I am married to a Polish citizen. How can I get residency?

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Dec 14, 10, 01:22 #1

I am married and have been since 1997. I lived in Poland many years. We decided to come to the United States to make money and then to return to Poland to buy an apartment and live there. My wife changed her mind and met another man. I refused to give her a divorce.

My whole life was wrapped into returning to Poland. I love Poland. Don't ask me why, but it is all I think about. Since our separation I was able to return to Poland, but only as a tourist. I never acquired permanent residency.

Without her I am severed from the only country in the world I have ever loved. I feel homeless. I don't care now if I am there with her or without her. I just want to be there. I want to work there doing anything. I want to live there the rest of my life.

Is there any hope that I can obtain residency based on this marriage or is it hopeless. I know she will not cooperate with me on this. I often think of just returning there and taking my chances. But if I overstay my visa I could be barred from Europe for many years. I couldn't stand it. I think I'd prefer to be dead.

Is there any hope of me ever living in Poland again?

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Dec 14, 10, 01:32 #2
geoffreysinclai: I think I'd prefer to be dead. first of all... remove that thought from your head

geoffreysinclaiThreads: 1 Posts: 8 Joined: Dec 14, 10 ♂	Dec 14, 10, 02:11 #3
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MidasThreads: 2 Posts: 788 Joined: Jul 19, 10 ♂	Dec 14, 10, 14:01 #4
It does sound a bit like you got kicked out of the U.S. for being there illegally and are desperately looking for a way out from Africa, Pakistan or another such wonderland. I don't forsee you getting much help here, PF users have seen more than their fair share of visa scammers.

geoffreysinclaiThreads: 1 Posts: 8 Joined: Dec 14, 10 ♂	Dec 14, 10, 15:57 #5
What in the name of God are you suffering on about? If you can't answer the question normally, why don't you just **** off?

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Dec 14, 10, 16:00 #6
Because... Midas: PF users have seen more than their fair share of visa scammers. Anyway, get residency based on a business. Much easier. Search the forums for info on how to do that.

grubasThreads: 20 Posts: 1,452 Joined: Feb 1, 10 ♂	Dec 14, 10, 20:04 #7
geoffreysinclai: Without her I am severed from the only country in the world I have ever loved. You must be either masochist or a crazy person. geoffreysinclai: I often think of just returning there and taking my chances Just return,find another broad and get married.Simple.Shouldn't be a problem.

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Edited by: Midas Dec 15, 10, 00:25 #8

What in the name of God are you suffering on about? If you can't answer the question normally, why don't you just **** off?

I suggest you keep your tongue in check.

As I mentioned, there seems to be a new visa scammer every other week around here ( which is less than in the U.K., but still quite a bit ) and as a result there's less and less tolerance for such bs. You sir sound exactly like your average visa scammer.

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Dec 15, 10, 02:20 #9

Look freak. I asked a simple question so as to get advice. The circumstances I listed are accurate. If you don't want to help, why do you post? Visa scammer? That is ridiculous. But I admit that my circumstances are also ridiculous. I am a US citizen and can always return there. But I do not belong there anymore. Poland is where I belong. It is where I spent my best years. I want to return. Simple as that.

MidasThreads: 2 Posts: 788 Joined: Jul 19, 10 ♂	Dec 15, 10, 02:58 #10
Cut the barking, will you. I meant what I said, all your story lacks is a bit of bad english and an eternal love for a blue eyed kasia.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Dec 15, 10, 11:24 #11
geoffreysinclai: I want to return. Simple as that. So go to Poland and get a resident's permit. Simples.

MrBubblesThreads: 13 Posts: 768 Joined: Nov 13, 07 ♂	Dec 15, 10, 16:41 #12
Midas: all your story lacks is a bit of bad english and an eternal love for a blue eyed kasia. So apart from the fact that his English is good, he has residency in the states and doesn't display the hallmarks of a visa scammer, you say he is a visa scammer? Genius

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Dec 15, 10, 19:06 #13

^^

"he has residency in the states" - according to whom, exactly? Himself?

"he doesn't display the hallmarks of a visa scammer" - quite the contrary, he's feeding people a sob story that sounds highly bogus ( "I'm a US citizen, but I don't belong here anymore" lol ), which is hardly an uncommon method with these guys. It seems some ( you sir included ) are buying it, hook, line and sinker.

I haven't used my Polish passport all that much in the last two decades, but Poland still happens to be my country, so please be so kind and cut the ****** drama while I warn my people about scammer risks.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Dec 15, 10, 19:08 #14
geoffreysinclai: I want to return. Then you can obtain legal residency on the basis of owning a business. Simple.

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Dec 15, 10, 22:17 #15

Thanks. The truth is that I was born in the USA. I went to Poland in 1995 on a scholarship at Jagiellonian University in Krakow. I lived there 6 years. I searched for professional jobs but no one would consider me, because as Midas here, they were all suspicious why an American would want to live in Poland. It is still the same situation. I think the business idea is best. I just dont get why anyone would think I was scamming. It doesnt make sense. I cant work in Poland. And residency in Poland doesnt get me residency in all of Europe. I just want to go, maybe teach English, and not have to worry about the 3 month rule. I shouldnt have to.

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Edited by: convex Dec 16, 10, 02:54 #16

geoffreysinclai:

I just dont get why anyone would think I was scamming.

Just have a look at all the people asking about residency, it's about a 20/80 split between people wanting to know what paperwork is involved, and the rest being usually third world immigrants who want to know how long they need to stay married to get perm residency. Just calling it like it is.

BTW, you can buy a shelf company ready to go for about €1300.

geoffreysinclai:

I shouldnt have to.

Of course you should, you're not an EU citizen. You have no right to stay here unless you're gainfully employed, or are making an economic contribution. Best of luck.

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Dec 17, 10, 02:53 #17

I get the law. And I get the intent behind it. Some people just don't get it. I love Poland. I know some people hate it, and many cannot understand. But I love Poland. I want to live there. I want to live in Poland. Simply. I know it is expensive now. I know flats cost tons. I guess I expended my youth there and I want to return to feel that again.

I think the business is the best idea. I am an American citizen without a criminal record. I am married to a Polish citizen. She has my citizenship. That's fine. The US is easier for that. I want to live in Poland no matter what. It's just my blood> I belong there. OK. It sounds like a scam, but it isn't. It is what I want. Some way, Im going to make it happen.

cjjThreads: 2 Posts: 239 Joined: Sep 28, 07 ♀	Dec 17, 10, 07:58 #18
You need what the rest of us had to have -- a job and years in the country. Being married to a Polish citizen doesn't give you citizenship - so your lack of a Polish wife isn't hindering things. And why citizenship anyway? Surely all you need is right of permanent abode ?

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Dec 19, 10, 21:19 #19

wow, so far on here everyones been so nice and helpful, i cant believe what im reading. im an united states citizen, age 70years old, my gf, gms from jaskowice, i want to come see the place my grandparents were from before i die. if anything could change my mind i just need to read the nasty rude comments. thnk about it, he was asking about living in your country, he chooses your country over america, thats a compliment. yet people responds where what kind of scam is he up to. is that what you want all americans to react when any polish persons want to come to usa, to treat you with that same disrespect? to question if your trying to run a scam, is this the way people treat eachother in poland, with suspicion, insted of welcoming a person that wants to live in your country so bad their willing to leave family,friends, homeland to become a part of your country. i hope if you ever want to come to us that you dont encounter the visa personal with your same mindset, yet if so maybe you would realize how it feels.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Dec 19, 10, 21:27 #20
I am married to a Polish citizen. How can I get residency? via pregnancy, i suppose? that is, if you are female. To put cross on myself, don`t try that if you are male

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Dec 20, 10, 11:24 #21

wow, so far on here everyones been so nice and helpful, i cant believe what im reading. im an united states citizen, age 70years old, my gf, gms from jaskowice, i want to come see the place my grandparents were from before i die. if anything could change my mind i just need to read the nasty rude comments. thnk about it, he was asking about living in your country, he chooses your country over america, thats a compliment. yet people responds where what kind of scam is he up to. is that what you want all americans to react when any polish persons want to come to usa, to treat you with that same disrespect? to question if your trying to run a scam, is this the way people treat eachother in poland, with suspicion, insted of welcoming a person that wants to live in your country so bad their willing to leave family,friends, homeland to become a part of your country. i hope if you ever want to come to us that you dont encounter the visa personal with your same mindset, yet if so maybe you would realize how it feels.

1. Last time I checked Polish people are still required a visa to enter the US, so basically the US mindset towards Poles can be indeed summarized as "What kind of scam are You up to?" and they've been encountering this mindset for decades now. Hence please keep the comments about "mindset" to Yourself, sir.

2. A few of my Polish friends ( architects, businessmen, etc. ) have real horror stories to tell about visits to the US embassy and the visa interview. "Disrespectful" does not even begin to describe the attitude of US employees in the embassy in Warsaw, according to my friends. A female colleague of mine was asked whether she plans on getting pregnant during her visit.

3. So, with the above in mind, Americans are really the last people on earth that have the right to tell Poles or anyone else for that matter how they should react to people trying to enter their country.

4. As was mentioned -appropriate laws raise certain requirements for Americans wishing to enter the EU and live here. Dura lex, sed lex, live with it.

5. Again I need to point out that TS is American according to his own claims only. He might as well be Nigerian, Pakistani, Ghanian, whatever.

6. The amount of people scamming for an EU visa ( and Poland is a part of the EU having entered it in 2004 ) IMHO justifies being prudent and cautious when handing out advice to people who may be scammers.

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Dec 20, 10, 16:14 #22

xeson:

is that what you want all americans to react when any polish persons want to come to usa, to treat you with that same disrespect?

Perhaps they all experienced it already. What goes around comes around.

xeson:

i hope if you ever want to come to us that you dont encounter the visa personal with your same mindset, yet if so maybe you would realize how it feels.

Too late for that, ask anyone who ever went for the interview and experienced the so called welcoming attitude of the America for themselves. Denigrating a person and disrespecting him/her from the start is a matter of US policy not that of a personal choice of the officials involved, just ask around. Some of the questions that are asked of people of your own age, a grandma who wants nothing more than to visit her grand-kids and see for yourself why she will take them as a personal insult and attack on her morals, then and only then you might have a deeper understanding of the subject. The words engraved on the statue of liberty lost their meaning long time ago and haven’t been adhere to during you entire life, if they ever were that is. Nice piece of propaganda though. I’m not trying to attack you, what you wrote there makes a lot of sense, too bad the reality is way different to the ideals that we hold to be true but I feel that brute honesty is needed sometimes. Like it or not that’s the world we live in and I do apologize if I hurt you feelings by making this comment.

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Dec 21, 10, 21:00 #23

Lord. I swear. Im not an African. And even if I were. So what? I am as white as white gets. I'm a poor boy from the South. I remember what it was like to try to get my wife a green card at the embassy. Sir, you have to prove you have been living and working in the USA for 3 years earning a minimum of $30k per year. Otherwise, you have to get a sponsor. My family hadn't even met the woman. I couldn't get anyone to sponsor her. I asked the consulate, just how am I supposed to come to Poland and meet a woman want to marry but at the same time, having been in the USA for 3 years? Now that supports scams, not love. 3 years back and forth trying to raise the money to get her over here to the USA. It would have been better just to stay in Poland. Politics make me wretch.

Damn be the politics. Damn be the immigration officers. Damn be Hillary Clinton. And yes, I realize Poland has always been a close friend to the USA. And I realize as well that Poles are treated like crap when it comes to visas. It pisses me off when I read that the French, who hate us, or the Brits, who resent us, can come when they want, but Poland..ohhhhhh..noooooo...they have to apply. What a bunch of crap!!.

I lived in Krakow. I lived in Poznan. I lived in Warsaw. I lived in Pulawy., I used to visit Hel every summer. Now..with my current situation, I have to beg to even be able to live there. I understand how Poles feel. I get it. They can reverse the frustration because of Schengen and the EU. I had a vested life in Poland. I'm getting old. I want to live in Poland. That's all. I'll live in Division 303 and Nowa Huta again if have to. I don't care. I just want to live and die there!! DAMN!!!

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Dec 21, 10, 21:19 #24

Dude take it easy.If you want to live in Poland so much just go there and find a way to legalize your status.I really don't see a problem and if I were you I would be already on the plane instead of wasting my time on this forum.Getting married seems to be your best bet and it should be easy for you to find a bride.

geoffreysinclai:

Sir, you have to prove you have been living and working in the USA for 3 years earning a minimum of $30k per year.

It's $15k not 30.

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Dec 21, 10, 22:31 #25

All this seems to me that the Polish authorities are getting their own back. Sorry to say this Geoff, but in a way I'm glad to hear it! It's politics; nothing personal. Today I sometimes travel between Poland and UK, and much more frequently during the 1990s, by coach. Every single time I entered the UK via Dover, the Poles were treated at that border post like total crap. One example out of many I personally witnessed: a Polish woman doctor who provided documentary proof that she prepaid for a course to learn English language in UK, and had prepaid accommodation arranged by that language school (I craned my neck to see the documents, and I noted 'Churchill House School of English'), she was grilled by the receptionist (the so-called immigration 'officer') who asked "why do you need to learn English when you are already a doctor in Poland?" A typical unanswerable question. On that 'basis' she was deported. Yes I'm angry at that even now. Your country did that to us for sssooo long, and when we do the same to you, you don't like it. On a personal level it isn't justified for you; understandable. It's how it is. If it was up to me I'd be happy to let you in, if on the basis of what you said above is correct.

geoffreysinclaiThreads: 1 Posts: 8 Joined: Dec 14, 10 ♂	Dec 21, 10, 23:49 #26
If it's 15k I'm pissed off. I loved my wife. It destroyed our marriage to have to work toward the requirements.. Dear God. I loved her and Poland so much. My life would have been so much better had I remained, I guess after some years I also bought into the American dream. What a bunch if BS.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Dec 22, 10, 00:09 #27

geoffreysinclai:

Now..with my current situation, I have to beg to even be able to live there. I understand how Poles feel. I get it. They can reverse the frustration because of Schengen and the EU. I had a vested life in Poland. I'm getting old. I want to live in Poland. That's all. I'll live in Division 303 and Nowa Huta again if have to. I don't care. I just want to live and die there!! DAMN!!!

You don't even have to beg to live here. Just come here, open a business and pay ZUS every month, along with applying for a residence permit every year. It's unheard of for Americans to be denied the residence permit based on self employment, unless your business isn't making enough profit and you aren't declaring other sources of income.

Really, couldn't be easier. You can get permanent residency after 5 years as well, so even easier for you.

You don't need us to advise you on how to buy a flight, right?

bimber94Threads: 9 Posts: 400 Joined: Mar 13, 09 ♂	Dec 22, 10, 01:15 #28
It's all mind. It's all attachment to the past. Let go of it and if you are able, start a new life wherever on the planet your mind/ego desires. Go for it. Don't be shy YOUR MOTHER WASN'T!

geoffreysinclaiThreads: 1 Posts: 8 Joined: Dec 14, 10 ♂	Dec 30, 10, 18:53 #29
You are funny. But what you say is true. Thing is, I feel that the past is all I have. OI am going to do the business thing that was recommended. I love Poland this time of year. See you there.

bimber94Threads: 9 Posts: 400 Joined: Mar 13, 09 ♂	Dec 30, 10, 20:06 #30
Good luck and all the best. Happy New Year 2011. Enjoy the blizzards for the next three months :D

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