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SeanBMThreads: 41
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Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: SeanBM  Jul 9, 11, 13:38    #61
I am sure that people looking for advice are getting rather confused about now as to how much a house would cost to build.

Just to clarify, it is the same in every country, the price depends on where and what kind of house you are looking for. A master masonry stone built house in the centre of Athens, is of course more expensive than in the countryside.

Check out how much houses were sold for in the area you are thinking of building and check what standard it was when it was sold. This will give you a much better idea of how much it will cost.

You can hear horror stories here, like anywhere in the world. Do some research on the builders you are going to use, ring up previous clients of the builders and ask them how they got on, this alone could save you a lot. Alcohol is a problem but that can be dealt with contractually.

My advise is to buy a house that's already standing, the fact that you don't have much of a clue as to how much it would cost to build, leads me to believe that you are out of your depth.

You have probably heard stories that Mr. X built his own house for a small fraction of what the selling price is and think you'd save money doing the same. I don't think you will, shop around and see if there are any deals to be done on buying an existing house.

If you really insist on building your own house, you need to do a lot of leg work. Buying existing plans and having them modified by an architect, is probably the cheapest way to deal with the drawings.

Make sure that you have connections to water, sewage, electricity and gas (if applicable) BEFORE you start.

PShen:
I was told I can only use 40% of it for the construction of a house; however, it seems it is different if I want to build a semi-detached house. Anybody can explain that to me?

When buying land, it is best if the local town council has a general plan (has designated the land for particular use), it is different in every place and many places do not have this, so you will have to apply.

You probably have it that you can build one building on 40% of the land plot but it can be divided into two semis.

Again I repeat, if you are asking such basic questions, buy an existing house, it will save you money in the long run.
RichfilthThreads: 8
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Joined: Mar 8, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: Richfilth  Jul 9, 11, 23:50    #62
Hi Sean,

I appreciate the detailed answer, although I'll put your mind at rest and let you know I'm not out of my depth here. This won't be the first build I've been involved in, and I'm familiar with the different styles of construction used in Poland, I just wanted some examples of what people have paid in the recent past, since costs of labour and materials have been swinging all over the place recently.

I intend to do the draughts myself, although I know that Polish law requires me to have an approved and registered Site Engineer to be "responsible" for the build. I'm also familiar with the legal costs regarding registering the build, getting media to the site and so on.

I'm simply looking for some anecdotal tales of costs. As I said, I've had wildly differing quotes for essentially the same work (100k vs 500k for a block shell with roof) so I'd like to hear what the average seems to be, and just how rip-off the rip-off merchants around me are.

I'd build the whole thing myself if I could get the time off work.
SeanBMThreads: 41
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Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂ 		 Jul 10, 11, 00:05    #63
Richfilth:
I'm familiar with the different styles of construction used in Poland

Very important point, and you probably can switch construction styles depending on the situation.
this alone will come in very handy, I have several guys working with me on one project that have worked in the U.S., the Polish way of building is to solve all problems with concrete, where as other materials can save you time and effort, even though many builders will not be used to them.

Richfilth:
although I know that Polish law requires me to have an approved and registered Site Engineer to be "responsible" for the build.

Kierownik budowy are a dim a dozen, you won't have a problem there, that's where negotiation skills come in.

Richfilth:
I'd build the whole thing myself if I could get the time off work.

You'll have to be there to make sure it's done properly, you know yourself, nobody will ever care as much as the owner.

I didn't mean to come off telling anyone that they can't, I don't know any of you and I just wanted to be clear on what I thought would save the people reading the thread.

Richfilth:
I'm simply looking for some anecdotal tales of costs.

Your best bet is to check prices of sold house in the area.
There are just too many factors to give you any exact idea of price.
milkyThreads: 10
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Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀ 		 Jul 10, 11, 00:09    #64
Richfilth:
I'd like to hear what the average

In Poland it's hard to get the answer for the average of anything..
teflcatThreads: 6
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Joined: May 29, 11 ♂ 		 Jul 11, 11, 10:14    #65
Richfilth:
I'd like to hear what the average seems to be, and just how rip-off the rip-off merchants around me are

My favourite p1ss-take when building was when the internal plasterers wanted the electricians to cut grooves in the walls for the cables to sit in.They told us the cables would show proud after plastering if that wasn't done. Our electician laughed his head off and said it was the oldest one in the book. He claimed the plasterers just wanted to put less plaster on the walls and "disappear" the bags of unused plaster when we weren't looking. We looked and measured all the time to make sure we got the right coverage.
VincentThreads: 15
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Joined: Sep 9, 07 ♂ [Moderator] 		 Jul 11, 11, 18:51    #66
teflcat:
Our electician laughed his head off and said it was the oldest one in the book. He claimed the plasterers just wanted to put less plaster on the walls and "disappear" the bags of unused plaster when we weren't looking.



I would have thought putting the cables in groves would use more plaster, not less.
WroclawThreads: 77
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Vincent:
I would have thought putting the cables in groves would use more plaster, not less.


picture it this way. a cable runs top to bottom down the middle of the wall. it is one centimetre thick. this means that to get an even coat over the whole wall the plaster must be a little more.
with no cable showing, it's less plaster.

there is a special cutting tool that allows one to bury cables. so i'd say the plasterer was in part correct.

a cable should be in a chase or behind a metal cover. that's good practice.
VincentThreads: 15
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Joined: Sep 9, 07 ♂ [Moderator] 		 Jul 11, 11, 19:22    #68
Wroclaw:
so i'd say the plasterer was in part correct


I'd say so too. If the truth be known, it was the electrician who didn't want to cut the chases :)
SeanBMThreads: 41
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Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂ 		 Jul 11, 11, 20:27    #69
I am renovating the house I am in now, so I can sell it and move all the way to Krakow 35km :)

The lads were plastering today, the electricians used flat cables against the wall, to lessen the thickness.

Looks like a different house inside.

Wroclaw:
a cable should be in a chase or behind a metal cover. that's good practice.

Best one I have seen here is the cables in the wall in metal piping, with a junction-box at every corner, so you can run new cable any time you like and the risk of drilling and getting electrocuted are minimalised.
Neil WarsawThreads: 6
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Joined: Dec 16, 09 ♂ 		 Aug 8, 11, 10:02    #70
Hi all,


Im going to be putting up a fence around the plot we have bought this weekend, can anyone recommend a good quickdry/Just add water cement that is readily available from superstore please?

I have a Obi about 2k's from plot so something they stock would be great,

thanks in advance :)


Regards,


Neil
pgtxThreads: 49
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Joined: Feb 14, 09  Gold Member MEMBER ♀ 		 Aug 9, 11, 22:36    #71
what's the best website i could search for a lot (to build a house on it ;))...? i need it in Malopolskie (mountains), big lot and a view...
convexThreads: 46
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Joined: Nov 25, 09  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Aug 9, 11, 22:38    #72
http://www.domiporta.pl/ has a lot of land.
pgtxThreads: 49
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Joined: Feb 14, 09  Gold Member MEMBER ♀ 		 Aug 9, 11, 22:41    #73
thanks, i'll check that one out too...

what kind of permits and documents should i have before building?

and and... where do i look for designs of houses, plans and projects?
LwowskaKrakowThreads: 49
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Joined: Mar 9, 07  Pictures: 1  Gold Member MEMBER ♀ 		 Aug 10, 11, 13:25    #74
who could help me out with pricing?


Never ask a Polish company their fees, they ll rip you off. Just calculate your budget and ask them ( in the manner of take it or leave it) to stick to your budget.
If you don( find anyone , get a quote from a Chinese builder ( they are doing the highways aren(t they) or a British one.
pipThreads: 11
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Joined: Jul 4, 11 ♀ 		 Aug 10, 11, 15:27    #75
Im going to be putting up a fence around the plot we have bought this weekend, can anyone recommend a good quickdry/Just add water cement that is readily available from superstore please?

I have a Obi about 2k's from plot so something they stock would be great,


there are loads there. just tell the sales guy what it is for and he will direct you. they are usually quite helpful and big box stores.
Monia  Aug 16, 11, 16:28    #76
get a quote from a Chinese builder ( they are doing the highways aren(t they) or a British one.


Are you serious ?
JonnyMThreads: 16
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Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂ 		 Aug 16, 11, 16:34    #77

Never ask a Polish company their fees, they ll rip you off. Just calculate your budget and ask them ( in the manner of take it or leave it) to stick to your budget.
If you don( find anyone , get a quote from a Chinese builder ( they are doing the highways aren(t they) or a British one.

Makes a lot of sense.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Aug 16, 11, 16:48    #78
Never ask a Polish company their fees, they ll rip you off. Just calculate your budget and ask them ( in the manner of take it or leave it) to stick to your budget.


Same in any business, really - but in Poland, they're quite used to being told "I'll give you x, take it or leave it" - it's not rude or anything to do so.
Graemeh  Aug 31, 11, 21:24    #79
am looking to build a house south west of Wroclaw. Can anyone tell me if Wooden frame(pre-built) houses are allowed in Poland?
teflcatThreads: 6
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am looking to build a house south west of Wroclaw. Can anyone tell me if Wooden frame(pre-built) houses are allowed in Poland?

Check out Unibud. They offer a comprehensive service. Pretty impressive actually. You might be able to find their promo vid in English (I did the voiceover-my first one so mock ye not). The company offers a 30-year guarantee and can knock up a house faster than you can say knife. Personally though, what with the weather here and all, traditional building methods are best unless you need something really fast (and have a lot of money to spend-Unibud houses don't come cheap).

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