US to step up security at hotels and malls

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,955 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Dec 28, 10, 00:49 #1
The United States is stepping up security at "soft targets" like hotels and shopping malls, as well as trains and ports. Well it looks like police state will come to town where you live body scanner be everywhere with the TSA molesters. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101226/pl_afp/usattackssecurity

trener zolwiaThreads: 5 Posts: 2,786 Joined: Jun 8, 10 ♂	Dec 28, 10, 01:08 #2
Marek11111: police state Only 9 years after 9/11. :s If Bush had done this the Libs would have been freaking out, saying he was instituting a police state and he was "shredding the Constitution!! Wha!!!!".

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,433 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Dec 28, 10, 01:44 #3
Marek11111: The United States is stepping up security at "soft targets" like hotels and shopping malls, as well as trains and ports. Well it looks like police state will come to town where you live body scanner be everywhere with the TSA molesters. It doesn't worry me none. Law abiding citizens have nothing to fear and if it will stop some of these psychos, I'm all for it!

guesswhoThreads: 23 Posts: 3,326 Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀	Edited by: guesswho Dec 28, 10, 01:47 #4
trener zolwia: a police state Hey no problem at all. Maybe finally they will get rid of the anti-American elements in this country. We need radical changes here. Democracy, the way we know it here, is destroying this country. PlasticPole: It doesn't worry me none. Law abiding citizens have nothing to fear and if it will stop some of these psychos, I'm all for it! wow PP, what a progress.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Dec 28, 10, 01:49 #5
shoot some sense into em...

Ashleys mindThreads: 7 Posts: 1,346 Joined: Nov 2, 10 ♀	Dec 28, 10, 03:20 #6
wildrover: shoot some sense into em... Just a few holes... Don't want to create medical bills that can't be paid...

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Edited by: convex Dec 28, 10, 07:40 #7

PlasticPole:

Law abiding citizens have nothing to fear and if it will stop some of these psychos, I'm all for it!

Both sides of mainstream politics are playing into this stupid climate of fear. No one is out to get you. Arab terrorists aren't trying to kill your family, and body scanners won't make you safer. Start getting local cops to investigate shootings instead of sitting in medians with radar guns, that's a good start. Stop giving out food stamp cards and free apartments for a family of 4 when the people have no kids and sell their cards ("call the number, you can check there's money on it!"). That'd be a better idea than trying to address a threat that barely exists just because some stupid news program thinks it's a good idea. There is no boogey man.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,433 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Dec 28, 10, 08:02 #8
I'm not worried about international terrorists as much as I am domestic terrorists and people who go on shooting rampages like that guy in Florida. Increased security might stop or discourage some of that. There's a lot more violence in America than just international terrorism...

Ashleys mindThreads: 7 Posts: 1,346 Joined: Nov 2, 10 ♀	Dec 28, 10, 09:12 #9
Hmmm, stop allowing Americans to carry firearms...? In an atmosphere of hostility this just exacerbates it surely?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Dec 28, 10, 09:13 #10
Marek11111: US to step up security at hotels and malls But more importantly, what colour is the Homeland Security Advisory System? convex: There is no boogey man. I like your posts, I don't know how a family of 4 can not have kids, they must be Mormons or something :) How about jailing the bankers for immoral practices?

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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Dec 28, 10, 09:28 #11

convex:

No one is out to get you. Arab terrorists aren't trying to kill your family, and body scanners won't make you safer.

convex:

There is no boogey man.

Agreed

guesswho:

We need radical changes here. Democracy, the way we know it here, is destroying this country.

What would you like, a socialist democratic party? with SA and SS factions? Security checks are just another piece of the control pie.

What happened to all the America will come out on top, he who laughs last laughs best? and all that patriotic nonsense.

Ashleys mind:

stop allowing Americans to carry firearms...?

My thoughts exactly.

FUZZYWICKETSThreads: 12 Posts: 1,999 Joined: Nov 3, 09 ♂	Dec 28, 10, 09:52 #12
marek11111 wrote: The United States is stepping up security at "soft targets" like hotels and shopping malls, as well as trains and ports. Well it looks like police state will come to town where you live body scanner be everywhere with the TSA molesters. uhhhhcccchhhh, yet another anti-american post from Marek11111. lay off the Kool-Aid man.

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Dec 28, 10, 13:02 #13
FUZZYWICKETS: lay off the Kool-Aid man I think you're the one with a plastic cup in his hand.

FUZZYWICKETSThreads: 12 Posts: 1,999 Joined: Nov 3, 09 ♂	Dec 28, 10, 13:22 #14
mafketis wrote: I think you're the one with a plastic cup in his hand. filled to the brim with reality. by the way, what in the world does this thread have to do with poland?

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,478 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Dec 28, 10, 13:37 #15
FUZZYWICKETS: by the way, what in the world does this thread have to do with poland? Agreed anybody would think this is American Forums lately.

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Dec 28, 10, 14:46 #16

The government is just trying to keep it's people living in fear. When people are afraid it's easy to introduce new 'security measures'. It's just another way to monitor and harass the public. America is going to keep on stripping it's citizens of their freedoms and charge them double for doing it.

Sure if you're a law abiding citizen what do you have to fear just going on being a sheep. When it's your turn to be singled out and questioned unnecessarily it'll probably be too late to change anything.

skysoulmateThreads: 41 Posts: 3,039 Joined: Jan 10, 10 ♂	Dec 28, 10, 14:55 #17
Wroclaw Boy: Agreed anybody would think this is American Forums lately. Wrong WB. This is the Let's Hate America forum and you've been a happy participant in the past so just keep pounding on the mother of all evils.

Ashleys mindThreads: 7 Posts: 1,346 Joined: Nov 2, 10 ♀	Dec 28, 10, 15:17 #18
skysoulmate: Wrong WB. This is the Let's Hate America forum and you've been a happy participant in the past so just keep pounding on the mother of all evils It's nice that the free world gets a chance to vent. It's none of our business really...

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,228 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Dec 28, 10, 15:24 #19
convex: Arab terrorists aren't trying to kill your family, well,actually they are,but being as he's in Afganistan at the minute..... convex: There is no boogey man. What about Disco Stu?

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,478 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Dec 28, 10, 15:30 #20
Ashleys mind: It's none of our business really... Speak for yourself, as long as American affairs affect the world its every bodies business. tosha: The government is just trying to keep it's people living in fear. When people are afraid it's easy to introduce new 'security measures'. Fear is an effective method of control.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,433 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Dec 28, 10, 16:43 #21
Ashleys mind: Hmmm, stop allowing Americans to carry firearms...? That is definitely not an answer. Americans are guaranteed the right to have them in the constitution. But, having them means assuming more responsibility...like stepping up security. That is just part of the price for having them.

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Edited by: isthatu2 Dec 28, 10, 17:00 #22

PlasticPole:

Americans are guaranteed the right to have them in the constitution.

Nope,wrong,there is a right to carry a firelock as part of your militia duties,it says nothing about the right to carry anything else for any other reason,not even hunting.
Its only since 2008 when a decision was made by the supreme court that this right was slightly extended,ie,non constitutionally,in its origional form,and even then only to "traditional law enforcement" and "home defence" still no constitutionally advocated right to wander around tooled up or go hunting pigs an bambi with an ar 15.

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Edited by: Marynka11 Dec 28, 10, 17:08 #23

Marek11111:

The United States is stepping up security at "soft targets" like hotels and shopping malls, as well as trains and ports

At least they are creating some jobs. Whether the people are unemployed, or working phony jobs, the money comes from the taxpayers pocket at the end, but at least a few guys will feel useful.

convex:

Both sides of mainstream politics are playing into this stupid climate of fear. No one is out to get you. Arab terrorists aren't trying to kill your family, and body scanners won't make you safer.

Totally agree.

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Edited by: PlasticPole Dec 28, 10, 17:08 #24

isthatu2:

Nope,wrong,there is a right to carry a firelock as part of your militia duties

That's not the case at all. Colonists had guns for a variety of reasons, one was being part of local militias that were formed to defend the colonies. These early settlers had to hunt for food and there was no way to do that without guns unless you want to give them bows and arrows. So, they had guns for that purpose as well. Primary reason for early gun ownership was self defense and hunting food. Gun ownership to secure a food source was widely accepted in the colonies. Of course, there were certain groups who were not allowed guns, I am sure. Slaves, for instance, were most likely forbidden to own guns.
The bill of rights implies that gun ownership is allowed in instances of self defense. It doesn't say anything. The constitution says we have the right to bear arms which means we have the right to own weapons for self defense.
Keep in mind, isthatu2, some of the powers in the constitution are implied.

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Dec 28, 10, 17:21 #25

The primary reason that the right to own weapons was enshrined in the Bill of Rights was to keep the Government in fear of the citizenry. Even the more Statist founding fathers (who would be considered radical Libertarians today :) were clear in the intent. Madison wrote about it in the Federalist Papers. I'll spare you the more common quotes from Jefferson, Henry, Adams, and the rest of the usual suspects.

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Edited by: jonni Dec 28, 10, 17:26 #26

convex:

The primary reason that the right to own weapons was enshrined in the Bill of Rights was to keep the Government in fear of the citizenry.

Makes a lot of sense given the circumstances of those times. Of course they're not in fear now, and 'arms' have come on a bit since the days of pikestaffs and muskets, and the US government isn't in fear of its citizenry, so perhaps an amendment is long overdue. Not that it would be passed by every state. Maybe it's time to figure a way that the spirit of that law could be maintained in a more effective way.

Marek11111:

The United States is stepping up security at "soft targets" like hotels and shopping malls, as well as trains and ports. Well it looks like police state will come to town where you live body scanner be everywhere with the TSA molesters.

I was on busines in Istanbul earlier this month and had to go through an airport style metal detector to get in a mall. Very annoying, but sadly the shape of things to come.

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Dec 28, 10, 17:28 #27

convex:

The primary reason that the right to own weapons was enshrined in the Bill of Rights was to keep the Government in fear of the citizenry.

I disagree. The colonists were fighting the British crown because the monarchy continuously ignored the colonists. Their complaints fell on death ears. King George the III didn't care for them too much. The monarchy IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT. It's a foreign ruler trying to deprive the colonists of sovereignty. The last thing George Washington wanted as our first President was for an armed mob to murder him. Some Americans mistake the right to bear arms as a right to rise against the government but that's not rational. No government wants an armed rebellion.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Dec 28, 10, 17:34 #28
That's the point, George Washington never wanted a Government that would be resented by the people to the point where armed rebellion would be necessary. It was a simple, and wise, check on Government power. In the context of today's Federal Government, it would be easy to see how such thinking would be considered extreme.

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Edited by: guesswho Dec 28, 10, 17:36 #29

Wroclaw Boy:

with SA and SS factions?

It would be one of the options as long as no one will get killed for being different (religion, race etc.).
We need discipline here. We don't need anti-American elements. Whoever doesn't like this country and its people is free to leave. No help for any other country as long as there are people in this country who need help.
Call me a Nazi if you want, I don't care.

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Edited by: PlasticPole Dec 28, 10, 17:39 #30

convex:

That's the point, George Washington never wanted a Government that would be resented by the people to the point where armed rebellion would be necessary.

That's why we are a representative democracy with the power to vote. If you don't like what government officials are doing, keep voting them out of office until they start doing what you want. The problem with American voters is they will do this during a midterm and then they stop doing it and settle for more of the same. You have to consistently vote out the politicians you don't like regardless of party, even the Republicans.
We have no one to blame but ourselves for this mess. We have voted every one of them in, and until you and others decide to not keep voting them in, you have no one to point the finger at but yourselves. With the power to vote, we get to decide who is in congress, who is in the senate, both state and federal. With that power comes responsibility so you have to quit blaming the politicians when you are the ones who voted for them and put them there in the first place. It's bs to blame them when you have the power to vote them in or out. That's what's so frustrating about this.

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