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PShenThreads: 1 Posts: 1 Joined: Jul 8, 09 ♂	Jul 8, 09, 12:25 #31
I want to buy a land near Warsaw 1000 m2 - I was told I can only use 40% of it for the construction of a house; however, it seems it is different if I want to build a semi-detached house. Anybody can explain that to me? Paul

inkrakow	Jul 12, 09, 22:35 #32
PShen: I want to buy a land near Warsaw 1000 m2 - I was told I can only use 40% of it for the construction of a house; however, it seems it is different if I want to build a semi-detached house. Anybody can explain that to me? I guess it is set this way so that two families get housed on the land, not just one...

PiotrMThreads: - Posts: 3 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Jul 21, 09, 13:30 #33
If you need any design, building law or construction advice, please do not hestitate to write to me . I am licenced architect with experience of consultancy & cooordination for international companies. Best Regards, Piotr , pmatkiewicz@onet.pl

tempoThreads: - Posts: 2 Joined: Jul 22, 09 ♂	Jul 22, 09, 12:10 #34
This is the best moment to construct... you are not gonna get this low prices from builders any more

Cats&dogs

Dec 6, 09, 21:15 #35

Three years ago I bought a house in Northern Poland which needed to be completed. It has been an absolute nightmare. The builders are badly trained and in effect "jobs of all trades and masters of nothing". Everything is done at least twice. Materials and tools acquire legs. They charge non-Poles or Poles returning from working abroad much higher rates. They are arrogant and think every woman client is a fool.

My advice to anyone building is to bring tried and tested builders from somewhere outside of Poland. If you must use Polish builders 1. Set up an account with a building merchant for materials and ensure you get an invoice (up to 6 years you can get VAT back). 2. Check all materials coming onto site and give out only when they are needed - I lost 150 kilo of render for my elevation which is now sitting on the walls of the builder's nightclub. 3. Hide all your own tools. 4. Ensure you have a legally binding contract with everything spelt out in detail. 5. Tell the builder he does not get paid until he produces an invoice. 5. Ban the drinking of alcohol on site

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Dec 6, 09, 21:59 #36
Cats&dogs, A lot of truth in your post. Those thinking of building in Poland should take heed of it.

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Dec 7, 09, 15:37 #37

davidpeake: Try es polska. It is a Czech company and they build a house for you on your land (your project or theirs). I think that they have some price info on their webpage and even if you are not interested ultimately in their service, you can still get an offer from them and get the info you need out of them. I am sure that they have an office in Wroclaw.

About the concrete second floor. I have a normal "upstairs" and a loft. We exposed the wooden beams everywhere and replaced the wooden floor upstairs with....another wooden floor of wide planks. Yes, you can hear everything but it is not just because of the wood. It is because the wooden planks were installed directly on the beams. There is insulation but the planks are directly on the beams with no cork or anything to absorb sound.

Good luck

rinty	Dec 8, 09, 18:52 #38
I have a friend in Poland(lublin) who built a wooden house for 35000 thousand euro..I will see it in two weeks time,,to see if it is still standing.

rinty	Dec 8, 09, 18:53 #39
rinty sorry just 35.000

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Jan 12, 10, 19:55 #40

Wow you are brave, I am English and lived in Poland 6 years now, have done around 5 building and renovation projects around the Kujavia Pomorski region.

Best advice never ever part with any money up front regardless, walk away if they insist. If you buy materials make sure you get the faktura in your name with your NIP number on it as you can claim the VAT back later well a percentage anyway.

Always always make the person or company sign a reciept for any money paid regardless of any excuses. Live on site if possible and watch them closely. I am thinking of writing a book on what has happend to me here and other peoples experiences with builders. A friend was quoted 700,000 zloty to build a complete house, everything all the installations the lot.

Two years later he has the shell of the house and is minus 700,000 zloty and is broke and going to return to England.........a common story. If you are doing anything up around our way give me a call 698 295 117 for a chat, Steve

Honest GeorgeThreads: 2 Posts: 121 Joined: Nov 12, 09 ♂	Jan 17, 10, 17:24 #41
Just about sums up the Polak. Stubborn, knows best and can totally cock up everything at someones expense. I have over 30 years experience of the building industry, but they still know better than me. Native English speaker, but they claim they can speak better than me. I simply give up when it comes to Poles ( you can,t educate pork ).

bullfrogThreads: 4 Posts: 390 Joined: Apr 23, 09 ♂	Jan 17, 10, 17:40 #42
We just finished building a house here in Poland (Warsaw), went very well, quality of construction is very good for a reasonable price. In my view, Polish builders are very good, you do need however to have certain rules (no alcohol..). We also had some building work done 10 years ago in the UK, had to kick out the british builders and we took out a polish team to finish the work..

Honest GeorgeThreads: 2 Posts: 121 Joined: Nov 12, 09 ♂	Jan 17, 10, 21:50 #43
bullfrog: and we took out a polish team to finish the work.. No doubt related to the wife.

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Sep 27, 10, 17:26 #44

Hiya Sue. Im in Elblag just the other end of the canal from you. Its provincial and cheap like Olsztjn. Ive just handed over the building of my house, to a small firm today, and they are gonna finnish off for me to stan surowy. basically closed and roofed but not finished(no money up front). This has to be done before the winter as breez blocks blow apart in frost(the big crate bricks dont). By the time id got permission it was half way through the summer, so me and my wife couldnt have got finnished. we built massive foundations 2.2m (on a hill) each block 25kg,50 ton total. got a bit of help after that from two part time firemen and got to lintels , I was stubbornly against it cos it was my everest. but if your working with em... Put an ad in village, No Drinkers.

What Im trying to say is Do it;
The most important ive found so far are;

The land must have A road and electric + water (piped water not a well)directly accessible from your plot (have the vendor agree to put services to the land in the contract) or you wont get the second permission, the first permissions mean nowt,(this is the mistake we made we thought we could start building and came to poland and had to wait) ie buying the land budowlana doesnt always get permission (normally yea)theyll tell what you can build so dont by plans till then(ready plans are about 2-3000zl)
Try and buy flat land and the adaptation of plans to the land by another arcitect will be cheaper + dont make changes.
do all the paper chasing in the winter and you may be able to do all the building yourselfs, but even if you cant good strong helpers are only 10zl/hr.
I recon a 100m2 house costs about 100,000 land, 100,000 stan, 150,00 finish doing it yourself add about 100,000 for labour if not.

Weve had a lovely expirience doing it , felt like a real prospector, but im glad i no longer have to live in a wooden hut, My wife dealt with the merchants and although she would never be regarded as builder she was most of the time treated great respect and kindness ,me even more so, yes you do feel some people ********** (all the way back to their comunist holes) but you get that when you do anything out of the norm, THE NORM FOR ENGLISH HERE IS TO BE A NATIVE SPEAKER AND SIT IN A BAR LORDING IT UP, like that fella with nowt nice to say.

Good luck

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May 5, 11, 16:41 #45

Hi,

Much like everyone im trying to get a free bit of information to help me make a decision on a builder,/costing my project,

Does anyone know about cost of septic tanks and installation. i found a few sites, but trying to work out a guide price or just get info from people who have experience with this,

will be building a 3 bedroom house, on 1000sq m, plot of land. obviously no sewage there but we have water, gas, electric.

Im looking for an info please,

Ta very much,

Neil

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	May 5, 11, 16:58 #46
Neil Warsaw: Does anyone know about cost of septic tanks and installation. places like Castorama sell them and all the fittings. http://www.castorama.pl/produkty/

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May 5, 11, 17:13 #47

Cheers for that,

i found a few places that sell them, was after some info about installation really if anyone can help,

ie:

How deep it has to be buried?

size of chamber for 3 bed house?

Minimum distance form house?

Do you need foundation?

does it have to be inspected by clerk of works before covered over and buried?

I know its asking a lot, and im sure when we get to the point of needing a architect he will answer this, but
im trying to cost as much as possible and getting as much info as possible..

thanks all

Neil WarsawThreads: 6 Posts: 20 Joined: Dec 16, 09 ♂	May 5, 11, 17:24 #48
Wroclaw: places like Castorama sell them and all the fittings. http://www.castorama.pl/produkty/ Great forum on the site, Thanks Wroclaw,

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May 5, 11, 17:40 #49

Neil Warsaw:

Stumbled across this should anyone need the info.

http://www.eko-sum.pl/

msiolar

Jul 3, 11, 23:22 #50

Hello:

I live in Ciosta Rica and I know how they build homes there with reinforced steel, lots of it, pblus blocks and cement. They are strong and can withstand earthquakes and storms. it is NOT like the crap they build in the USA, false foundation, and all the material are synthetic and fragil so the hurricanes blow them away.

How do they build homes ins Poland? I want to build my own. Please advise me.

Thanks

Carl Lawrence

PS: My wife is Polish

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Jul 3, 11, 23:39 #51
msiolar: How do they build homes ins Poland? usually brick or brick and block apartments: concrete special homes (usually in the mountains) wood.

RichfilthThreads: 8 Posts: 327 Joined: Mar 8, 09 ♂	Jul 8, 11, 22:16 #52
Can anyone update me with costs on building houses, now it's 2011? Looking to construct something in the region of 150m2, brick-and-blockwork, probably beam-and-block floors for the second storey. I've heard wild estimates for the shell, from as little as 100,000zl to as much as 500,000zl, so I'd like to have some idea what the expenses are.

teflcatThreads: 6 Posts: 1,076 Joined: May 29, 11 ♂	Jul 9, 11, 08:17 #53
Richfilth: Can anyone update me with costs on building houses We built a couple of years ago. 105m2, block, concrete ceiling. We had internet-bought house plans modified by an architect so we got what we wanted. We spent about 200k on the house.

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Jul 9, 11, 10:41 #54
teflcat: We spent about 200k on the house. Zloty or Euro??

teflcatThreads: 6 Posts: 1,076 Joined: May 29, 11 ♂	Jul 9, 11, 11:04 #55
PLN. The land was an additional cost.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,478 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jul 9, 11, 11:06 #56
Wroclaw: apartments: concrete Steel reinforced poured concrete i believe.

Monia

Jul 9, 11, 11:27 #57

PShen:

I want to buy a land near Warsaw 1000 m2 - I was told I can only use 40% of it for the construction of a house; however, it seems it is different if I want to build a semi-detached house. Anybody can explain that to me?
Paul

Most houses in Poland are built of brick, have concrete floors and an attic in a wooden structure with a roof of ceramic or metal tiles . The cost of building such a house of aprx. 200 square meters, with the use of Polish materials is a about 1 million PLN plus in Warsaw area . Employing , of course, construction crews by yourself but not construction companies .

Ps With low or medium quality and price of materials , of course .

teflcatThreads: 6 Posts: 1,076 Joined: May 29, 11 ♂	Edited by: teflcat Jul 9, 11, 12:16 #58
Depends a lot on where you want to build, of course. The cost of land can be extremely high. You should always agree on a total price for building the basic structure and roof. We were lucky to find a good builder who built our little place for 33k.

RichfilthThreads: 8 Posts: 327 Joined: Mar 8, 09 ♂	Jul 9, 11, 12:39 #59
Yeah, the price I'm looking for will not include the cost of the land or purchasing the plans. So Monia, does your 1million+ PLN include the land as well, or is that just the materials and the construction crew? Basically, I have my eye on a few plots of land in and around Warsaw, and want to know what's within my budget. I don't think I can quite afford 1million PLN...

Monia	Jul 9, 11, 13:23 #60
Thats for a house only ,a land is appx. 200 $ per square meter ( very close to Warsaw , the further from Warsaw the lower the price ) 25 km from Warsaw you can get a land for 10 - 20 $ PLN per sq. meter . Like I said , all costs depend what kind of material you want to use . Building very cheap , maybe you could spend like 800 000 PLN total .

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