child support order.

bourdainab	Jan 22, 12, 23:19 #1
Can a Woman file for child suport in u.s.a,if the child was born in poland and has no contact with the child.where does she have jurisdiction in u.s court,shouldnt this be filed in polish court for child support?should the support be in dollars or polish zloty?

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,955 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Jan 22, 12, 23:25 #2
how she can file for child support if she does not have custody of the child? first she needs to have a custody of a child and that needs to be file in the country where is the child is.

bourdainab	Jan 22, 12, 23:29 #3
she does have full custody of the child.the child was born in poland.can she somehow win in court in u.s.a from child support?

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Jan 22, 12, 23:37 #4

bourdainab:

she does have full custody of the child.the child was born in poland.can she somehow win in court in u.s.a from child support?

Where does the child live?

If the child doesn't live in the USA, she can't file there. But if the kid lives in Poland, she can file there and will be able to absolutely take the father to the cleaners. Then she applies to the USA court to have the judgment of the Polish court enforced.

Good luck: you are going to need it.

bourdainab

Jan 22, 12, 23:58 #5

well somehow she already filed here in u.s.a and won.how can she get paid 1200.00 polish$ a month.people make that working for whole month.u.s court has no idea where the child is,expect(poland)where are the rights for the father?what just pay?she makes no effort for father/daughter relationship.there is no law to support the judges descision in this case!!
child support order isnt even in polish courts!!just watching my back here!!

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 23, 12, 00:08 #6
bourdainab: .how can she get paid 1200.00 polish$ a month.people make that working for whole month. Minimum wage in Poland is more than 1,200zl per month. And if a Polish court ordered a foreign father who lives in the USA to pay only 1,200zl per month, that father got off very lightly.

bourdainab	Jan 23, 12, 00:18 #7
yeah and what law is this your reading?nice opinion but your off just a bit. The court has no idea where the child is,have no idea of the living situation.nothing! you really dont know all the facts.thank's for the info:)

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Jan 23, 12, 00:21 #8
bourdainab: you really dont know all the facts neither do you, it seems. your posts are a jumbled mess.

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Jan 23, 12, 00:32 #9
bourdainab: she makes no effort for father/daughter relationship. That's your job. The child might be in US. Wherever it is, the courts know. Petition to see the child. And if you don't want to see the child, money is the least you can contribute.

bourdainab

Jan 23, 12, 00:45 #10

Courts dont know anything.Guess all people in Poland are money hungary!
you guys are forgetting there is a child growing up without a father,due to the mothers narcisstic behavior.Now all she wants is money and no rights for the father?Why cant the child come to u.s.a to visit her father?seems the mother calls all the shots in life and court?thats not right!
what maybe pay her 2,000zl per month and have no contact with the child,and everybodys happy??men in prison have more rights to there child,than me!!think about that!!

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 23, 12, 00:48 #11
bourdainab: seems the mother calls all the shots in life and court?thats not right! More that a Pole calls almost all the shots in a Polish court, whether they are the father or the mother.

bourdainab	Jan 23, 12, 00:53 #12
well explain how the polish court has no judgement for support in poland.Only in u.s.a where the child wasnt born.there are procedural guidelines in filing for child support.Neither the court in u.s.a or the mother followed them.Have a problem more with the court system than with mother.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 23, 12, 01:00 #13
bourdainab: Only in u.s.a where the child wasnt born. Where the child was born is meaningless. Where the child lives is what counts.

bourdainab	Jan 23, 12, 01:02 #14
ok,so the mother shouldve filed in poland for child support where they live,NOT u.s.a!!

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 23, 12, 01:04 #15
bourdainab: ok,so the mother shouldve filed in poland for child support where they live,NOT u.s.a!! Why would a US court issue a ruling that the father has to pay 1,200zl per month? In fact, why would a US court even agree to hear a case over which it had no jurisdiction?

bourdainab	Jan 23, 12, 01:09 #16
Thats what happened here.1st jugde ruled in my favor,then change her mind on appeal based on UIFSA law.UIFSA law is state to state in u.s.a not international.maybe the Judge had no clue about the laws pertaining to this case.goin to court next month for another hearing,.

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Jan 23, 12, 12:39 #17

bourdainab:

Thats what happened here.1st jugde ruled in my favor,then change her mind on appeal based on UIFSA law.UIFSA law is state to state in u.s.a not international.maybe the Judge had no clue about the laws pertaining to this case.goin to court next month for another hearing,.

Are you sure the child is in Poland. Sounds like they moved out of state. Unless they retained a lawyer prior to moving to Poland (Divorce lawyers are the worst) What state are you in as state to state laws vary to some degree.

sa11yThreads: 4 Posts: 191 Joined: Dec 12, 11 ♀	Jan 23, 12, 12:56 #18
bourdainab: how can she get paid 1200.00 polish$ a month.people make that working for whole month Yes - some earn 1200 PLN/month and some earn 12000 PLN/month. What's your point? You think 400 USD/month is too much? If she works full time, doesn't have family to look after the kid and the kid could not get into nursery, she will pay the 1200 PLN/mont for the nanny.

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Jan 23, 12, 13:02 #19

markskibniewski:

bourdainab: Thats what happened here.1st jugde ruled in my favor,then change her mind on appeal based on UIFSA law.UIFSA law is state to state in u.s.a not international.maybe the Judge had no clue about the laws pertaining to this case.goin to court next month for another hearing,.
Are you sure the child is in Poland. Sounds like they moved out of state. Unless they retained a lawyer prior to moving to Poland (Divorce lawyers are the worst) What state are you in as state to state laws vary to some degree.

Also curious was paternity established? If it wasn't you may wish to do so as it will make visitation judgements easier. Also this is one of the agencies in Poland that may be able to help. It is a bit old but may still be of use.

The National Child Support Enforcement Association
February 25, 2004
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POLAND Send Correspondence to:
(NY;FRC;HG56;HG73;RA)

Deputy Minister of Justice
Polish People's Republic
AL. Ujazdowskie 11
Warsaw PL 00950

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Jan 23, 12, 13:03 #20

bourdainab:

Why would a US court issue a ruling that the father has to pay 1,200zl per month?
In fact, why would a US court even agree to hear a case over which it had no jurisdiction

I think we only hear a part of the story here. Looks like father is American, so mother applied for child support at the "source". If the father is identified all she had to do was give his name to the court/ child support and they do the rest - or am I mistaken?

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 23, 12, 13:22 #21
markskibniewski: POLAND Send Correspondence to: (NY;FRC;HG56;HG73;RA) Deputy Minister of Justice Polish People's Republic AL. Ujazdowskie 11 Warsaw PL 00950 Eerrr.... It might not be a good idea writing to that address...

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Edited by: markskibniewski Jan 23, 12, 13:22 #22

sa11y:

Yes - some earn 1200 PLN/month and some earn 12000 PLN/month. What's your point? You think 400 USD/month is too much?
If she works full time, doesn't have family to look after the kid and the kid could not get into nursery, she will pay the 1200 PLN/mont for the nanny.

The point is the guy wants visitation. Why should he have to shell out a dime if not guaranteed his paternal rights. He obviously wants to raise the child if he wants visitation. If the mother decided to run and has no support system that is on her. He shouldn't be made to suffer because the childs mother made a poor decision. (assuming she has no support system)

sa11y:

I think we only hear a part of the story here. Looks like father is American, so mother applied for child support at the "source". If the father is identified all she had to do was give his name to the court/ child support and they do the rest - or am I mistaken?

Actually he doesn't even have to be identified as the father but just named the father by the mother.

delphiandomine:

Eerrr....

It might not be a good idea writing to that address...

If you have a more current one that would be helpful..... Why is that not a good address...I mean other than that gentlemen may not be in charge anymore.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: delphiandomine Jan 23, 12, 13:46 #23
markskibniewski: If you have a more current one that would be helpful..... Why is that not a good address...I mean other than that gentlemen may not be in charge anymore. It's just...er...slightly out of date. I can also guarantee that such a letter wouldn't get delivered.

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Jan 23, 12, 14:12 #24

markskibniewski:

The point is the guy wants visitation. Why should he have to shell out a dime if not guaranteed his paternal rights. He obviously wants to raise the child if he wants visitation. If the mother decided to run and has no support system that is on her. He shouldn't be made to suffer because the childs mother made a poor decision. (assuming she has no support system)

Yes - you are right here, but the issue is that he now has to take care of this part. I'm not sure if he actually wants to raise the child, but he should have some visitation rights regardless. If the women used him as a "sperm bank" then she shouldn't now ask for money, if she is asking for money she should allow him to see the kid.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Jan 23, 12, 14:19 #25
markskibniewski: The point is the guy wants visitation. Why should he have to shell out a dime if not guaranteed his paternal rights. It would be easier to say that if one knew the whole story, rather than just one side of it that has been spewed out on the internet.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 23, 12, 14:29 #26
JonnyM: It would be easier to say that if one knew the whole story, rather than just one side of it that has been spewed out on the internet. Of course he's done nothing wrong. Of course the woman is just some greedy foreigner who wants to take him for everything he has. Of course. I doubt he'll tell her side of the story, though.

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Jan 23, 12, 14:42 #27

sa11y:

Yes - you are right here, but the issue is that he now has to take care of this part. I'm not sure if he actually wants to raise the child, but he should have some visitation rights regardless. If the women used him as a "sperm bank" then she shouldn't now ask for money, if she is asking for money she should allow him to see the kid.

There is no doubt a father should always take care of his own. Even if she used him as a sperm bank he should still take care of his obligations.

I will have to warn OP. I am not sure what the laws are in your state but the amount awarded does not seem outlandish. If you persue in Polish court, from what other postings on this site seem to indicate is that Polish courts tend to screw foreigners. I am not sure if she has the right to sue in Poland also, or at least seek an adjustment on future earnings in Poland but if she does if you marry she will be able to adjust the amount if your spouce also contributes to your household. In other words if you are looking for a battle you may lose at least financially. I would consult a Polish attorny to check your options.

JonnyM:

It would be easier to say that if one knew the whole story, rather than just one side of it that has been spewed out on the internet.

Agreed.

bourdainab

Jan 24, 12, 00:34 #28

i wouldnt tell her story??here it is!!my ex wife was 28 wks prego when she bought 1-way ticket and left the country.now i have to give her money for the child??doesnt the child have the right also to have a father present??????1200 or 12000 come be serious,most people leave poland to get better jobs in other countries.and as far as her not having money for daycare or whatever,MAYBE SHE SHOULDVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT THE DAY SHE GOT HER 1-WAY TICKET:)).I HAVE NO PROBLEM PAYING,BUT I WANT RIGHTS IN U.S.A NOT POLAND I DONT LIVE THERE!!I
I SENT BIKE,POOL,CLOTHES,NOT TO MENTION MONEY and what did i get for me efforts??2-3 pics per yr.
......Yes - some earn 1200 PLN/month and some earn 12000 PLN/month. What's your point? You think 400 USD/month is too much?
If she works full time, doesn't have family to look after the kid and the kid could not get into nursery, she will pay the 1200 PLN/mont for the nanny.
whats ur point buddy??like i said the ex wife shouldve think about money issue when she left the country.....
you people NEED TO REALIZE SHE TOOK MY UNBORN CHILD FROM ME!!!!!!!

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Jan 24, 12, 01:36 #29

bourdainab:

i said the ex wife shouldve think about money issue when she left the country.....

I think she was. $400.00 per month is a drop in the bucket here but in Poland that can go a whole lot further.

bourdainab:

??here it is!!my ex wife was 28 wks prego when she bought 1-way ticket

When was the divorce finalized? Did she have the courts permission to leave the country? What was your visitation?

Dude I feel for you. Once the courts give them full custody, you are at thier mercy. As I posted earlier, be careful. I would definately consult a Polish attorny to find out your options.

jasondmzkThreads: 31 Posts: 503 Joined: Jun 1, 11 ♂	Jan 24, 12, 07:21 #30
markskibniewski: If the mother decided to run and has no support system that is on her. No. It's not money for HER. It's money for the CHILD. It's most definitely on him.

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