Putin says, "poking their snotty Polish noses" into Russia's affairs?

I'm sure some of them don't love him so much but the fact is that the majority of Russians really respect Putin for being "a strong leader". Why should we care? If they want to have Putin, let them have him. Do you seriously think Putin is going to become second Hitler/Stalin and will start a war with Poland? I seriously doubt that.

In my opinion, it is just stupid to provoke Russia and antagonize it. Everybody in the west realizes that.

i don't agree at all.. look at all the garabage coming out of washington dc.

io can definitely putin transforming to a dictator.. this latest "election" is definitely a move towards that, in my eyes. i care as they are rather influential and i am tired of their influence over poland.

The administration will change soon and government’s foreign policy along with it.



What influence are you referring to? The oil pipe? They can't shut it down. At least not for long.

past influences.. i have no idea what they'll come up with next.. i just don't trust a thing coming out of the kremlin.


i highly doubt it. americans don't really like change and most are just complacent anyway.

if the recent past is anything to go by 1960-present then the gov't foreign policy will be covered differently in the preess but essentially remain the same.

plka 123: what do you think would be an effective and productive way to curt tail russian influence in poland (at least the negative influences)?

good question.. i really have no idea.. not really aware of all 'bad' influences from russia.. i just know they try to bully poland every chance they get.

It hasn't changed over the course of many administrations, both republican and democrats, so what makes you think it's going to change with the incoming of a new administration?

One of the reasons the US is looked upon negatively is because of our long standing foreign policy.

These past influences are long gone. We don't need to trust them but we also don't need to provoke them.



I disagree.

how? why? ... hmm

yeah i admit that was a vague question, i was really trying to bleed some examples out of you. i suppose when people are more aware of what's going on then they're in a much better position to push their government to act accordingly, or at least help drive public sentiment.

I can give you several examples where the US foreign policy has changed over the course of years.

As far as republicans and democrats, they both have a quite different vision of the foreign policy. For instance, Iraq. Most democrats would like to get out of there asap as oppose to republicans. If the democratic candidate will be elected, no doubt, the foreign policy will change.

yet most democrats voted to go to war, hmm, well they're reported as doves but those are very hawkish doves.

do some research on clinton's policies, kennedy's, and conservative policy, let me know if you find any similarities. besides it's not like the administration runs the joint, the joint runs the administration.

that may be the case but the congress is controlled by the demos and we're still in Irq with no time table for withdrawal. nothing has changed.

Another thing that others may not understand is our last presidential vote going to Bush: It is mostly due to being at war that a change of presidents did not take place. It is my view, Bush got us here, let him get us out. With the house now taken by Democrates it is safe. When republicans had both we were in a very bad situation.

What happened on Sept. 11th was sick and I do believe something had to be done. Did we do the right thing? Only time will tell. Carol

AL-QAEDA WHICH HAS OR HAD NO COUNTRY.. IRQ WAS DEFINITELY NOT IT.

I aggree. Carol

i guess time told.

Who should that be? Would you like somebody to invade Russia and replace Putin by some other politician? Just like Bush and his neo-cons did with Saddam? If not by invading Russia, how else would you like to stop Putin? He has a huge support among Russian people, doesn't he?

i think that's highly debatable.. he surpresses any opposition thus not much of it visible to us.

it is interesting, i mean, putin may very well be surpressing opposition. but in the good ol usa, well, surpression doesn't always have to be overt does it? That is the one thing i really enjoy about polish politics, and that is there are a lot of parties to choose from and i hope it stays that way.

I may not alway like what Bush does, but I'll take him over Putin any day. Bush also now has a house of democrats that keep him in line now. It was when they had the house and presidential that scared me. Thats never good. Carol

This is very true. It is time to have a leader tell President Putin to back off. Funny as he's saying Poland can't have anti missle, doesn't he anounce the best one money can build Friday. Build by paying a US spy for USA information. Ya right we should all trust him. LOL Carol, USA

Bully is an understatement, I see down right threats. If Poland gets anti missle. Yet, whats this Pres. Putin's new toy. He must have forgotten he had this in the works. Carol

Pantsir-S1 tests were completed last monthNovember 30, 2007, 9:42
Russian Pantsir-S1 – best air defence money can buy
Russia’s latest short range air defence system, the Pantsir-S1, is the new pride of the Russian military industry. The сombined SAM/gun system can kill any air target, except ballistic missiles.



http://russiatoday.ru/features/news/17783

personally, i'd be more ware of russia then germany. i think you can have a sensible conversation with the germans.. not so with the putins.. i think kaczynski was making bad inrows by spouting crap about the germans.. being tough with them is one thing but just willy nilly talking trash is somewhat uncalled for. we need someone to get tough with the ruskies.. i am so glad our border shrunk considerably from what it used to be.. we now have way more of a buffer.

and as to the missiles.. i sure hope PL gets them.. we don't need to appease russia.. none at all.. if anything we need to be ready to defend ourselves. i wouldn't count on NATO or anybody else. let's learn from our rich history, ok?

I would personally leave that to others. If somebody wants to get tough on Russia (for what ever reason) then go ahead, let them get into that mess. But why should we get tough on them? For what reason?



IMHO we shouldn't get the missiles. It does not solve any problems instead creates new ones.



Our government got tough on Russia in 30's and when war started they were first to leave the country.

what problems will that create? i really want to know your perspective.

tough: i don't mean attacking but definitely protecting ourselves from them.. i am pretty happy about that relationship right now but we'll see what mr. tusk will do.

MHO is different. There is no point bending over for Russians. Only that would create more problems than they already did. It hasn't been that long since the last time the West tried to appease the rusikies. The effect was Poland's occupation by the USSR.


That had nothing to do with the 30's. Soviets were nagging Germans about possible attack on Poland as early as 1919. Germans refused.

It will only further antagonize Russia and isolate us in Europe. Everybody else, except us (and probably Lithuania) has good political and economic relations with Russia. What do we really gain by installing these missiles on our territory? They will not protect us from possible (or not) Russian attack, will they? Why should we stand out and start a new little war with Russia when leaders of other European countries shake hands with Putin and build new oil pipes behind our backs? Really, we do not need this. If our economy, military and political position was strong enough, then sure we could stand-up and tell Putin what we really think about him and his government.

I don't want us to bend over either but it would be highly unwise to provoke them now especially when we DO NOT NEED these missiles.

don't bend over for russia, but bend over for uncle sam? i can't believe the degree to which people will blindly trust the devil just so they can thumb their nose at satan. Neither the US or Russia has Poland's best interests at heart-fact. The US leaders are actively empire building now and Russian leaders are Russians.

Poland is part of the EU, that is the missle defence system for this country-economic warfare and reprucussions no country could face from this trading block. So stop bending over for others just to pick up a sword, it is a sign of being an international lapdog.