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Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 07:42    #1
http://www.informacjeusa.com/2011/10/09/pis-znow-wygralo-wybory-w-usa/
Once again the American Polonia has shown it has a better grasp of what is good for Poland. Their Old Country brethren, mesmerised as they are by PO's clever political marketing, image-mongering and glib rhetoric, have once again fallen prey to slippery, tricky Don & Co.
hague1cmaeronThreads: 21
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Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: hague1cmaeron  Oct 10, 11, 07:51    #2
http://www.informacjeusa.com/2011/10/09/pis-znow-wygralo-wybory-w-usa/
Once again the American Polonia has shown it has a better grasp of what is good for Poland. Their Old Country brethren, mesmerised as they are by PO's clever political marketing, image-mongering and glib rhetoric, have once again fallen prey to slippery, tricky Don & Co.

Yea right cowboy, the Poles should take no lessons from the land of Hickdom, I would much rather go with what the sophisticated voters of the UK say every single time(:
Ah well, we can look forward to another 3 years of total PO dominance

three more years!
three more years!
three more years!

precz z Kaczynskim!
precz z Kaczynskim!
precz z Kaczynskim!
hague1cmaeronThreads: 21
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Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 08:02    #3
Ah well, we can look forward to another 3 years of total PO dominance
three more years!
three more years!
three more years!

precz z Kaczynskim!
precz z Kaczynskim!
precz z Kaczynskim!

That was meant for another thread, but i guess it is equally applicable(:
PalivecThreads: -
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Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 09:05    #4
Nicely illustrates how out of touch with Polish reality the American Polonia is.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Oct 10, 11, 09:21    #5
Nicely illustrates how out of touch with Polish reality the American Polonia is.


Indeed, it's a useful reminder that while Poles rejected PiS and their ideology by 70-30 - the American Polacks haven't got a ******* clue.
RubasznyRumcajsThreads: 9
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Joined: Mar 29, 08 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 09:41    #6
I wonder: why the hack people not living in Poland, not coming back to Poland, not paying taxes in Poland- why they do have a voting rights?
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Joined: Oct 9, 11  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		Edited by: MrHussaria  Oct 10, 11, 09:51    #7
yeah agreed... that's weird, American Poles no nothing about Poland. But neither do I now, so I'll just shut up...
mafketisThreads: 17
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Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 09:53    #8
Once again the American Polonia has shown it has a better grasp of what is good for Poland.


The clearest sign of knowing what's good for Poland is that they don't live there.
Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 10:53    #9
If they had lived there they too might have fallen for the glib rhetoric of smooth and slippery Don. The benefit of distance gives US Poloninas a better overview of what it's all about. And selling off Poland's last remaining assets to foreign interests, which the Tusk gang is so keen on, is not a good career move for Poland.
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Joined: Apr 6, 09  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 11:03    #10
Once again the American Polonia has shown it has a better grasp of what is good for Poland. Their Old Country brethren, mesmerised as they are by PO's clever political marketing, image-mongering and glib rhetoric, have once again fallen prey to slippery, tricky Don & Co.


the difference is Polonia are not subjected to the media brain washing here - there was no Palikot 2 months ago - then suddenly 1 month ago someone decided to give him a big push and the media and polls all suddenly were very favourable to him - to say those who vote for Palikot are gullible is not to say enough
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Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 11:19    #11
If they had lived there they too might have fallen for the glib rhetoric of smooth and slippery Don.


Glib is not the word I would use to describe Tusk....

And had they lived here they might also get fed up with the rhetoric of Kaczynski, which boils down to:

_ Poland has never harmed any other country

_ Poland is the perpetual victim of its diabolical neighbors

_ Poland cannot be civil in its relations with any of its neighbors to do so would be the same as capitulation

_ There's no difference between the current German government and the third (fourth?!) reich

_ There's no difference between the current Russian government and the USSR (he partially has a point with that)

_ There's a conspiracy against me and my party

_ Tusk and Komorowski killed my brother!

If you live outside of Poland it's harder to get sick and tired of this kind of rhetoric.
IronsideThreads: 59
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 11:29    #12
[quote=hague1cmaeron]That was meant for another thread, but i guess it is equally applicable(:

Nice illustration of your mental state and ability to discuss things, given the fact that you criticize Poles in America, yet you live in Ozz.
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Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂ 		Edited by: Grzegorz_  Oct 10, 11, 11:33    #13
there was no Palikot 2 months ago - then suddenly 1 month ago someone decided to give him a big push and the media and polls all suddenly were very favourable to him

He's a WSI/big business creation, It's obvious that many people got tired of PO and PiS was demonised enough to stop them from voting Kacz, so some "third way" option... SLD, PJN ? They didn't want to wait and see, they created quasi third way, all prepared by people standing behind Tusk, so much for "democracy".
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: Ironside  Oct 10, 11, 11:35    #14
nd had they lived here they might also get fed up with the rhetoric of Kaczynski, which boils down to:

it is not his rhetoric but media's spin

Unfortunately it is difficult to replace PiS or Kaczynski.
For patriotic Poles there is no alternative - and I write that with sadness.

If they had lived there they too might have fallen for the glib rhetoric of smooth and slippery Don. The benefit of distance gives US Poloninas a better overview of what it's all about. And selling off Poland's last remaining assets to foreign interests, which the Tusk gang is so keen on, is not a good career move for Poland.

bingo!!!
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 11:38    #15
Celebrities such as Palikot cheapen the whole process. Like Polish women who hibernate in winter and come out to play in summer, this circus clown would be well advised to push his head into the sand and shove his dildo where the sun don't shine. Just like Pudzianowski brings shame to MMA through not working hard enough, Palikot does the same.

I guess US Polonia were bombarded by PiS slogans and didn't live here when they were in power.
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 11:44    #16
I guess US Polonia were bombarded by PiS slogans and didn't live here when they were in power.

yeah, and you were particularly prosecuted by PiS -I wounder why !
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 11:50    #17
I don't understand, I-S. What do you mean?
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 11:55    #18
I guess US Polonia were bombarded by PiS slogans and didn't live here when they were in power.

No, what do you mean ? you have written above some meaningless sentence.
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Joined: Apr 6, 09  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 11:59    #19
I guess US Polonia were bombarded by PiS slogans and didn't live here when they were in power.


what was so terrible living here under PiS Seanus - bombarding with negative comments from media? - would you agree that the media are for some reason hostile to PiS? - so why blame PiS for negative media hypes (inflating things out of proportion) - or was there actually some other thing that affected many people personally including yourself - WHAT THE HELL WAS WRONG with the PiS staying in power???
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 12:03    #20
I meant that they are not wholly familiar with PiS due to being based in pre-crisis America. My point was that they received only slogans and soundbites but didn't live under the regime, good or bad.
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Joined: Apr 6, 09  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		Edited by: gumishu  Oct 10, 11, 12:05    #21
I guess US Polonia were bombarded by PiS slogans and didn't live here when they were in power.

Polonia are not bombarded with PiS slogans - why? - because there is noone to bombard them with PiS slogans (isn't it obvious) - if anything they perpetuate any PiS slogans themselves -

Seanus you're going to pay for the Tusk indebting this nation, for Tusk pat-me-on-my-back European policies (because Poles will love me if you just pat me on my back) - you may be well unaware of the fact but you will financially feel the 'miracles' of the Tusk rule - and you will regret that you haven't warned people around enough about the 'beneficiencies' of it
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 12:16    #22
I'm not a fan of Tusk either. Maybe they are informed in US Polonia but how many of them really 'lived it' under PiS? PiS value accountability in key areas and I like that about them.
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Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 12:32    #23
The benefit of distance gives US Poloninas a better overview of what it's all about. And selling off Poland's last remaining assets to foreign interests, which the Tusk gang is so keen on, is not a good career move for Poland.


You summed it up perfectly. Americans have no clue about the EU and modern Europe. When Europeans talk about integration and collaboration all Americans understand is losing sovereignty. The concept of the EU is simply to much for a nation (=USofA) where 70% of the inhabitants don't own a passport and never crossed a border.
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 12:47    #24
and modern Europe

What modern Europe ?
in rhetorics ?
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Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 12:55    #25
I think it means Gerries don't have to roll in with tanks anymore, they just call Tusk and everything is quickly sorted out.
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Joined: Jun 3, 11 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 13:19    #26
They way some people talk it is as if PiS being in power for the brief time they were, was the worst thing that has happened to Poland in years. Is PO seriously better? I don't think so.

Gumishu, as for American polonia, I think a lot of them have Polish television as well, I assume, so they probably saw the anti PiS propaganda in the media, but didn't go for it. For some reason people in Poland went for it. I think that living in the USA, even if it is financially better, is not that fun, at least on a morale ground. There is too much liberalism. I see it too in GB. People in Poland, the younger ones, might still have this sort of idealic view of the west, like people had in communist times, and want Poland to go that way. I personally, when I look around where I live, am proud that Poland has stayed true to many of it's values. I don't want it to be some liberal mixed race melting pot like here. Do you know how many people are unhappy here? They talk a good talk but in reality they are devasted at what is going on in the country. Same in the USA probably, and even in France.

Financially I doubt PO and PiS are too different. They might have slightly difference ideas of how to sort [or not sort] problems out, but it is in the morale and social areas of life, as well as fighting for your rights, rather than being a head bobbler who just agrees to do what they are told, where they differ.
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Joined: Sep 16, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 14:06    #27
Quite a bad opinion of their (ex) countrymen, if they think PO won because of media influence.
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Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 15:08    #28
And yet again Polonia prove that:
a) there is an 80% chance that somebody who is Polonia is also a moron;
b) when it comes to Poland, there should be no representation without taxation. People who choose not to do anything to help Poland should not be allowed to have any say in how Poland is run.
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Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: jwojcie  Oct 10, 11, 15:26    #29
Agreed, I don't care if 80% of Polish-Americans voted for PIS or 80% of Polish Londoners voted for PO. It should be a threshold. Let say - five years no tax paid in Poland - no vote.
It is beyond me that someone who haven't even been in Poland has a right to decide where my money should go... Some of expats on this forum should have more rights to vote in Polish elections than so called "Polonia".
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Joined: Apr 6, 09  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 11, 15:32    #30
Agreed, I don't care if 80% of Polish-Americans voted for PIS or 80% of Polish Londoners voted for PO. It should be a threshold. Let say - five years no tax paid in Poland - no vote.
It is beyond me that someone who haven't even been in Poland has a right to decide where my money should go...


have anyone of you ever cared to see how many people are eligible to vote in America - 50 000?

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