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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  Apr 28, 08, 17:31  #1



In Scandinavia women are naked.


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Seanus GOLD MEMBER
  Apr 28, 08, 17:35  #2

Why doesn't he talk properly? ;)

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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  Apr 28, 08, 17:41  #3

Sweden - Islam's Victory in Europe



Malmo Police face to face with the Multicultural society



http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-an d.html

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polishcanuck
  Apr 29, 08, 09:05  #4

"50 million muslims in Europe"

That's scary. European politicians need to revise their immigration policies.

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ArcticPaul
  Apr 29, 08, 10:19  #5

What he says about the Bible is, essentially, true.
It didn't crystalize into a recognizable form until the 4th century. By then the apostles were long dead and their words had morphed from Aramaic to Hebrew to Greek to Latin. How much was lost/added in translation is impossible to say.
Then we have the various Protestant versions. We Anglicans use the King James 1st version (1603-162?).
In contrast the Koran is word perfect to the original (If what I have been informed is true).

Unfortunately with all religious texts the vagueness allows multiple interpretations of the same writings. This is why a minority of Muslims can justify mass murder of innocents whilst most Islamic scholars feel they owe a debt of loyalty to the west for providing freedom of religion (See: Covenant of Security).

IMHO the Danish cartoonist who first drew the prophet was insensitive to the point of stupidity or deliberately causing trouble. And the Muslims who have made such a big deal of it all are adding fuel to the fire.
The 99.999% of us who just want to get along find ourselves being sucked to polar opposites. We become advocates for 'freedom of speech' or believers in 'cultural respect' but, really, a little common sense and tolerance would have prevented this situation from developing at all.

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Krzysztof
  Apr 29, 08, 10:40  #6

ArcticPaul:
In contrast the Koran is word perfect to the original (If what I have been informed is true).

The fact that a religion is younger (hence has more accurate quotes from its founder) doesn't make it any better or closer to the truth (Did Buddha leave any writings?). And that's the impression I got from Kadafi's speech. Not to mention the weak joke about "In God we trust" on the dollars.

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z_darius
  Apr 29, 08, 10:43  #7

Krzysztof:
Not to mention the weak joke about "In God we trust" on the dollars.

and this is nothing in comparison to "Allahu Akbar" while sawing off alive the head of an innocent hostage.

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plk123
Edited by: plk123  Apr 29, 08, 11:03  #8

z_darius:
innocent hostage.

invader man. not innocent from their side of things.

i actually see the danish cartoon as agood thing overall. it stirred up things but in the long run that was a good thing.

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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  Apr 29, 08, 13:59  #9

England - Islam Victory in Europe



CNN reports about "Londonstan"
Londonstan Sharia Law ; Islam holy war in the Great Britain]



A known British Mullah Mr. Anjum Chaudri describes the "Killing of Innocent" Non-Muslims civilians in the suicide bombing as "Legitimate".
The Killings of Non-Muslims is Legitimate (British Mullah)



This is what kind of people are being allowed to immigrate to England and given British passports.

Btw, in England - more then 63% of muslims support Radical Islam and terror acts.

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southern
  Apr 29, 08, 14:08  #10

Crnogorac:
Killing of Non-Muslims is Legitimate (British Mullah)


I saw a video of a british mujahendeen in Bosnia claiming the same.

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plk123
  Apr 29, 08, 14:35  #11

SO, HOW COME uk IS LETTING THIS GUY PREACH? HE'S BE IN GITMO BY NOW IF THAT WAS IN THE US.

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JuliePotocka
Edited by: JuliePotocka  Apr 29, 08, 16:27  #12

...anyone want a lovely cup of tea, with honey and milk in it?

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Crnogorac
  Apr 29, 08, 17:00  #13

What are the western countries doing and it is their own soil that this evil is spawned on:


Muslims Will Rule America, Britain

southern:
I saw a video of a british mujahendeen in Bosnia claiming the same.


pay attention which evil is groomed in the heart of Europe:



not for weak hearted-if you can't stand Islamic extremist animals, don't watch.

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plk123
  Apr 29, 08, 21:08  #14

ok gorac, how do you feel about it? are you happy or pissed because i can't really tell. sure looks like former yugoslavia kind of catapulted this 'expansion' of islam. england seems to also breed a lot of extremists.

i think openness is a good thing but this PC thing has gotta go. i think being PC is actually what has led to the situation we see today.

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ArcticPaul
  Apr 30, 08, 00:55  #15

Krzysztof:
The Koran isn't that much older than the Bible. Especially when you consider that their Prophet actually played a major part in creating the final product.
Christ was long gone when the Bible became complete. I doubt Jesus would recognise any form of Christianity as being much to do with the things he preached.

As for Islamic Fanatics. I try to explain it on socio-political cause and effect BUT then I hear some Western born and educated person going on about '...martydom ...Allah's reward of seventy-two virgins waiting for them in paradise.'!
That's when I really get scared.
How can rational, educated people believe these things?

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DoubleClick
Edited by: DoubleClick  Apr 30, 08, 05:31  #16

Its more to do with personality than religion imo, if You are a sick person looking for reasons to hate other human beings you would find one and it can be religion, race, nation, color etc. imho
of course religion would be better option followed by race as You can find more people like You around to form a bigger group ;)

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IronsE11
  Apr 30, 08, 05:36  #17

ArcticPaul:
How can rational, educated people believe these things?


They don't. Anyone who believes this is neither rational nor educated by definition.

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ArcticPaul
  Apr 30, 08, 10:39  #18

IronsE11:
They don't. Anyone who believes this is neither rational nor educated by definition.

The 7/7 London Suicide bombers had a member who was a primary school teacher. Born and raised in West Yorkshire.
He was a similar age to myself and must have had a similar education at a state run comprehensive.
There would be a form of comfort in knowing all these guys were lunatics, or naive enough to be manipulated by puppet masters BUT some are motivated and intelligent.
For centuries Britain had Catholic martyrs, willing to die for religious causes they strongly believed in. I try to look for history repeating itself. Maybe there are lessons to be learned from the events of former times?

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tornado2007
  Apr 30, 08, 11:11  #19

ALL RELIGION IS FULL OF STORIES, I DON'T CARE HOW YOU LOOK AT IT AND WHICH RELIGION IT IS. THEY ARE ALL AIMED AT CONTROL, THAT IS THAT.

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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  Apr 30, 08, 11:51  #20

tornado2007:
ALL RELIGION IS FULL OF STORIES, I DON'T CARE HOW YOU LOOK AT IT AND WHICH RELIGION IT IS. THEY ARE ALL AIMED AT CONTROL, THAT IS THAT.


So few words and so many crap.

First of all question of religion and faith is not the issue of this thread. Issue is another Islamic push into Europe through unregulated immigration, "independent Bosnia and Kosovo", Turkey's eventual membership in the EU. And we don't need liberal leftiest provocateurs like you here babbling against faith of majority of white people. Europe indeed was a center of the world when it was Christian. It began to lose it's power with advancing of processes like secularisation and liberalism. Until nowadays when poor confused souls like you are wandering around not knowing what to think. But don't worry. Obviously somebody else is thinking for you and tells you "your" oppinion. Sentence like the one above is too stupid to even argue with it. You should renew common school knowledge before trying to look smart.

plk123:
ok gorac, how do you feel about it? are you happy or pissed because i can't really tell.


Second I was pretty clear in my post so I am not going to explain you what I wrote before. So if you are having problems with understanding written words perhaps you should find some other way to entertain yourself.

@ tornado2007

Religion is a corner stone of our lifes. But what do you know about values. You are probably only interested in partying and watching reality shows.

Faith is, allways was and will allways be necessary in everybodies life. People who don't have faith are confused and lost just like you. And obviously you do not realize difference between faith and religion. But one can't expect that from brainwashed and narrowminded (or not very smart) "new age" creature. Or from somebody who only came here only to provoke. Either way, why don't you go back to some "modern", "liberal" and "enlightened" forum where you can spit on faith and traditional values together with other brainwashed zombies like yourself.

Maybe the new "masters of the world" (and of you poor empty mind) would like that faith (again, faith not religion - religion only comes out of faith) was dead. And through their propaganda they are trying to convince confused people like you that it is so. But our Christian faith lives and will live forever. And only one thing.

Again you are trying to look smart, but managed only to show your poor education.

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plk123
Edited by: plk123  Apr 30, 08, 12:19  #21

DoubleClick:


Its more to do with personality than religion imo, if You are a sick person looking for reasons to hate other human beings you would find one and it can be religion, race, nation, color etc. imho
of course religion would be better option followed by race as You can find more people like You around to form a bigger group ;)
NOPE. it all has to do with religion and the stuff put into people's heads by the mulahs.

IronsE11:
They don't. Anyone who believes this is neither rational nor educated by definition.

you may redefine your definition then because that is not always the case.

Crnogorac:
Second I was pretty clear in my post so I am not going to explain you what I wrote before. So if you are having problems with understanding written words perhaps you should find some other way to entertain yourself.

ok, i guess you are in support of the islamic spread then because your writing could be taken as either way. cool.

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JuliePotocka
Edited by: JuliePotocka  Apr 30, 08, 12:21  #22

72 RAISINS! 72 RAISINS! Geez, doesn't anyone actually read the Koran anymore, or just listen to bastardized sermons anymore!? It's either drink fiery brimstone, or be in heaven, and drink a nice cool, 72 Raisin drink - no virgins. People just don't read or do research, and the guys and gals are dying - over a RAISIN drink.

Kind of warps perspectives, doesn't it? Funny, yet sad...bet they wouldn't kill themselves if they knew it wasn't any virgins waiting for them.
72 Raisin drink

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southern
  Apr 30, 08, 13:13  #23

JuliePotocka:
72


Can you imagine the shock that waits them if they find that the 72 alleged virgins who wait for them in heaven are in fact 71?

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plk123
  Apr 30, 08, 13:19  #24

this martydom really has nothing to do with virgins or raisins or whatever. it has to do with jihad and that is all.

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southern
  Apr 30, 08, 13:21  #25

Howver I thnk it is quite different to wait for 72 virgins instead for dozens of Serbs and Cossaks with their penises hanging out.

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osiol GOLD MEMBER
  Apr 30, 08, 13:51  #26

The Bible was superseded by the Koran?
The missing gospel that says Christians should have been waiting for someone like Mohammed?

Well, the Koran may have been superseded by something else.
There were warnings that there would be another prophet. Perhaps he's been and gone, and his teachings will arise, given time. All religions take time from their conception to their flourishing.

To say that the Bible is corrupt, how about the things in the Koran that don't match up?
Maybe they're all a bunch of arse right from the start.

I'm now off to book a holiday in Scandinavia.

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ArcticPaul
Edited by: ArcticPaul  Apr 30, 08, 14:40  #27

Personally I don't believe any religious arguments. Not islamic Fundamentalist, Not Protestant Evangelist, Not Orthodox, Coptic, Catholic, Hindu, Jain, Buddhist........

But I do accept that the words in the Koran are virtually unchanged from the day they were first put to paper whilst ALL varieties of the Christian Bible have undergone huge and radical change to endorse hundreds of different political and economic agenda's.

Yet all these 'extreme believers' sound the same.
they are the only one's with ALL THE ANSWERS.
The one's who can do murder (or any number of atrocities) and still be righteous.

IMO the planet would be a better place if everyone shared the atheistist idea that we are here for one and only one lifetime and it is precious. Our own and other people's.
Funnily enough Crnogorac is starting to take on a little of this attitude...
"Religion is a cornerstone of our lives...."
Not mine. So am I less important than you?
Am I Godless scum because I choose not to believe the abstract writing of an age when people believed the earth was flat and science was so lacking you could die from a broken arm?

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plk123
  Apr 30, 08, 14:47  #28

osiol:
Maybe they're all a bunch of arse right from the start.

well, ol muhammed did spend time in a cave and hallucinated the koran.

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Foreigner4
Edited by: Foreigner4  May 1, 08, 03:22  #29

Crnogorac:
But don't worry. Obviously somebody else is thinking for you and tells you "your" oppinion. Sentence like the one above is too stupid to even argue with it. You should renew common school knowledge before trying to look smart.

Crnogorac:
So few words and so many crap.


Why bash the guy for stating his opinion on religion?
Why assume he's a leftist?
I'm as conservative as they come on immigration and state intervention yet I am completely uncompelled by religion- in which nice and neat political checkbox should I be fitted into?
If everyone were were all of one religion would that really change anything in the world?

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marekdamski
  May 1, 08, 04:32  #30

In regards to this post can i comment:

Islam is a religion which is slightly different then others as it governs the individuals life in a complete sense (this is my opinion) it is unique as it finds a balance between the physical and spiritual world hence during their prayer they conduct actions along with words. it is individual and group again in their prayer they pray in collection but are engaged individually #(they cannot talk or look around). now comes the side that us westerners are used to - violence. i agree there is an element of violence and the reasons this occurs are vast. i wrote a thesis on the recent tragedies in Palestine and Iraq and Afghanistan and Kashmir, i found a link between British and European Muslims they felt that their people were being troubled without cause. there is violence in this religion but form my understanding as a last resort. they have a leader their prophet Muhammad and during this gentleman's life there were wars but many many mo acts of passion, the wars were instigated by the opposition. i feel passionate towards this religion and this has come from years of studying and mingling with people. Islam accepts diversity i think we should as well.

the quran is a truly phenomenal book it should be read with an open mind and patience.

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