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A Question of Honor: The Kosciuszko Squadron: Forgotten Heroes of WWII


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Oct 7, 07, 13:30  #1

erwrrgh

Poles during WWII, writen by Americans : Lynne Olson (Author), Stanley Cloud (Author)

"Poles will read this book with a melancholy mixture of pride and anger, Britons and Americans with an uneasy combination of admiration for the Poles and shame at their own nations' conduct"

more detials (on the bottom of this web page there are opinions about this book) :

amazon.com/Question-Honor-Kosciuszko-Squadron-Forgotten/dp/ 037572625X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-5403152-5550827?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=119 1781461&sr=8-1


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isthatu
  Oct 7, 07, 17:15  #2

Its called "For your Freedom and ours" in the UK editions lukasz,and a cracking good read it is too. A great introduction to Polish mid 20th C history as it deals with far more than just the PAF.


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isthatu
  Oct 7, 07, 17:16  #3

oh,and I dont think shame for our nations conduct comes from it at all lukasz. Embaresment at the way some of our Politicians treeted Poland maybe but hardly shame for those who faught alongside Poles.


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Lukasz
  Oct 7, 07, 17:53  #4

it wasnt mine worlds thats why I used " "


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ajgraham
  Oct 7, 07, 18:46  #5

The book is an excuse for your Country being Hammered by the Germans in a few weeks!....So lets go and steal someone elses victory!!.......Now go away and leave the rest of us alone!

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Grzegorz_
Edited by: Grzegorz_  Oct 7, 07, 18:47  #6




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ajgraham
  Oct 7, 07, 19:11  #7

Ok Greg....I'm glad the Poles seem to like Blackadder (ww1) as much as us Brits.....They might look like idiots... .but they played a very big part in ending that war aswell!!......Not like poor old Poland.....Flat out on its back as usual!!

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debbieeastland
  Oct 7, 07, 19:36  #8

Quoting: ajgraham
The book is an excuse for your Country being Hammered by the Germans in a few weeks!....So lets go and steal someone elses victory!!.......Now go away and leave the rest of us alone!


ouch ouch ouch slap slap slap did you feel that? i hope you did grrrrrrrrr lol.


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Matyjasz
Edited by: Matyjasz  Oct 8, 07, 10:47  #9

Quoting: ajgraham
Ok Greg....I'm glad the Poles seem to like Blackadder (ww1) as much as us Brits.....They might look like idiots... .but they played a very big part in ending that war aswell!!......Not like poor old Poland.....Flat out on its back as usual!!



Easy there aj, take a deep breath and count to 10. :)


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Oh, before I forget, this book wasnt written by Poles.


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isthatu
  Oct 8, 07, 14:08  #10

Quoting: ajgraham
The book is an excuse for your Country being Hammered by the Germans in a few weeks!....

eh,wtf? have you read it?(btw,they held out as long as the combined might of the BEF,French/belgium and Dutch armies in the west)

Quoting: ajgraham
!....So lets go and steal someone elses victory!!


again,wtf? My Grandfather flew Hurricanes in the RAF during the Battle of Britain and even he would gladly tell you that the Polish Sqdrns accounted for the highest tally against the Hun,shmuck.

Quoting: ajgraham
Ok Greg....I'm glad the Poles seem to like Blackadder (ww1) as much as us Brits.....They might look like idiots... .but they played a very big part in ending that war aswell!!......Not like poor old Poland.....Flat out on its back as usual!!


Did no one ever point out that Poland was only an indipendant country AFTER WW1,so to say flat on its back during the war is ill educated and plain wrong(btw,Poles faught on every side in ww1,look it up,you may be interested....)


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lesser
  Oct 30, 07, 18:49  #11

I have read the book and I liked very much. Nice history plus authors provide many details about shadows of politics.

Of course if Germany would invade UK in first place and US and Soviet Union stay aside, British army would be crushed.


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stepheng
  Oct 30, 07, 19:08  #12

Quoting: isthatu

again,wtf? My Grandfather flew Hurricanes in the RAF during the Battle of Britain and even he would gladly tell you that the Polish Sqdrns accounted for the highest tally against the Hun,shmuck.


This is true. In the early days of the Battle of Britain the RAF was on the defensive heavily as the Luftwaffe was bombing the air bases. They would have won if Hitler hadn't have changed his mind and started focusing on attacking London instead of keeping up the attacks on the RAF's bases...

Britain had plenty of planes which were easy to replace but too few pilots so they sent too many men up there who were really untrained and inexperienced. The Polish pilots were generally better trained and had experience as they had been fighting the Germans already before they joined the RAF's efforts.

At the end of the day Britain joined the war because of Poland and the tragedy was the aftermath of that conflict.


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Daniel U [Guest]
  Nov 14, 07, 18:51  #13

Hi all

For an excellent discussion of the Polish contribution to the B of B (including actual data on kill ratios) please read "The Forgotten Few" by Adam Zamoyski.

For the doubters, there is a quote on the front or back cover by Mallory or Dowding which paraphrased says "but for the contribution of the Polish airmen I hesitate to think the outcome would have been the same" - I think that speaks for itself really.

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eric_the_nave
  Nov 15, 07, 14:04  #14

Quoting: Lukasz
Poles during WWII, writen by Americans : Lynne Olson (Author), Stanley Cloud (Author)

"Poles will read this book with a melancholy mixture of pride and anger, Britons and Americans with an uneasy combination of admiration for the Poles and shame at their own nations' conduct"


And the occassional Aussie will enjoy it partly because it has a go at Americans and British.......

On a serious note I picked this book up a couple of years ago on a visit to Krakow. As someone who knew precious little about Polish history it was an awesome book, easy to read (I finished it in two days - normally takes me more than a month to read a book) and very informative. I'd recommend it to anyone.

Also it encouraged me to read more about Poland's history afterwards.

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celinski
  Nov 17, 07, 10:02  #15

Another great video is, "A forgotten Odyssey" by Jagna Wright or "The other story" . Jagna passed away this year and she will be missed. I thank you for the link.
Anders Army tells of the strength of the Polish fighter. Half starved men given amnesty from Russia, some just barley alive in 1942 set up a fighting team like no other on Russia soil. With no weapons they had to use self made wooden guns to practice drills. They went on to fight and win many battles. What we must remember is how many Polish fighters were killed (unarmed and tricked) in "Katyn" and eastern Poland, (unarmed reserve front line) farmers 1940. Then once more 1943 in eastern Poland, SS,Ukraine , savagly
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killing unarmed farmers.


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Grzegorz_
  Nov 17, 07, 10:30  #16

Thanks.


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El Gato
  Dec 1, 07, 20:24  #17

This book is my favorite ever. I loved every minute of it and I think it should definitely be made into a movie. Hopefully someone with some cash can do a cinematic debut some justice. I'm just praying someone like Spielberg or Clint Eastwood reads this book some time soon.


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isthatu
  Dec 2, 07, 06:15  #18

Quoting: El Gato
I'm just praying someone like Spielberg or Clint Eastwood reads this book some time soon.

What,so every charector can be american,and everyone flies P51s coz they look better.....lord save us from another of Speilbergs attempts at a history lesson,please.
Mind you,Clint,now he's a director.


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