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Pronunciation of "Czesc"


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  Jan 27, 08, 15:19  #1

Given that my "handle" is "Czesc," I was wondering if anyone could tell me the proper pronunciation of "Czesc." I'm a 2nd generation U.S. born Polish boy, and consequently I butcher every word from "Babcia(?)" to "Ojciec"(?)
Any assistance would be helpful.

Z poważaniem,
Adam

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osiol GOLD MEMBER
  Jan 27, 08, 15:43  #2

cześć

It helps when you start to know that there are two different sounds that English-speakers' ears hear as 'ch' - neither of them spelt 'ch'! So, although it sounds a bit like 'cheshch', it isn't. Confused? You will be!

cz - like 'ch' in 'chicken', with the tongue in a similar position to the English 'r' but maybe not quite so far back.

ć - the tongue makes a completely different shape for this one - the tip of the tongue just behind and above the front teeth, the middle of the tongue raised upwards (kind of thing)

ś is made in the same kind of way as the ć
e is like the e in the word 'shed'.

Was that helpful, Adam.
Anyone else: was that a good description from someone who is rubbish at Polish?

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JustysiaS
  Jan 27, 08, 15:47  #3

amzing donkey, i wouldn't have explained it better myself.

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osiol GOLD MEMBER
  Jan 27, 08, 15:50  #4

I need to know these things so I can sound as good as possible. I even practice when I'm on my own sometimes!
The only problem is that when I try to say it out loud in front of people, it all comes out wrong...
except in a nice simple word like 'cześć' or in a load of mindless swearing - practice eventually makes perfect!

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JustysiaS
  Jan 27, 08, 15:56  #5

yeah i talk to myself in English quite often, too, and yes i dont sound exactly British, but there are a few phrases that i have mastered so far (by repeating them almost every day), and as long as i dont have to use an "r" i sound ok ;). it definitely is a matter of practice.

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osiol GOLD MEMBER
  Jan 27, 08, 16:07  #6

JustysiaS wrote:
as long as i dont have to use an "r" i sound ok

I might be able to give you some simple step-by-step instructions to help with this.

On the other hand, a foreign accent can sound quite nice, and if (unlike yourself) you are rubbish at speaking the language, sounding too good can make people think you know more than you do.

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JustysiaS
  Jan 27, 08, 16:14  #7

yeah everybody tells me not to lose the accent, i speak very clear and have a nice voice, so its ok. could open a Polish hotline or something ;). i know a couple of Polish people who try to be so very correct with their English pronounciations and choosing their words, that by the time they actually finish their sentence everybody's so not interested. they choose the correct (in their minds) pronounciation and formal vocabulary over regular everyday English. its so pathetic, makes me cringe when i listen to that.

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jestesjedyny
  Jan 27, 08, 19:12  #8

osiol wrote:
I even practice when I'm on my own sometimes!
The only problem is that when I try to say it out loud in front of people, it all comes out wrong...

This donkey is hilarious hahaha ;P eat fruits, it will help you with polish ;) it refines your words ;P sweet lips, smoother tongue. hehehe!

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osiol GOLD MEMBER
  Jan 27, 08, 19:16  #9

Try saying jabłko whilst biting into an apple.

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Michal
  Jan 28, 08, 03:58  #10

osiol wrote:
Try saying jabłko whilst biting into an apple.

I always say japko but really its jabwko.

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Seanus GOLD MEMBER
  Jan 28, 08, 04:03  #11

I always give the advice of fresh cheese, the transition between the two words. It's enough for foreigners starting out b4 getting into how hard the sound should be.

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learning
  Jan 28, 08, 23:26  #12

Hey I said this to my Polish classmate today, she understood!

yay

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Gustaw88 [Guest]
  Feb 4, 08, 15:33  #13

Just one thing: "Jabłko" should in fact be pronounced neither as
"japko" nor as "jabłko", but as: "JAPŁKO" (with a very weak, slight "Ł") - this the formal language norm according to the Rada Języka Polskiego, led by prof. Markowski.

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porta
  Feb 4, 08, 16:28  #14

osiol wrote:
cześć

It helps when you start to know that there are two different sounds that English-speakers' ears hear as 'ch' - neither of them spelt 'ch'! So, although it sounds a bit like 'cheshch', it isn't. Confused? You will be!

cz - like 'ch' in 'chicken', with the tongue in a similar position to the English 'r' but maybe not quite so far back.

ć - the tongue makes a completely different shape for this one - the tip of the tongue just behind and above the front teeth, the middle of the tongue raised upwards (kind of thing)

ś is made in the same kind of way as the ć
e is like the e in the word 'shed'.



I have this newspaper article i would like to know how to pronounce :P

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