Putin says, "poking their snotty Polish noses" into Russia's affairs?

OMG thats what was said in WW11 when Stalin told US and Britian not to help Poland from invading Germany. Well, we all know the outcome.


What was it that Churchill called him, "Uncle Joe"(Stalin). I don't know if you were aware of that and used "Uncle Sam"at this time.

This is like the child that is spoiled because it always get it's way. I am sure "Putin" stop pushing Poland around if they listen to his demands. Screw that, let Pres. Putin deal with the fact that Poland is free and it's not his choice what they do.

Did you read the part about Putin building the newest anti missle one. Please don't ignor this obviouse superior role example. Oh that right thats Putin,the all knowing, lets not antagonize the bully, his country may attack again. This time Poland is not asleep and USA is watching.
Carol

OMG there is no duel threat from nazi germany and russia and OMG Poland is in an alliance with all of Western Europe. OMG what's your point?



Yeah i was aware of the western leaders' affinity for Ol Joe
quote from Harry Truman: "If we see that Germany is winning we ought help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany that way let them kill as many as possible."

Further sentiments by Truman "Ol Joe (Stalin)...a decent fellow [who] can't do what he wants to [as] he's a prisoner of the Politburo.

Well if the past is a record to go by then neither of the US nor Russia have Poland's interests at heart here.


Nobody's pushing poland around and it's funny that the main people who are saying this live in the US so are looking at this through very murky waters.

interesting. where is this being built?
i am not insinuating that Poland would be attacked and hope that you aren't either as that is fear mongering and a very dishonest approach to advocating an arguement. There hasn't been any threat since the 90's hence no need for this ridiculous base. If there were an attack I am quite certain the blueprint for it would originate in or near Washington.

This posturing and sword rattling you and American policy makers are promoting is stirring the pot and puts Poland in the hot seat. I suppose that's fine from where you're sitting as it's another way to burden another country with the consequences of US Imperialism. But Poland is an EU member not a US colony and this Uncle Sam boot licking doesn't improve it's position within the European community, but it only increases an unnecessary American presence.

For the record I am not a fan of Russian foreign policy but (for good reasons) even less so of American "diplomacy." Comprendez vous?

Take it easy. Nobody is licking anybody's boots. The US was the only country that REALLY helped Poland to become an independent country. I can understand why some European countries criticize “Uncle Sam” for war in Iraq (they are probably right about it) but there is no need to become hateful towards “Uncle Sam” as we may need him some day again.

Keep in mind. If it wasn't for that "Uncle Sam" Europe wouldn't be what it is right now (a free, prosperous continent).

Has it crossed your mind that we are here in the USA due to "Stalin".
It has been built and Friday Russia unvieled it.

Right, like the other wars I take it.
Sorry but Russia and Germany put us here. Remember when they took our country and made it theirs.

Carol

Did you even read the truman quote? I'm sorry but you're just not capable of seeing the bigger picture here. I should have stayed away and i most definitely shouldn't be wasting my time with the rest of my response.


"Where" was my question, not "who" but don't bother replying, it's clear you're not seeing any form of reason on this and it's very likely you think the same about me.



ummm yeah, i suppose that's where the plans for most of America's invasions in the last 40-50 years have come from.


again, you completely ignored any and all points I brought up and ignore your own points when they work against you. and bring up something completely irrelevent for the sake of sentiment and rhetoric.

For a while i thought you were taking the pi$$ as i didn't think you were serious. Reason being i have listed a ton of reasons why this is a bad idea but rather than addressing them you go back to your: Russia=bad guys US=good guys arguement, it is child like.

right now i regret engaging you in any form of discourse on this matter. I hope we can discuss in the future but on this topic we really have to take a step back as this is completely pointless and not in any way constructive.

i gotta fly but try investigating the good uncle's involvement in europe leading up to the war. Where did the nazi war machine get it's funding. Go look back at those truman quotes.

I would be willing to engage you at a later date. But there was nothing inherently "hateful" in the quote you took from me. This issue is an example of Polish leaders ready to tongue some US stink hole. hey i think that sucks, especially on a crusty old dude like uncle sam.

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http://russiatoday.ru/features/news/17783

When was this?

dude.. the americans were helping us all along while we were ****** by the reds.

foreigner.. man, why do you roll over so freaking quickly? you make some good points but just like you point out others' mogering you tend to be way too trusting.. learn from history. poland needs "teeth".. that's all there is to it. look into what happened over the centuries when poland didn't have any..

During Regan's presidency the US provided Solidarity with money, supplies, diplomatic and political support. This support combined with economic sanctions ultimately led to the collapse of the communist regime and Poland becoming an independent country.

Yes, you are right. I for one have made errors when posting in here. This makes posting difficult because instead of corrections we hear the insults. I don't understand why we can't learn from each other? Insults make the ones standing up for Poland, not bother to talk. Therefore I say to the ones reading and not posting,

Please help and make a stand for the Polish people that survived against the odds.

Carol, USA

look plk123, poland has been getting on quite well without baring its "teeth" as you call it. Look I really have no objection to poland building a missle base other than it's a huge waste of tax resources and completely unnecessary as it is,for the last time, PART OF THE EU-THE STRONGEST TRADING BLOCK IN THE WORLD-THAT'S ITS DEFENCE!! Comprender muchacho?

K**** M*** i am not surprised you're war mongering cause your safe and sound in the usof a-notorious origins of many a policy that stirs s*** up abroad, while its citizens are safe from any danger. But for the love of pete, learn to read, i'm against the idea you support because of the points i've mentioned and for the fact it WOULDN'T BE POLISH.

There is a very proven correlation between baring teeth and then suddenly having them kicked in. This base would simply be a target for anyone wanting to give uncle sam a black eye and by proxy Poland would then become a target.

Your in favour of an american missle base in poland? what for? what could this possibly prevent? is poland under threat from any of its neighbors? what about the other countries in the vicinity, are they under threat too? if so from whom?

Think about american military projection in the middle east, first of all it shouldn't be there, secondly these become symbols to rally against from elements within the country or abroad. you put a base there and then it becomes a target and is attacked, this scenario has been played out.

If you build it, they will come.

I've posted a slew of points -go back and read them and address each one and we can play. Until you do that, what we have here is akin to you presenting me with an ant and me smashing it with a sledge hammer. You come back and insist the ant isn't dead repeatedly, so i repeatedly smash it with a variety of sledge hammers to show you it is dead.



And it was all done so out of the goodness of the administration's hearts right? absolutely nothing to be gained for american "interests" right? c'mon, i was born at night but not last night.

*edited for spelling*

man, you exagorate

I didn`t sow anything about Putin`s statement "poking their snotty Polish noses" in article. As I sow it was about USA. I personaly think that USA just need to sh** up and to immediately initiate investigation about deals between USA politicians and Arabic mujaheednies and terrorists (that as first, among else).

There is enough of antagonisms between Poles and Russians and won`t help if somebody spread lies about some senzacionalistic Putin`s statements which never happened BDW (no matter that we know that Putin isn`t perfect- far from that).

as long as you can sleep at night i guess i'll live with it. damn right i am not really worried about the russians for myself as they have 0 effect on me and my life.. if they come and eff my family up back in PL i'll effing find your arse first and tell you "i told you so" and then some.. :D :D

now to make poland a real safe place-exit iraq now!

how about this ... in braking news ...

``Polish soldiers on Kosovo decided not to fight side by side with mujaheedines and protected bus full with Serbian children when they were assaulted. When NATO commander intervened on behalf of his mujaheedine friends, one nervous Polish soldier spat in his face. USA and German troops then attacked Poles who immediately retreated in Ukrainian camp and offered combined answer to attackers. After few hours of suddenly battle, Serbian reinforcement arrived and clear the field from remaining NATO-muajahedine forces. So, when Russians arrived everything was finished already and Russian commander protested because `party was finished without them`, while Slovakia even sent official diplomatic note to Serbia, demanding that any future party should include Slovak soldiers who like good party, too.``


Imagine effects on Polish security :)

I am aware of the many forces arrayed around Poland...I merely state that Poland should be very careful with the US, especially with the Bush & Clinton families...I also
advocate Polish developement of some independent nuclear capacity, for peaceful purposes, of course.

very very interesting

[quote=Foreigner4] now to make poland a real safe place-exit iraq now!



Do you see USA men dying, If USA did not go to Iraq we would hear we didn't help. Whats that USA Sept. 11 didn't hurt you. Only history will tell if USA going into Iraq was for the positive. Personally I am glad Saddam is not able to kill as freely anymore. Maybe if it was your son trying to help another country? Carol, I was born in USA because of corrupt leader.

check your history books and tell me how saddam came to power in the first place. Look up the history of coups leading to baath power, the kickbacks, skimmed funds, arms deals and quelling any iraqi coups that might have led to his overthrow before the us invasion. When you find this information, feel free to change your opinion and i'll congratulate you on becoming a more informed person.


Iraq? logical conclusion? connection to Poland? no, none and none.
Are you honestly telling me that you don't believe this war is to promote the long term interests of a select few corporations and not the good of the iraqi people? Are you actually telling me that? Think carefully on that, are you absolutely sure that is your honest conclusion?

Remember, just because they're wearing uniforms, does not mean they aren't terrorists.

And just because some guy wears a suit, doesn't mean he isn't a criminal.

Let me recommend Arundhati Roy; put simply, she is amazing. I came upon her by chance and i actually got goosebumps. She is eloquent and persuasive, yet also concise.

here's one video and i must apologize and admit that i am crap at embedding and simply haven't taken the time to learn but at least the link should be provided for you.

Crow,

This may help other to understand your view's.

Polish – Russian relation, from the angle of Serbs

http://www.polishforums.com/polish_russian_relation_angle-34_6248_0.ht ml

More about Dragon Order

imperialclub.net/orderofthedragon.htm

I agree with joepilsudski, Poland could use some nuclear capacity to gain some clout. They could just put forward the argument of Iran that it is for positive ends. France and the UK have, so why not Poland? U don't need to possess the nuclear capabilities of a superpower, just enough to sound some alarm bells for those who see Poland as a pushover. It would also trigger a redefining of positions.

Seanus wrote:

Poland could use some nuclear capacity to gain some clout. They could just put forward the argument of Iran that it is for positive ends. France and the UK have, so why not Poland? U don't need to possess the nuclear capabilities of a superpower, just enough to sound some alarm bells for those who see Poland as a pushover. It would also trigger a redefining of positions

Exactly true...Poland should have an independent nuclear technology, not as a threat, but because it is part of a modern technological society...you see, I understand Poland's
affinity with Europe...I have talked to some Polish-American immigrants over the past few years, and their feeling is that Poland should integrate into Europe, as a counterbalance to Russia, who the Poles I speak with regard as more of an 'Asiatic' culture...but, Russia is also a Slavic culture, and Poland shares a certain heritage with
other Slavic nations...also, many Poles still equate Russia with the Soviet Union...so,
possibly the answer is lean toward Europe, but don't forget Russia, and, remember to
put Polish interests first.

Old associations never die. The Soviet Union held a tight grip of Poland for so long so Putin can take his comment and shove it. What these superpowers all too often forget is that they have these weapons, for what? Protection? Maybe we should take solace in the words of Bush, "It's negative to think about blowing each other up. That's not a positive thought. That's a Cold War thought. That's a thought when people were enemies with each other."

Ah it's a typical polish exaltation to over-stress somebodies expression, to show all the significance of polish existance. But I want to assure you that there was nothing anti-Polish in this Putin's speach, there was no any mention about Poland.

Seanus wrote:

What these superpowers all too often forget is that they have these weapons, for what? Protection? Maybe we should take solace in the words.

Well, think about this...There are forces in the US who want honest citizens to give up their guns in the names of 'reducing crime' and 'non-violence'...but you see, criminals will always have weapons, but if the law-abiding citizen gives up their right to protect themselves, what protection is left?...it is not the duty, legally, for police to protect individual citizens...in a larger sense, this would be like asking the UN to 'protect' individual nations from attacks...Nations should have as strong a defense force as possible, because this deters the lawbreakers.

That's the position u have found urselves in tho!! Once in, no looking back. For us, it's just a radical way of going about feeling safe. U have to question why other nations don't use guns on a large scale. I would never envision me in Japan walking around with a gun, for what? Anyway, the thread. Some comments are best left ignored.

Seanus wrote:

U have to question why other nations don't use guns on a large scale. I would never envision me in Japan walking around with a gun, for what?

You make good points, and let me answer this way: Japan is an ancient mono-cultural society, where there is a strong, established system of morality & traditions...also, it has traditionally been a very authoritarian society which discourages individual 'freedoms'...the UK is a 'neo-socialist' society that has increasingly been discouraging the same individual rights in favor od state-control in many areas...also, both of these societies for many years had no problems with immigration, which is what I meant by 'mon-cultural'...when you have a nation with a dominant majority tribal group,
you have less crime...oversimplified, maybe, but an explanation.

Ur points are more than valid Sir. The Japanese have an idiom to this very day, the nail that sticks up gets hammered down. They are, as u said, a very homogenous culture and attempts to penetrate their core (I did have some success in penetration, hehehe) are futile. Being a 'gaijin' is ur standing there. America has experienced a greater shift in that state control is beginning to override and take precedence over individual freedoms. The original essence of the constitution has been diluted. This right to bear arms was a much vaunted one that has led to its glorification by rappers and other groups. Some have fallen by the wayside (Tupac RIP) in the process. I believe my friends tho when they say that they feel safe in America and that incidents of gun crime are often exaggerated. It's the potential that is worrying tho. Anyway, we should get back to the point. Russia has wound up EU countries for some time now and have followed a cautious, yet potentially dangerous path in international relations with Iran especially. I think the majority of Poles would side with America in international disputes. Those in Zakopane who receive substantial handouts from their families in Chicago would agree, I surmise. Poland still has some self-actualisation to do and standing up to Russia features as part of the program.

Seanus wrote:

They are, as u said, a very homogenous culture and attempts to penetrate their core (I did have some success in penetration, hehehe) are futile. Being a 'gaijin' is ur standing there

I congradulate you on your succesful 'penetration'...did you find that the Japanese fairer
sex have an open attitude toward relations with 'gaijin' men?