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pgtxThreads: 49
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Japan and Sweden joined the U.S. and Britain on Monday in warning citizens about traveling in Europe because of concerns about a terror attack. Pakistani intelligence officials said five German militants were believed killed in an American missile strike close to the Afghan border.

Two officials said the victims were believed to be German citizens in the region for terrorist training. A third said they were believed to be foreigners, but gave no details.


Japan warns about Europe terror; tourists are calm

Previous alerts were issued after the 2004 al Qaeda bombings of commuter trains in Spain's capital Madrid and after the 2005 bombings of subway trains and buses in London, England.

News emerged last week that Western intelligence officials were looking at information about a possible "Mumbai-style" attack in cities across Europe, and a British security source said Saturday that intelligence related to such a plot was being looked at very seriously on both sides of the Atlantic.


Travel alert issued for U.S. citizens in Europe


The travel alert is a step below a formal warning not to visit Europe, but some experts said it could still hurt a fragile European economy already hit hard by the debt crisis.

"I think if someone was looking for an excuse not to travel, then this is just the ticket," said George Hobica, founder of Airfarewatchdog.com. "However, I don't think most people will alter their plans unless the threat is very specific."


US terror warning could hurt Europe's economy

yet another game or something to worry about....?
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pgtx:
yet another game or something to worry about....?

Yet another silly game of the big 'world' governments (ie. politicians and corporations). They produce the 'facts' and write scenarios, like in Hollywood. They know exactly how (most) people will react, it's not 101 of Goebbels propaganda any more, it's much more advanced these days :|.
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pgtx:
yet another game or something to worry about....?

well, you never know, being played not a player !:)
Marek11111Threads: 49
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Joined: Aug 6, 09  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Oct 4, 10, 19:21    #4
in United states they have two new bill in works, one bill is to give government ( president ) power to shut down internet and the net neutrality bill to allow corporation decide who will get faster connection they are design to limit the information flow and of cause take more right away from citizens. this terror alert is nothing more than to scare population from opposing the bills. And I wonder what the October surprise will be.
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Joined: May 1, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 4, 10, 19:26    #5
Marek11111:
this terror alert is nothing more than to scare population from opposing the bills.

Don’t forget, when you hype it out and nothing happens it only shows how good of a job the government is doing to protect their citizens as well as justifying the budget for all those programs.
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ShortHairThug:
Don’t forget, when you hype it out and nothing happens it only shows how good of a job the government is doing to protect their citizens as well as justifying the budget for all those programs.

Great point.
pgtxThreads: 49
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ShortHairThug:
Don’t forget, when you hype it out and nothing happens it only shows how good of a job the government is doing to protect their citizens as well as justifying the budget for all those programs.

well, i'm glad that CIA stays busy... this way or another...
convexThreads: 46
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An on topic link, a first for me....

Terrorizing Ourselves: Why U.S. Counterterrorism Policy Is Failing and How to Fix It
nottThreads: 6
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Joined: Jun 2, 10 ♂ 		 Oct 4, 10, 20:27    #9
ShortHairThug:
when you hype it out and nothing happens it only shows how good of a job the government is doing to protect their citizens as well as justifying the budget for all those programs.


except in the swine flue case...
CrowThreads: 367
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US terror warning ---> Europe terror plot?

such a statements and informations reminds me how EU and USA tend to turn into police states. From one side they openly work side by side with extreme Muslims and on the other side they spread global paranoia. Disgusting

Only almighty money makes THEM to looks serious (as if). When they fall in real economic crisis, last remain of West would survive only in Slavic world
saschaThreads: 13
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Joined: Jun 10, 10  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Oct 4, 10, 20:51    #11
ShortHairThug:
Don’t forget, when you hype it out and nothing happens it only shows how good of a job the government is doing to protect their citizens as well as justifying the budget for all those programs.


Big brother is watching you.



The best tool for control a population after all is fear no matter what kind of "good job" the government is doing.

Your argument is full bullsh1t.
szkotja2007Threads: 38
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Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂ 		 Oct 4, 10, 21:17    #12
Thank god we are taking the fight to the terrorisors.

This makes every buck spent in Afghaniland worth it.
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szkotja2007:
This makes every buck spent in Afghaniland worth it.

yes. and creation of albanian muslim narco caliphate on Slavic South was best anti-terror investment ever
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There's another trend in the US schools - school uniforms. The propaganda machine in the media has already started working, an example here:

Administrators can now identify students from out of the school district that don't belong," he said.

The policy also relieves students from the pressure to wear expensive designer clothes.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/104060114_High_school_students_are_dre ssed_for_success_with_uniforms.html

Since the American society is getting poorer and poorer it will be a 'reasonable step' for most parents (manipulated by the media and school officials) to prevent their children to feel bad about not being able to wear brand clothes. etc. So the solution is -- give them grey school uniforms : ). This system teaches submission and compliance which will be needed from the younger generation when the 'next big steps' are taken by the governments.

How far is the USA from Poland in the socialism ara these days?
nottThreads: 6
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Joined: Jun 2, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: nott  Oct 4, 10, 21:36    #15
Tlum:
How far is the USA from Poland in the socialism ara these days?


Still a little. But I myself remember those drab uniforms with school badges... attached with safety pins by the smartest kids... me incl... :)

sascha:
The best tool for control a population after all is fear


Ditto. Liberal democracy or not, since I came to the UK there was some kind of scare. Every year.
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Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: richasis  Oct 4, 10, 21:56    #16
Tlum:
So the solution is -- give them grey school uniforms

Asians, who still wear school uniforms, consistently test higher than their American counterparts.
In Amerikkka, home-schooled children generally test higher than those children publicly schooled.

The only correlation is the students' wearing of designer clothing to impress their peers.
Tlum:
This system teaches submission and compliance which will be needed from the younger generation when the 'next big steps' are taken by the governments

...and Big Business. Submission and compliance are the cornerstones of American corporate culture.

It's ironic how the need to impress, with one's attire, makes for a part of this 'culture'.

Americans are doomed in this new economy: the Emperor had on no clothes, let alone designer ones.
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richasis:
Asians, who still wear school uniforms, consistently test higher than their American counterparts.

Right, especially Chinese Asians ;)
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Tlum:
There's another trend in the US schools - school uniforms. The propaganda machine in the media has already started working, an example here:


In the UK children wear school uniform from day one (from the age 4 - have done for decades) and yes its about making kids all look the same so kids cant get singled out - FACT...Plus its an easy way to tell what school a kid goes to (my blazer had the school badge and tie had the school colours, makes you have a little bit more respect and less likely to misbehave in public)..

It has nothing to do with propaganda..Its a completely normal thing as far as Im concerned, its practical for kids and parents.

pgtx:
US terror warning could hurt Europe's economy

yet another game or something to worry about....?


US tourists (aparently) are amongst the highest spending and bring £2 billion to the UK, so it will be a dent in the economy...So game or joke there are certain cites that depend on tourism..my city doesnt that much, its more about attracting high fee paying students who I doubt will stop coming (many from Asia and Africa so they're used to this $hit)
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Amathyst:
In the UK children wear school uniform from day one

I thought this is the case, but wasn't sure.
Amathyst:
Its a completely normal thing

I wholeheartedly agree.
Amathyst:
So game or joke

Maybe both?

British intelligence denies US terror warnings sparked by new info
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/03/europe-commando-terror-att ack-us

Germany denies terror attack threat
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/145190.html

Is the AP deliberately fear-mongering Europe terror threat to sell body scanners?
http://www.activistpost.com/2010/10/is-ap-deliberately-fear-mongering. html
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sascha:
The best tool for control a population after all is fear


In the last few years we seem to have an explosion of incidents which promote fear: 9/11, SAR, swine flu, the pretend take down of the internet.. even the bed bugs... In the 'good ol' time communist style' all you needed to do is keep your mouth shut politically and you'd be basically fine. If you didn't then you knew what awaits you: Siberia or you could simply disappear. Of course they can't openly doing it now. So the entire nation is scared whether they are 'guilty' of anything or not! Simpler and more efficient and the technology is helping. Yeah, just another form of control in the name of good for the public. Hehehe. What really is scary - the people welcome the change. Oh well, I've been there I've done that..ran away from...back in the square one. lol.
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sascha:

Your argument is full bullsh1t.

How is it so? Is my English that poor? Does everything have to be spelled out for the Russian in you or is it just your reading skills that fail you?
Eurola:
Siberia or you could simply disappear. Of course they can't openly doing it now.

Haven’t you heard of black sites, Guantanamo, etc? Some you’ll never even hear about. Seems it doesn’t make a difference if you’re a citizen or not, simple declaration as an enemy combatant is enough and you don’t even have a chance to defend yourself. True or false allegations don't matter these days, good old times difference being is the country that's doing it and climate of the location of the prison you're being held but for all practical purpose no different than Siberia from accusations to treatment, simple suspicion is enough to be condemned.
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ShortHairThug:
but for all practical purpose no different than Siberia


now that's a bit of a stretch, isn't it?

Quite a lot of the former Guantanamo inmates were later found with smoking guns.

I understand you may not be happy with the Russian history, but facts are facts.
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nott:
How is it so? Is my English that poor? Does everything have to be spelled out for the Russian in you or is it just your reading skills that fail you?


a) I am not Russian.

b) I understood your English perfectly.

c) I can read.

d) Your argument is still sh1t.

nott:
sascha:
The best tool for control a population after all is fear
Ditto. Liberal democracy or not, since I came to the UK there was some kind of scare. Every year.


He understood. Why didn't you?
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Amathyst:
In the UK children wear school uniform from day one


Not all schools.

Mine was wonderfully progressive, a very good school and didn't have a uniform. Several attempts were made by the PTA to bring one in, but every time, it was rejected in a democratic vote of the staff and students.

The way that the UK has completely failed to stamp out the restrictive practices surrounding school uniform is quite shameful. Fair enough, the problem isn't anywhere near as bad as it used to be - but there are still plenty of occurrences where uniforms can only be obtained from a certain supplier due to arcane aspects of the uniform in question.

I'm not against uniforms as such, but they should be cheap and accessible to all.
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sure, you all know shite ....so why not talk school uniforms - I'm sure that every child without uniform is a potential terrorist !
Cluless rubbish !
Pinching PeteThreads: 1
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Amathyst:
In the UK children wear school uniform from day one


How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat!!
richasisThreads: 5
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Pinching Pete:
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat!!

All in all, we're just a-nother Brick in the Wall. :)
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ShortHairThug:
Haven’t you heard of black sites, Guantanamo, etc? Some you’ll never even hear about.

where is the sense in here? hm?
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ShortHairThug:
Haven’t you heard of black sites, Guantanamo, etc?


ShortHairThug:
for all practical purpose no different than Siberia from accusations to treatment, simple suspicion is enough to be condemned.

Not quite. Guantanamo was almost a vacation site with food, showers, TV etc. Don't compare it to Siberia.
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nott:
now that's a bit of a stretch, isn't it?

Of course it is, a hell of a stretch for now but people tend to miss the big picture.

While no one really cares for those scumbags (rightly so), a civilized society should still be governed by some kind of rule of law. Geneva convention clearly states that combatants who fall into enemy hands are presumably POWs, entitled to all protections that are afforded to them by that legal status, among them ability to receive aid, correspond with family, and what’s most important of all, to have elected representation before the military authorities. U.S traditionally recognized the protection of POWs under the Geneva convention and when there was doubt about an individual’s status, the military afforded all protections for POW status until a competent tribunal of officers resolved the doubt. So why make an exception in this case? Seven years on and the question has still had not been resolved but that’s just a side issue in this case.

What’s worrisome in this case is the 2009 U.S. Supreme Court decision to give the president the power to seize and indefinitely detain its own citizens or legal residents without charge or trial, thus theoretically giving the government the right to establish and run Gulags if it chose to do so without individual’s right to legal recourse, all done with a consent and blessing of unsuspected public who were lead to believe that the rule of law is not applicable in this case. It’s not about some scumbag terrorists but the erosion of citizen rights that’s really at stake here.

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