Can a registered tenant be kicked out, and unregistered ?

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Sep 28, 10, 13:23 #1

Hey,

I am renting a flat here in Gdansk, and I was registered by the landlord in Urzad Miasto. He didn't want to give me a written contract, to avoid taxes. He had told me, that as long as things remain fine between us, there is no need of a written contract. If things start to go bad, we can set down the rules, and create an agreement in paper. The registration was only temporary for 9 months.

There is another Polish flatmate, with whom I had to share the place. The landlord happens to be a friend of hers. Now, this flatmate is creating problems, and trying to convince the landlord to kick me out, and unregister me. The landlord was suppose to furnish my room, with a bed and a wardrobe, but she now doesn't want him to buy any furniture at all.

Is it possible that the landlord can unregister me and kick me out of the house. ( I have no problem with rent, and other conditions. )

Thanks,

A troubled expat !!

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Sep 28, 10, 13:37 #2
Sounds like it's time to move...

inkrakow

Sep 28, 10, 13:48 #3

Yes, it does sound like it's time to move...

But registration (I assume you mean zameldowanie) gives you no rights to the place, and if it's a temporary registration it expires at the end of that period anyway. But proving that you've been living there counts for a lot. Have you got any receipts (or bank transfer confirmations) for the rent? For utility bills? Can anyone else vouch that you've been living there? In Poland it's illegal to evict someone onto the street so if it comes down to it, you can cause your landlord a lot of problems. Paradoxically, a new law was introduced earlier this year where the landlord and tenant go to a notary and sign an agreement where the tenant gives an address he/she can be evicted to if the need arises, but I don't know how well that's worked out in practice (knowing Poland, it'll be as much use as a chocolate fireguard).

So yes, look for somewhere else and next time make sure you get a written tenancy agreement.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Sep 28, 10, 14:05 #4
It sound like either you or your flatmate need to move out. As for landlord, always always pay your rent by bank transfer and put in the transfer title "rent for [address], [month, year]". Your landlord is not going to be declaring the income which he gets and so if push ever comes to shove, your bank transfer orders can drop him right in the shiit at the tax office.

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Sep 28, 10, 14:30 #5

The fact is, I just started to live here ( 1 week ) ..So, I haven't paid any utility bills, or rent bills yet. We agreed on a bank transfer, so that is not a problem in the future. My temporary registration expires in June, 2011. There is a security that has an office below the flat, and they know that I live here. I also have some guests often ( but I don't think my guests count as witness ) The landlord didn't get any notary agreements signed with me. ( Even though I was very eager for all formalities ).

My flatmate is a Polish citizen, but she is not registered here. I am looking for a new place, but it takes time, to find a landlord that will register you ( I mean Zameldowanie ). So, I will have to stay in this house for the moment. ( But again, I don't want to be bullied by this flatmate, and live uncomfortably, even if for the moment. )

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Sep 28, 10, 14:36 #6

anish_gdansk:

My flatmate is a Polish citizen, but she is not registered here. I am looking for a new place, but it takes time, to find a landlord that will register you ( I mean Zameldowanie ). So, I will have to stay in this house for the moment. ( But again, I don't want to be bullied by this flatmate, and live uncomfortably, even if for the moment. )

You could just speak to your landlord and tell him that you're looking for a new place because of how your flatmate is behaving. If he doesn't care about that, you could ask him if you can still be registered at his place even when you don't live there.

Can I ask why you think you need to be registered somewhere?

OlafThreads: 8 Posts: 1,369 Joined: Oct 29, 09 ♂	Oct 15, 10, 13:06 #7
Without a written contract you cannot fight - just move to a better place and this time have a contract. Harry: Can I ask why you think you need to be registered somewhere? - ekhm... because of the 10 Apr 174 act that ssays so. It's still valid, but 'zameldowanie' is often not conducted.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Oct 15, 10, 13:57 #8
Before you leave....put itching powder in all your flatmates knickers...

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Oct 15, 10, 16:33 #9
wildrover: Before you leave....put itching powder in all your flatmates knickers... Toothbrush up the arse, get a photo of it and then post the photo to her a few months later.

RogalskiThreads: 9 Posts: 146 Joined: May 8, 09 ♂	Oct 15, 10, 16:59 #10
wildrover: Before you leave....put itching powder in all your flatmates knickers... Harry: Toothbrush up the arse, get a photo of it and then post the photo to her a few months later. Such tactics are childish and vindictive if not downright disgusting ... and just the sort of thing I'd do in a similar situation.

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