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Racism in poland - the future


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jareck [Guest]
  Oct 16, 07, 08:46  #1

The promotion of tolerance and cultural pluralism is increasingly evident in Poland and is being addressed by ever larger numbers of both state and voluntary organizations as well as the media generally. Acts of discrimination against minority groups are more frequently than in the past exposed to widespread condemnation. Furthermore, public declarations by Polish politicians and religious officials about the need to combat antisemitism and all forms of intolerance are more frequent and more forceful.

http://www.axt.org.uk/antisem/countries/poland/poland.htm

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AmirahJanowitz [Guest]
  Oct 16, 07, 21:34  #2

jerack I hate anti semtic people. my husband is jewish and his father came from Poland
our last name is Janowitz but in Poland was Yanowitz.
my husband,s father had family killed in the holocoust in Poland.
very few Poles have ever helped out to save jews.the last Pope John Paul11 did I have great respect for.warsaw uprising was fought by few non jewish Poles but mainly Jewish Poles they had contributed so much to Poland before the nazis. there was antisemitism in Poland before them. that is why my husband,s father and his family left Poland for the USA. why are the Poles racist twords jews they were just as much Polish as the non jewish ones were. can you answer this. thanks.

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Pawel M [Guest]
  Oct 16, 07, 22:11  #3

Amirah, get your facts straight. You want to know why SOME Polish people have hate for the jews? It's because we (Polish) get no recognition what so ever for everything we did for them in World War II. We hid them from the Germans. Risked our lives to save them. We fought the Germans, while the Jews hid. Warsaw Uprising. Maybe you should read a book on that. It was the POLISH HOME ARMY comprised of pure Polish that did a lot of the fighting. Was there Jews helping? Yes, of course. Very little though. Please educate yourself before coming on here and spewing ********. Thank you.

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plk123
  Oct 16, 07, 22:24  #4

i think it's all good as long as everybody get's discriminated equally. :D


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polishgirltx [Guest]
  Oct 16, 07, 22:33  #5

Quoting: jareck
Racism in poland - the future

increase

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Eurola
Edited by: Eurola  Oct 16, 07, 23:06  #6

increase? I hope not...at this point there is so much more exposure to other cultures, other races, ethnicity, other foods... I think Poles will just get used to it and accept it.
Will rascism be totally eliminated in Poland or any other country, including the US? I don't think so.

BTW, I'd like to know what also is in the books Amirah read...jeeez


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Oct 17, 07, 03:57  #7

Quoting: polishgirltx
increase


oh yes we have increase of rasist agresion, just because the number of people of other races sharply increase. If there wasnyt any black in town and now there are some, it is logical that inrease is only one posibility just because there wasnt any poeple with other coulour of skin before.

and thicreas can look enormous in few years by 400% from 25 accidents to 100 ...

as to numbers as well as I know we had last year about 100 (38 mln people country) of this accidents and in western european countries there were thousends


Quoting: jareck
axt.org.uk/antisem/countries/poland/poland.htm


and this article look like old aniti Polish propaganda

it isnt funy that author writtes about Polish anti-semits beffore the war, and latter he writte about nazist (without any word about germans) and Deadh camps on Polish soil ... so I find this article not showing the truth. What and sentences like "of course some Poles helped jews" is just example, the fact is that Poles saved the bigest amout of jews even for that there was death penalty, isnt showed here.



""Polish death camp(s)" and "Polish concentration camp(s)" are misleading terms that have appeared in the media in reference to World War II German concentration camps located in German-occupied Poland involved in The Holocaust. Poland was occupied by the Nazis from 1939 to 1945. The Polish government had no administration or political influence over captured territories during this period."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp

as to the true

Watch "Europa Europa" of Agnieszka Holland (Polish Jewish origin)

and "The Pianist" of Polanski (Polish Jewish origin)

situation of jews before the war, during the war and after the war ...


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Kilkline
  Oct 17, 07, 07:48  #8

Quoting: Pawel M
We fought the Germans, while the Jews hid. Warsaw Uprising. Maybe you should read a book on that. It was the POLISH HOME ARMY comprised of pure Polish that did a lot of the fighting. Was there Jews helping? Yes, of course. Very little though.


I wouldnt call it hiding per se. The Jews in Warsaw were walled up in a ghetto by the Nazis and basically starved to death. Despite this they managed to stage an effective and extremely brave uprising. The jews did play a part in the Warsaw uprising however their numbers were limited as their ghetto had already been liquidated.


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randompal
  Oct 17, 07, 09:40  #9

Quoting: Lukasz
oh yes we have increase of rasist agresion, just because the number of people of other races sharply increase

other than occasional stupid ignorant comments you dont see this often, especially in big cities. in the warsaw school where I work we have a few non-poles but they never experience any problems..


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Lukasz
  Oct 17, 07, 09:49  #10

Quoting: randompal
other than occasional stupid ignorant comments you dont see this often, especially in big cities. in the warsaw school where I work we have a few non-poles but they never experience any problems..


yes yes ... but in all countries there are some racist and it is sure. But when we take for example small town where there no other nations/races, so the only posibility after coming some non -poles is that nothing is going to change or increase (single one accident is increase) .

We have in Poland (38 mln people) 100 racist accidents in whole year when we look in other EU countries stats it is nothing ...


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Kilkline
  Oct 17, 07, 10:30  #11

Quoting: Lukasz
We have in Poland (38 mln people) 100 racist accidents in whole year when we look in other EU countries stats it is nothing ...


True but other EU countries are more ethnically diverse. Time will tell I suppose.


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BubbaWoo
Edited by: BubbaWoo  Oct 17, 07, 10:45  #12

Quoting: Lukasz
100 racist accidents in whole year


that would be reported incidents which is probably very relevent given that a substantial percentage of poland's ethnic population probably doesnt speak the language very well and almost certainly doesnt want to go to the trouble of reporting attacks

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saddened
  Oct 17, 07, 11:58  #13

AmirahJanowitz a question ? why wont anyone pat me on the back and say sorry when the members of my mother and fathers familyy 10 from his 13 from hers = 23 altogether in the war. Plus her daughter my half sister that I never saw. and the fact that she went nuts and I only new her for maybe seven years of my childhood.

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AmirahJanowitz [Guest]
  Oct 17, 07, 13:53  #14

I agree sadden I feel sorry for you. I know Poles some did risk their lives eurola are you stupid Warsaw uprising partisans jewsih whom fought the germans is Poland telling you different where you tought different.are you anit semite catholic I hate those people.I read some Poles tried. but UK Holland the low countries sweeden and denmark help the most.
the germans put aways starved and took jews to their deaths. how could they have tried. get your facts strait I know from being married to a half Pole and from what I read learned in school I what I read now.jalf the jews I meet are from or their parents from Poland I meet survivors . you have no idea what they went through. so do not lecture me I am smarter than you think

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FISZ
  Oct 17, 07, 14:00  #15

Actually, the majority of Jews in my area came from Germany and Russia.


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saddened
  Oct 17, 07, 14:52  #16

On August 22, 1939, a few days before the official start of World War II, Hitler authorized his commanders, with these infamous words, to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space [lebensraum] we need".Heinrich Himmler echoed Hitler's decree:
"All Poles will disappear from the world.... It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles."

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saddened
  Oct 17, 07, 14:56  #17

Please read the worlds history and then see it the rest of it happening for the rest of your life as you are growing up.

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Gosia
  Oct 17, 07, 15:21  #18

well, i absolutely agree with PAWEL M. i also think that polish antisemitism is one of the strongest stereotypes about poles. maybe it still exists among the generation of ww2 participants (for the reasons PAWEL M wrote about), but among people of my age (about 20) something as antisemitism doesnt exist. of course i saw some grafittis saying "jude won" etc (a few years ago, i guess now it is hardly noticealbe) but these slogans were much less common than "CHWDP" etc. some people just need to release agression or anything it is, anyway.


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realist guy [Guest]
  Oct 17, 07, 15:34  #19

polish are not racist, I am an iranian married to a wonderful girl and have many polish friends. The future is actually very good for Poland in regard to many aspects. Its ok if they dont like some certain groups like russians and so on! It hapens all over the world, so why not in Poland too?? They have feelings too.

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saddened
  Oct 17, 07, 15:39  #20

and Dariusz was from iranian disent too wasnt he

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realist guy [Guest]
  Oct 17, 07, 15:47  #21

yes Darius was an iranian descent.

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AmirahJanowitz [Guest]
  Oct 17, 07, 16:00  #22

sadden I understand there were a lot of Poles good ones that helped look at the latest Pope what he did and I heard of other stories. it is true germany wanted to rid all the Poles right after the jews.a friend of mine told me her family too helped out. well if your family helped God Bless you and them.you did a good mitvah meaning in a good deed.
I am not jewish but I will always defend them.I know Poland had a home army and was a bad defeat.my point is here that I hope antisemitism will go away.jewsih people are humans too.I only know from what I was tought and read.

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saddened
Edited by: saddened  Oct 17, 07, 16:07  #23

I am not swedish but if I was I would know a lot about Sweden.
I am not Dutch but if etc.
However be a pole for just a moment please.

And I am one of Abrahams children not catholic and I dislike no one.

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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Oct 17, 07, 16:32  #24

Quoting: Kilkline
True but other EU countries are more ethnically diverse. Time will tell I suppose.


agree


Quoting: BubbaWoo
that would be reported incidents which is probably very relevent given that a substantial percentage of poland's ethnic population probably doesnt speak the language very well and almost certainly doesnt want to go to the trouble of reporting attacks


agree ... as everywhere

Quoting: AmirahJanowitz
but UK Holland the low countries sweeden and denmark help the most.


look on figures ... go on some jewish side and check which nation saved the bigest amout of jews during the war ... (UK wasnt under German nazi occpation but check figures of countries you mentioned)

Quoting: AmirahJanowitz
.jalf the jews I meet are from or their parents from Poland I meet survivors . you have no idea what they went through.


so how they survived ... in German concetration camp ?? (average lenght of life 2 weeks) or were saved by Poles ? ask them how they survived ...

Quoting: Gosia
well, i absolutely agree with PAWEL M. i also think that polish antisemitism is one of the strongest stereotypes about poles. maybe it still exists among the generation of ww2 participants (for the reasons PAWEL M wrote about), but among people of my age (about 20) something as antisemitism doesnt exist.


100% true



at the end Americans and their point of view ... no comment. Now all Arabs are enemy, terrorist, wild people... who cares, we should just F*** them and their crazy ideas, all in all whole world hate them now (we are one of last nations who belive they have good intentions and it is mistake ...)

It is enougt to read who supported who in southern america in last 50 years, who was learning oficers of regimes how to torture people ... there is only one answer USA did it ... and they try to prove sth for somebody ... no comment


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AmirahJanowitz [Guest]
  Oct 17, 07, 16:33  #25

good for you sadden. so you are jewish? I do not want to dislike anyone either I am a peaceful person.we are all children of god. I sent you a email post.

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AmirahJanowitz [Guest]
  Oct 17, 07, 16:35  #26

lukasz by working for nazis obeying them friends and some families that had survived the gas chambers. no not only 2 weeks months and sometimes years till liberation.
maybe by other Polish prisoners as well.

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AmirahJanowitz [Guest]
  Oct 17, 07, 16:37  #27

lukasz I know a survivor who wrote a book and lots of reasons how they stayed a live.
by god and being smart. by everyday survival. I know why

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Grzegorz_
Edited by: Grzegorz_  Oct 17, 07, 16:59  #28

Quoting: AmirahJanowitz
but UK Holland the low countries sweeden and denmark help the most.


Sweden was a netural country and they were doing business with nazis, in western European countries occupation was completely different than in Poland, here the whole family used to be killed for giving any help to Jews, there It was rather treated like the 2nd rate crime. You may read about a brave king of Denmark, who decided to wear that thing with a David's star after Jews had been forced to wear that... and that's really fantastic but If we had had a king then, he would have probably been simply exectued. Besides most of Poles couldn't help themselves, so how could they help Jews ? You may like It or not but Jews are too much egocentric about the history. We are humans too and If our lives are in danger, we first think how to save our own families, not how to help Jews.


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Oct 17, 07, 17:09  #29

Quoting: Grzegorz_
We are humans too and If our lives are in danger, we think how to save our own families, not how to help Jews.

even this fact there were a lot of people who helped.

as to Polish citizens 3 milions Polish jews were killed by Germans and 3 milions of Polish (other religion) citizens were kiled by Germans too it gives about 6 mln people killed.

as to names it is interedting why Germans are called nazist ... Russian Soviets...

Poland this time was real hell.


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_Sofi_ [Guest]
  Oct 17, 07, 17:13  #30

Quoting: Grzegorz_
We are humans too and If our lives are in danger, we think how to save our own families, not how to help Jews

Completely understandable. Who wouldn't?

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