Cost of rent for a four room apartment outskirt of Wroclaw

chiberry2000Threads: 1 Joined: Sep 3, 10 ♀	Sep 3, 10, 21:45 #1
Hi all, Please can someone help me, I am in desperate need to find out how much a 4 room apartment will cost outskirt of Wroclaw. My job is Wroclaw city but I know that rents are higer in d city, so will 1500 -2000 PLN be ok for 4 rooms flat/apartment. I have 3 kids incl all utilites, can some on egive me an estimate. I will be very grateful

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Sep 5, 10, 03:03 #2

Hi,

Gumtree.pl should give you a good sense of price excluding utilities, although based on my wife's family who live in Poland, you are unrealistic on your pricing. You'd be better to embrace the polish way of using all the rooms as bedrooms, or get a 3 room place and have 3 kids in one bedroom and you and your spouse in another bedroom with one room as a living room.

here are the 4 room apartments in Wroclaw on Gumtree now:

http://wroclaw.gumtree.pl/f-Nieruchomosci-dom-mieszkanie-wynajme-4-pok oje-W0QQAQ5fNumberRoomsZ4QQCatIdZ9008

From a quick look it seems that you'd possibly get one, hell knows where, for 2000pln per month before any bills. However I'm not an expert, just sharing what I know from someone who's been scoping out moving to Poland.

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Edited by: jwojcie Sep 5, 10, 11:08 #3

Hi
Here you have sites to start:
http://www.autogielda.pl/nieruchomosci_do_wynajecia_mieszkania_4-pokoj owe.html
http://www.autogielda.pl/nieruchomosci_do_wynajecia_mieszkania,do_wyna jecia_mieszkanie_3-pokojowe,II0RAWMK.html

http://nieruchomosci.gazetadom.pl/oferty/wynajme/Mieszkania/Wroc%C5%82 aw/,,,,,,,,,//?sortcolumn=InsertionDate&SortDirection=desc&Region=17&P owierzchnia_from=70&x=109&y=20
http://nieruchomosci.gazetadom.pl/details,191,113467517.asp

Overall it is rather not possible to have 4 room apartment for 1500-2000 all included. It is rather more like ~2000 + utilities.
Of course it depends what you mean by outskirt. If you mean something in city limits then those links above are correct. If you mean something in agglomeration limits, ie. including near towns like Olesnica, Trzebnica itp. then it is doable. But one word of warning: Wroclaw is currently terribly congested city due to big road building program. If I were you I wouldn't go for outskirts flats in next two years.

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Sep 5, 10, 19:43 #4

jwojcie:

It is rather more like ~2000 + utilities.

Sorry to be going on about this but to put things in context in relation to the average industrial wage in Ireland and Poland. The 2000 + in wroclow for 2 bedroom apartment on the outskirts would be 4/5 of monthly average indusrial wage, To put it into context in relation to AI wage/Rent on the outskirts of galway.cork,Belfast even Dublin i could rent three large 2 bedroom apartments for that.

jwojcieThreads: 3 Posts: 816 Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♂	Edited by: jwojcie Sep 6, 10, 10:18 #5
milky: Sorry to be going on about this but to put things in context... True, that is why only recently most of Poles was looking at most of foreigners willing to move here like at total madmans. Well, times change, now they are perceived as kind of freaks only ;-) ... Anyway, it is not the right thread for that discussion I suppose ;-)

dr_rabbitThreads: 3 Posts: 77 Joined: Aug 8, 09 ♂	Sep 6, 10, 22:34 #6
Yes you're right, although unemployment is much worse in Ireland than in Polish cities at the moment as far as I understand. What I was trying to get across the original poster is that wanting to have a bedroom for themselves and each of their kids is not something which makes sense in Poland. People are much more flexible like that, so its reflected in prices.

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Sep 7, 10, 19:01 #7

dr_rabbit:

Yes you're right, although unemployment is much worse in Ireland than in Polish cities at the moment as far as I understand

yes but a person on the dole in ireland gets 3 times as much as a person in Poland working for minumum wage. You could rent a large 1 bedroom apartment in Naas now, and be on the dole Monthly rent 550 euro + monthly dole 1000 euro.(rent allowance included)
or Athlone
Monthly rent 450euro + monthly dole 1000 euro
and Poland
Monthly rent 350 euro + monthly average net industrial wage 500 euro
or
monthly rent 350euro + monthly minimum wage 320 euro

ashley10Threads: - Posts: 1 Joined: Sep 7, 10 ♂	Sep 7, 10, 19:07 #8
yes i think it can be managed easily

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Sep 7, 10, 19:15 #9
in Ireland yes

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Sep 7, 10, 19:39 #10

ashley10:

yes i think it can be managed easily

otodom.pl has a couple as well.

milky:

yes but a person on the dole in ireland gets 3 times as much as a person in Poland working for minumum wage. You could rent a large 1 bedroom apartment in Naas now, and be on the dole Monthly rent 550 euro + monthly dole 1000 euro.(rent allowance included)

What's your point? Poles can afford it. It's a larger percentage of their income compared to Ireland. On the other hand, Poles don't like having €115,000 of household debt, so I guess all is ok in the end. Gotta pay that money back sometime you know. They also don't like trading long term stability for short term growth, quite enjoy a steadily growing GDP. Another thing that is kind of strange to them is the fact that Ireland is so rich, but there are so few jobs. How can that be? It's a very strange phenomenon. Things like, how will a vastly inflated wage market attract jobs? Maybe the wise Irish on this forum can answer these questions, Poles sure can't. Poles will continue to go on in the same idiotic fashion by which they gradually build up the economy, not buying into consumerist get rich quick credit schemes. The government are a bunch of idiots as well, clinging on to a currency they can control, and not slashing interest rates to nil. Yes, yes, yes. Poland should be much more like Ireland. European role model.

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Sep 7, 10, 21:06 #11

convex:

nother thing that is kind of strange to them is the fact that Ireland is so rich, but there are so few jobs. How can that be?

I suppose the whole economy was a kind of Ponzei scheme called celtic tiger.
The wages in Ireland will have to serously come down by about 50% to become competetive again but what about the super-inflated mortgages that have the country took out, the future for ireland is real dark lookin.No party will bring in the cuts, will do this so the IMF will be coming soon.

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