkshire hetrosexual arse.......

So,in short,ship out or shut up!

modafinilThreads: - Posts: 831 Joined: Jun 28, 11 ♂	Jul 7, 11, 16:36 #9
isthatu2: So you have no problem with fags fighting and dying for your country but goddam,theyd better shut the fcuk up about who they might like in case it makes you feel a little queezy? A mate of mine was propositioned in a public toilet on the London underground by a guy using the next urinal. It wasn't what the gay said that pissed him off, it was the way the tosser showed his interest.

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Jul 7, 11, 16:46 #10

modafinil:

A mate of mine was propositioned in a public toilet on the London underground by a guy using the next urinal. It wasn't what the gay said that pissed him off, it was the way the tosser showed his interest.

Ok,not nice,I agree,very creepy in fact,but,again,what has that to do with someone being prepared to sacrifice their life for their country on the front line?
Women get propositioned by creepy men in far creepier ,intimidating ways everyday but we dont ban straight men from serving do we.......or women,so why the big hang up?
Like I said,there is a no shagging/screwing/fcuking (wotever the local term is ;) ) rule while on active service anyway,so just what difference does it make where sausage's get hidden once home on leave?

Besides,is it a matter of how effective an army can be with gays in it?
if so,better read up on the Spartans........or the Roman Empire for that matter,Giaus Julias Caeser liked it up the bum......its only wishy washy Abrahamic "traditions" that have had a hang up with same sex nookie,or,more precisly,an obssesion with what other people do in their private lives......

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Jul 7, 11, 17:32 #11

@IsThatU2. Gays do serve, and shouldn't be prevented. The issue is that sex prefs flaunted in the military services is going to be an issue amongst peers. Can you see innuendo deliberate or accidently being taken kindly. I often hear or say near classic 'Carry on' lines, maybe not as obvious as "They don't like it up 'em", but nevertheless someone will take offence (either way). Realistically the inherent attitudes of individuals is going to cause trouble at worst disharmony within a unit. Not everyone is as accepting as you(as yet), you see bigotry here on every thread. I'm not looking at this as a freedom issue as you are, more individuals safety, at least from snide bullying being the problem.
As for what my 1st comment had to do with it. It was an ill explained thought about queeziness. My mate who doesn't have anything against gays did end up giving thegay guy a good knock (ooh,matron).

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Jul 7, 11, 19:18 #12

modafinil:

Can you see innuendo deliberate or accidently being taken kindly.

Its there anyway isnt it. Its not like the army is all polite and minding its p's and q's and full of PC slaves is it? I mean,the type of gay men and women that will and do serve are hardly likely to be shrinking violets in the sense that a bit of beasting from their mates is going to have them running in floods of tears to the Padre...........:)
Its like the Black guys who have jokes thrown at them about not needing cammo on their faces at night,they dont go screaming "rascism" as they know its just squadie BS. It seems strangly enough that the people with the biggest problem with this both here (where there is no need for gay or lesbian or even transsexual soldiers to hide who they are when off duty) and in the States comes from either people who have never served a day in their lives in the forces or who maybe served back in national service days back in the 50s and 60s,ie,old farts,not people who know the reality on the ground.

modafinil:

The issue is that sex prefs flaunted in the military services

Not sure I get this.....so fine for squadies to letch over birds out the back of their 3 tonners but if one of them looks at some dude its going to cause a break down in morale?
Basicaly all this says is,it doesnt matter what you have done in service of your country,we may even pin a trinket on your chest for bravery but,sh!t,if you happen to have a same sex partner dont what ever you do invite them to your Medal presentation or it could spell the end of western civilisation as we know it.....................

modafinil:

you see bigotry here on every thread.

Beg to differ. I call it when I see it. It seems more hypocrasy to me. The same sort of people that bang on about treating our veterens as heroes or calling "our boys" heroes and respecting them for serving are the same ones who say,"yeah,but wait a minute,not the fags,fcuk them perverts,nah,we mean the straight veterens....".

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Jul 8, 11, 00:29 #13

ITU2 spent time writing up and a keyboard slip deleted all. This will be a bit shorthand without example or comparisons. I'm not dogmatic about it just how I see it. Neither am I trying to persuade you I'm right.
I can assure you the original was a fine, masterly crafted piece of work ;)

--Shrinking violets
A case came to the public eye recently of a NY cadet who is now in marshall court for selling info to afgan iraq and wikileaks a part of the story relevant here was his gender issues led to verbal bullying and physical assults, he did end up running to Padre. Would have gone unnoticed if it weren't for the treason.

--Blacks
Rarely reach ranks of authority. Gurkas fought as part of the army not as a hey wow! The need not to darken is observational. I saw you argue with DesEss in a real LOL way calling each other girly and baldie but a frienship had been established (I'm guessing). In a life or death situation who will care to know someone's sex preference or if the guy who scanned for mines was black or white or bald. it is irrelevant only that he/she is on our side. In civvy street does it matter there other than PC monitoring which was needed when minority (black/female) graduates were shown not to be represented in the workplace despite application. Who can't get into a job for something that is not apparent in the same way as gender or race. It's not the same issue as sex pref.
A Sikh friend was telling me back in the eighties how he protested 70s or 80s about having to were standard helmets because it would mean taking his turban off. He found it humorous that you never see a Sikh on a motorbike these days.

--Flaunting
Maybe I could have chose a better wayperhaps 'banging on'. There is comraderie in pointing out every fit bird that passes you by like on Builder's sites where it is blatant. I've never met anyone who doesn't except in the workplace where a friendhip is established first (but watch out for harrassment rules). It is a bonding experience that doesn't get tiresome. I'td be weird as fuck to be shouldered to have some bloke elbow me to show me another bloke. I'd have to tell him exactly how it is. A lesbian might be different. I don't know any as interesting as I'm sure I would find them.

--Hypocrisy
I'm anti-semantic. Repeated hypocrisy is Bigotry. If you have pointed out someones laughable reasoning where they complain about mexican immagrants who are indigineous to the land mass and there ancestors came way across the ocean because they wern't able to hack it in there own place. You are right to show this hypocrisy. If they then say, "well actually I am desended from a 13th century noble Pole who was stripped off everything and booted out" then they're bigoted in that they continue to deny there hypocrisy as a pathetic quality.

A war veteran is due respect for being a veteran not for any other personal aspect. It does not take away or deny their heroism. Their life story may make a good hollywood movie, like the one with Robert DeNiro mentoring that black diver who bust his leg, and everyone was against him, but despite all odds...you know the one...that black guy who done a feelgood movie with Tom Cruise...

The original post was really good, I swear : )

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Jul 8, 11, 00:49 #14

modafinil:

The issue is that sex prefs flaunted in the military services is going to be an issue amongst peers.

Soon after being posted to his unit in Hawaii, his father believes Wilfahrt had told some fellow soldiers of his sexuality. Soon most of them were aware. Talking to his mother last November he told her: "Mom, everyone knows. Nobody cares." Wilfahrt joined up after taking discreet advice from a gay ex-Marine on what he might expect as a homosexual in the US armed forces. That Marine, interviewed earlier this week by the news channel CNN and identified only as "Dan", said Wilfahrt had told him he wanted to be a soldier to protect someone with a family

modafinilThreads: - Posts: 831 Joined: Jun 28, 11 ♂	Jul 8, 11, 01:05 #15
@ Barney Odd his folks used the same word I did. Exactly as I said he could tell his mates without the political hoo-hah. From the same link - "He didn't act particularly gay," recalls his father. "I mean he didn't flaunt it though "

BarneyThreads: 16 Posts: 1,630 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Jul 8, 11, 01:14 #16
The guy was very compartmentalised in his life he was gay not a stereotype.I dont think he joined the army to mince.

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Edited by: isthatu2 Jul 8, 11, 13:28 #17

modafinil:

The original post was really good, I swear

I believe you mate :)
and scarily,people actually read and remember some of the stuff I come out with ?!?!?!?
I do think we both come to the same conclusions on this topic,maybe Im still a bit idealistic.

modafinil:

a NY cadet who is now in marshall court for selling info to afgan iraq and wikileaks a part of the story relevant here was his gender issues led to verbal bullying and physical assults, he did end up running to Padre. Would have gone unnoticed if it weren't for the treason.

Would he have been inclined to alegedly commit these crimes if it hadnt been for the USA's prurience in these issues? I mean,US forces some one with "gender issues" gets beasted to an unacceptable level ..UK forces one of Prince Will's guests at the wedding was a fellow Piolt from his SAR unit who is going through a sex change while still serving her(formarly His) country......

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Jul 8, 11, 13:52 #18
US soldiers have been training (and serving in battle) with openly gay soldiers from other countries for years. What's the big deal?

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jul 16, 11, 19:26 #19
The military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy is back in place for the time being, with one major caveat: the government is not allowed to investigate, penalize or discharge anyone who is openly gay. http://news.yahoo.com/court-dont-ask-dont-tell-stay-place-045028168.ht ml

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