20% of adult Poles are single and live with Mummy!

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Edited by: zetigrek Dec 3, 10, 17:27 #211

ItsAllAboutME:

it's a bad habit to draw conclusions based on faulty assumptions. there are high schools in the US.

how he managed to get a visa? He probably hide from us a fact that he have a family in the USA and they give him an inviation.

convex:

I wonder if they statistically live at home, but actually work abroad.

haha. EXACTLY. If those data were taken from adress infos then yes, many of them are ghosts who only have a "meldunek" in parent's house.
But I believe that's true that many people live with parents in their early 20s.

ItsAllAboutME:

My family didn't have money to pay for my college, I worked three jobs while I went to school.

btw. how many hours a week your college courses took you? Let's say avaregely.

ItsAllAboutME:

That's brilliant. You don't need skills, or higher education, just a cell phone and a car, and you can make a few bucks

In Poland they would go bancrupt quickly...

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Edited by: ItsAllAboutME Dec 3, 10, 17:45 #212

what's medlunek?

as for my husband, I'm not going to write a book. the crux of his story is that his family had very limited means (not to mention rather low regard for education) and there was no way they'd pay for his college, so he had to work very hard and be very resourceful to pay for his school, which he did, and I'm very proud of him.

I checked my transcript. It varied, I had between 16 and 23 hours of classes per week.

the food taxi was just an example of doing something nobody else has thought about and people would actually pay money for. I don't know the realities in Poland but I'm sure if there is a niche to be explored, someone creative will find ways to make money. my point was, if what you can do is not in demand any more, find out what is in demand and how you can use it to your advantage.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Edited by: zetigrek Dec 3, 10, 17:48 #213
ItsAllAboutME: as for my husband, I'm not going to write a book. Is Havok your husband? Sorry I've lost the point... ItsAllAboutME: medlunek? http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adres_zameldowania

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Dec 3, 10, 17:50 #214

ItsAllAboutME:

I've always voted Democrat.

Then you've been voting wrong. You don't sound like a Dem. It's the Dems who are all about whining and casting blame; it's the Repubs that are all about personal responsiblity.

Stu:

jobs are occupied by job migrants

Then I would say you guys need to reform your immigration laws. But then the whole EU thing... Gotta hate how that murdered nations sovereignty and their ability to control their own destiny and safeguard their own peeps...

zetigrek:

a duty of children to take care of them and sending them to some specilized homes of care (I don't know how do you call it in english) is considered as something terribly wrong and the elders feel often grudges that family not wish to take care of them personally.

Nursing homes/ old folks homes. Same thing here.

convex:

On a side note, how can 20% of adult Poles live at home when they're all working overseas? I wonder if they statistically live at home, but actually work abroad.

Side note, shiite. I suspect this is key to the title and theme of this thread. Good catch.

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Edited by: ItsAllAboutME Dec 3, 10, 18:14 #215

It's the Dems who are all about whining and casting blame; it's the Repubs that are all about personal responsiblity.

that's grossly over-generalized. it's also a topic for another discussion, one that has been taking place in this country for decades, and we're not going to be able to say anything new on this forum.

the link about meldunek is in Polish.

maybe I missed it, but is there an identified source of the statement that 20% of adult Poles live with their parents? did they mention the age bracket, or any other details? I'm curious because I can't figure out if it's true or not, actually.

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Edited by: jonni Dec 3, 10, 18:27 #216

ItsAllAboutME:

the link about meldunek is in Polish.

maybe I missed it, but is there an identified source of the statement that 20% of adult Poles live with their parents? did they mention the age bracket, or any other details? I'm curious because I can't figure out if it's true or not, actually.

Meldunek is about Poles having to have a registered address.
A typical dialogue:
Pole: Where do you live?
Expat: In Warsaw,
Pole: But Where do you actually live?
Expat: In Mokotow,
Pole: But where do you really live?
Expat: on Ulica Belwederska, opposite the Hyatt,
Pole: But really live, where your parents live?
Expat: I haven't lived there for twenty years,
Pole: But you're registered there?,
Expat: What?

The meldunek thing was used in Poland during communist times, and they forgot to get rid of it after the Wall came down. In Russia, it was used to control who could live in big cities. In Poland, the government were supposed to get rid of it last year but didn't. Some ex-communist countries stopped it long ago.

The 20% thing is about what address someone is registered at. So it's very possible that a person from Poland can actually live in England but still be registered with family in Poland.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Dec 3, 10, 18:32 #217
jonni: The meldunek thing was used in Poland during communist times, and they forgot to get rid of it after the Wall came down. In Russia, it was used to control who could live in big cities. In Poland, the government were supposed to get rid of it last year but didn't. Some ex-communist countries stopped it long ago. Most other European countries also require registration.

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Edited by: zetigrek Dec 3, 10, 18:33 #218

ItsAllAboutME:

maybe I missed it,

here are some statistics:

Z danych Eurostatu wynika, że w grupie 25-34-latków 30 proc. kobiet i 44 proc. mężczyzn w Polsce mieszka wciąż z rodzicami. Unijna średnia to odpowiednio 20 i 32 proc.

But we are not the worst:

Natomiast na Słowacji, w Słowenii i Grecji z rodzicami mieszka wciąż 42-36 proc. kobiet w wieku 25-34 lata. Jeśli chodzi o mężczyzn, najczęściej w rodzinnym domu pozostają Bułgarzy, Słoweńcy, Grecy i Słowacy (61-56 proc.)

source: wyborcza.biz/biznes/1,100969,8489138,Mlodzi_Polacy_czesciej_mieszkaja_ z_rodzicami_niz_rowiesnicy.html

For age 18-24:

W Danii tylko 27 proc. kobiet i 40 proc. mężczyzn w tym wieku mieszka wciąż z rodzicami, w Finlandii odpowiednio 32 i 50 proc., a w Szwecji - 37 i 40 proc.

http://www.wprost.pl/ar/212905/Mlodzi-Polacy-wola-mieszkac-z-rodzicami /

Your husband will translate you ;)

...it seems that half of Europe are losers...

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Edited by: ItsAllAboutME Dec 3, 10, 18:43 #219

oh, I see.
it would still be interesting to read the whole article about the 20% of people living with their parents (and what is young? 20? 30?). particularly because of the other part of the statement, that 20% of young adults are single. does it mean that 80% are married? that would REALLY be shocking, imo.
there just isn't enough information to form an honest opinion.

Most other European countries also require registration.

I can understand how a communist country would like to track their population, but now I'm curious about the rest of Europe. is there a valid reason for doing it?

Z:
oh, I guess you finished your post before I finished mine.
thank you for the statistics, but it won't be a few hours till I'm able to ask my husband about it.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Dec 3, 10, 18:45 #220
ItsAllAboutME: I can understand how a communist country would like to track their population, but now I'm curious about the rest of Europe. is there a valid reason for doing it? A few ex-communist countries have stopped it, and Britain has never had it. Seems a lot of bureaucracy for not much effect.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Dec 3, 10, 18:55 #221
ItsAllAboutME: does it mean that 80% are married? no it means that 80% are in relationships.

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Dec 3, 10, 19:15 #222

no it means that 80% are in relationships

not necessarily. it would have that meaning in the colloquial sense, but when it comes to a census or tax-related issues, single would mean unmarried, or a single head of household kind of thing, not whether they have boyfriends or girlfriends.

either way, 80% is very high, whether we're talking casual relationships or marriage. Does either of the articles actually say that?

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Dec 3, 10, 19:17 #223
ItsAllAboutME: either way, 80% is very high high? are you sure?

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Dec 3, 10, 19:19 #224
zetigrek: high? are you sure? Exactly - in most of the world this is very normal.

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Dec 3, 10, 19:51 #225

it's rather difficult to comment on something that hasn't been defined precisely, but let's say we're talking marriage. I think only 40 or 50% of adult people in the US are married. I'm sure it varies from country to country, but compared with the US, 80% is high, and therefore cannot be normal for most of the world. if anyone has statistics on what's typical in other countries, I could change my mind, I just don't know much about it.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Dec 3, 10, 19:56 #226
ItsAllAboutME: ItsAllAboutME I mean relationship. 80% of certainly are in some kind of relationship. I don't know what's marriage rate for Poland but I know that 30 % of marriages end up with divorce, additionally young Poles are not so willing to marry they prefer informal relationships.

ItsAllAboutMEThreads: 4 Posts: 358 Joined: Apr 30, 10 ♀	Dec 3, 10, 20:14 #227
well, yes, I understand this is what YOU mean, but the people who compiled those statistics had to have a definition of "single" in order to measure how many people out there are "single." I'm curious if either of those articles mentions their definition. 80% of people you happen to know might very well be in a relationship, but it's not a representative sample of the population.

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Dec 5, 10, 04:50 #228

zetigrek:

As I said it's easy to be independend in the USA. In Poland parents call you a sucker when you want to move out from home and lose your all savings on rental bills.

Housing may be more available in USA than Europe, but still not easy. You need to cut the umbilical cord, with ma and pa. Polish parents are tough all over, not just in Poland. They don't like giving up their babies.

pgtx:

i realize that the situation for young people in PL sucks, but the question is: how to change it?

Do what you did, move out. University housing? Move into apartment house in Poland? Or move out of Poland?

Let's face it, we all had to do it and it was never easy.

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