I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Aug 3, 11, 04:36 #151
Zimmy who?

beckskiThreads: 19 Posts: 2,148 Joined: May 15, 07 MEMBER ♀	Aug 3, 11, 04:41 #152
Zimmy who? Lol, Zimmy's been a bit more mellow lately, trying to offer his friendly advice on PF (cough, cough.) I let him borrow my Midol. A sincere thanks PF, for putting up with me FIVE terrific years, muah!

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Aug 3, 11, 04:48 #153
That can't be true! He's still on my banned list.. you really think I can peak without getting aggravated?

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Edited by: ZIMMY Aug 3, 11, 18:26 #154

Zimmy who?

Known to his friends as "dynamic and innovative and of course modest"; all this and so much more despite his good looks.
Known to his enemies as the "Hammer of the Gods" and "Destroyer of Political Correctness".

He's still on my banned list.

Oh c'mon; we all know you're just saying that. Have you paid the experts yet?; the ones you hired to decipher my every word and meaning?

you really think I can peak without getting aggravated?

No; you can't because you have not yet evolved to use logic instead of emotion; but someday, if you conquer your fear of the truth you just might make it:)

Zimmy's been a bit more mellow lately,

I am the most mellow-fellow on the north American continent.

I let him borrow my Midol.

That's what you told me but then I noticed that the pill you gave me looked a lot like a Viagra pill. Really now....

edit: f stop; One more bit of advice: When women use logic instead of emotion, it is noticeable that their butts get smaller. My scientific team is working on explaining this phenomena.

Chaotic	Aug 30, 11, 16:42 #155
Zimmy, can you do us all a favour and turn gay? Then we can be spared your ignorant proclamations about women. Seriously - I'll bet you hardly know any apart from your mother and the neighbour you secretly covet. Kurt, good luck with your situation.

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Edited by: adriokor Aug 30, 11, 18:29 #156

Since you are asking for advice on a public board.

I would not move to a foreign country/no language with a marriage which seems to be ending. You will not only loose most of your legal power but you will also loose you friends' support network (which will be very hard on you psychologically) combined with being in a country where you cannot communicate/different culture - the results will be disastrous on you psychologically speaking - especially with a divorce looming.

As I understand you are thinking of giving into her conditions of trying to work things out, they will not, definitely not if you both move to poland where she will be on her territory. I cannot speak for her intentions, however, I do know, that changing a scenery is not going to solve the problems which brought both of you to a point where there is talk about divorce.

If you truly care about the marriage and/or daughter - go to a marriage counsellor in britain. If she refuses you can only get a divorce and hope to get a custody of the daughter (you can fight her in court and base your case that your daughter will have a better standard of living in the uk/that you have also been the provider for the family and your wife does not even work).

If you ever do decide to move to poland you have to do so with careful planing (get a job with a UK company doing business in Poland/take polish lessons). Otherwise it will fail.

I made a mistake of moving to another country for a woman giving up my former life and it did not turn out well..... The other tidbits about psychology and support network (which is needed in times of stress) you can ask any psychologist about.

Whatever happens with your family I wish you good luck :)

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Aug 30, 11, 18:47 #157
Zimmy, can you do us all a favour and turn gay? Ignore button works for me. I think Zimmy's mom did not pay enough attention to him, that's why he still so desperately seeks it.

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Aug 31, 11, 16:40 #158

Zimmy, can you do us all a favour and turn gay?

Alright, I'll try really really hard. I've begun to concentrate now.........

your ignorant proclamations about women.

Can you name some? I suspect that you reinterpret what you don't like into something completely different.

your mother

Must you go down the "your mother" road? Are you that barren of real dialogue? (I'll leave your mother out of this because I am much more gracious than you).

...the neighbour you secretly covet.

My neighbor is 175 years old. But you should see his grandmother.

Ignore button works for me.

...and yet, you still verbalize about me. Hmmm, interesting.

Zimmy's mom

Another "mother'" reference eh? You deserve a spanking. Let me know when you're in town.

... he still so desperately seeks it.

I've rarely been treated to such strong personal projection. I'll look forward to your future comments about me. You can't help yourself, right?

hatay	Oct 19, 11, 12:05 #159
l have child in poland l am in turkey can l go to poland

PWEIThreads: 5 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂	Oct 19, 11, 13:29 #160
hatay: l have child in poland l am in turkey can l go to poland Sure, as long as you have a visa.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂	Oct 22, 11, 14:57 #161
You have a child in a different country? Well, here are some reasons why women prefer to raise a child by themselves: http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/10/17/the-narcissism-of-single-mot herhood-straight-from-the-horses-mouth/ Note the extremely high immaturity level noted under 'reasons'. Yet, these women are raising children?? Shocking. The comments section is worth reading as well.

wardah_uk

Jan 10, 12, 18:43 #162

Dear readers,

I am talking on behalf of a friend of mine who is suffering the same dilemma as Kurt, except is doesn't live in UK or Poland. The marriage certificate was issued from a foreign registry office in Egypt with that international marriage certificate the polish wife certified it in Poland to give herself the right to be known married. the husband has never lived in Poland as she was settled with him in egypt after 3 years of marriage she decided to take the children to poland and milk the poor man for money which he never refused to supply... after another 3 years of maintenance the mother of two wants the ex-husband to get her a descent flat plus a higher monthly maintenance and went further in rising the issue to the courts and sending letters to egypt to confirm that the father has received them. The question now, what can a Polish law do to harm him financially knowing that he never applied for a polish citizenship and doesn't have the intention to do so... All he wants is have a access to the children once or twice a year plus a friendly mutual money transfer every month.

He is worried now that his parents have signed the papers sent from her sollicitor asking him officially for a regular monthly maintenance and providing a residency to the mother and children plus asking him to sign a declaration giving the mother the total authority with the children ... I had a look at the international law when it comes to foreigners married to european citizens... Still this is beyond my capacity of understanding. This gentleman has gone ahead and signed a divorce petition in the same registry office in egypt just because in the islamic law a woman can be divorced even in her absence.

I would be grateful if you could help me out on this matter and your advices will be extremely valued.

Best regards,

Wardah.

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Jan 10, 12, 19:29 #163

wardah_uk:

The marriage certificate was issued from a foreign registry office in Egypt with that international marriage certificate the polish wife certified it in Poland to give herself the right to be known married. the husband has never lived in Poland as she was settled with him in egypt after 3 years of marriage she decided to take the children to poland and milk the poor man for money which he never refused to supply... after another 3 years of maintenance the mother of two wants the ex-husband to get her a descent flat plus a higher monthly maintenance and went further in rising the issue to the courts and sending letters to egypt to confirm that the father has received them. The question now, what can a Polish law do to harm him financially knowing that he never applied for a polish citizenship and doesn't have the intention to do so... All he wants is have a access to the children once or twice a year plus a friendly mutual money transfer every month.

Hmm, tricky.

As Egypt has signed up to the Hague convention, a Polish court should in theory recognise a judgment issued by an Egyptian court with regard to a divorce. So if your friend can get a valid divorce done before his wife does, that will in theory be the binding one. So he really needs to get a move on with that.

However, with that said, a Polish court might well decide to completely ignore the Egyptian court's ruling and make one of its own (Polish courts are famed for that). While having a prior ruling from an Egyptian court will mean that no financial rulings can be enforced on your friend, he might well find that his access is severely limited.

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Edited by: Midas Jan 10, 12, 20:02 #164

the husband has never lived in Poland as she was settled with him in egypt after 3 years of marriage she decided to take the children to poland and milk the poor man for money which he never refused to supply

You jest, right?

Or is it one of those situations in which an Arabic person is treating foreigners like complete suckers?

Egyptians are very well known for seducing dumb and naive women ( nowadays mostly women from Eastern Europe, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, that lot ) in order to gain EU residency. They are also not above blatantly lying to such women to get cash ( they text them to send 3.000 dollars because the Egyptian guy's mom is supposedly ill, lol ).

Here's a documentary that deals with it ( first part, links to parts 2 and 3 available there ):

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh17oj_darling-i-lowe-ju-1-3_lifestyl e

Here's the ( extremely funny due to the level of absurd, only available for Polish speakers ) link to the topic about "Egyptian lovers" on the Polish forum for women called "kafeteria". It got closed after the documentary I linked was released, but the old content is still available:

http://forum.gazeta.pl/forum/f,24864,Faceci_z_Egiptu.html

Basically Egyptian guys are notorious for using women from Eastern Europe as tickets to the EU. Also, they hardly ever pay ANY child support, because back on planet Earth where we all live people in Poland earn halfway decent wages and people in Egypt get paid in peanuts, fish scales and bird droppings.

So Egyptian guys employed in Egypt usually don't pay alimony to their Eastern European "brides" because THEY CAN'T BLOODY AFFORD IT.

So don't feed us bullshit.

after another 3 years of maintenance the mother of two wants the ex-husband to get her a descent flat plus a higher monthly maintenance and went further in rising the issue to the courts and sending letters to egypt to confirm that the father has received them.

Again, you either write blatant lies or have no knowledge of the topic whatsoever.

The average price of an apartment in Warsaw, Cracow, Wroclaw, Gdansk or any other major metropolitan area in Poland is such that a person employed on an Egyptian wage will not be able to purchase one even if that person worked for 50 years. Last time I looked at the real estate market in Mokotow, Warsaw, the pads were pretty much as pricey as the ones in Miami, Florida. You don't see many Egyptians buying those either.

The question now, what can a Polish law do to harm him financially knowing that he never applied for a polish citizenship and doesn't have the intention to do so...

Right, that would be a first.

This gentleman has gone ahead and signed a divorce petition in the same registry office in egypt just because in the islamic law a woman can be divorced even in her absence.

And that of course you find all fine and dandy, but if a Polish girl's lawyer has the audacity to actually have court summons sent to Egypt then it is of course, an outrage.

I would be grateful if you could help me out on this matter and your advices will be extremely valued.

There is nothing to help "your friend" out with here, a ruling of a Polish court, even a one establishing some alimony payments is, as we both know, hardly worth the paper it is written on in Egypt and the peanuts "your friend" earns are VERY safe from that Polish girl, as long as he earns them in Egypt and not in Poland or the UK.

She probably just found some sucker in Poland willing to take her in after her "Egyptian vacation" and needs to get the divorce done asap with some judge signing off on the sentence that will say her ex-husband is fully liable for the dissolution of marriage ( "orzeczenie o pelnej winie" ) so that her freshly-found Polish sucker is satisfied.

wardah_uk

Jan 10, 12, 20:34 #165

Dear Middas,
My friend is marketing manager in Pepsi company in riyath, he earns his living with dollars, he is a very genuine man I must admit and he is willing to support her as long as she stops going behind his back and come with some sly documents and threats. she lived with him in riyath for three years and then had an affair with a polish guy that's why he had to divorce her, but for a three years solid he hasn't stopped supporting her financialy because of the children he loves most... It was never a holiday fling. He comes from a wealthy family too so he is not after anything, the proof he never sought polish citizenship.

Still I agree with you when it comes to the youth that target foreign girls for convenience, except he is not of them this time.

Thank you for enlightening me anyways... and by the way I am just trying to help as a friend I am a mum myself and I don't appreciate divorce or blackmailing either.

wardah_uk	Jan 10, 12, 20:38 #166
Thank you Harry for your prompt response, I shall inform him asap. He has already issued the divorce and is sending it to the court he is meant to attend on february this year. Now is he really liable by Polish court to sustain her financially and supply a place for her and the kids though he hasn't lived with them for three years? Really complicated :S

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 10, 12, 20:46 #167
wardah_uk: Now is he really liable by Polish court to sustain her financially and supply a place for her and the kids though he hasn't lived with them for three years? Yes. He will have to pay child support regardless. However, the court in Poland should accept whatever ruling has been issued by the Egyptian court. Should, but may well not.

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Edited by: Midas Jan 10, 12, 21:15 #168

1) We both know that a court in Egypt, a muslim country, with the judge being most likely male, will not choose to enforce a ruling of a court in Poland that was issued on behalf of some female Polish non-muslim "sharmouta" if it would harm a God-fearing muslim male, so let's stop beating about the bush.

Egyptian guys have a downright bad reputation in Poland at the moment ( please see the documentary I linked up ) and the girl probably needs a divorce ruling obtained quickly in which a Polish judge will say that she's a pure virgin without a fault, so she can placate some Polish sucker willing to take her in after her x years of "vacation" in Egypt.

2)

Yes. He will have to pay child support regardless.

Only if he wants to, the ruling of a Polish court isn't IMO enforceable in Egypt.

3)

in riyath

Do you mean Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia? ( not that it changes anything, the Kingdom is even more pro-muslim and anti-female than Egypt ).

4)

she stops going behind his back and come with some sly documents and threats.

I'm sorry, but filing an appropriate petition in a court of law is a perfectly proper solution in terms of dissolving a marriage and she can't be viewed as a backstabbing person if she's just doing that. It is called protecting one's rights and there's nothing dastardly about it.

5)

then had an affair with a polish guy that's why he had to divorce her,

I find it hard to believe, since the number of Polish guys in Egypt and in Riyadh, S.A. is negligible and Polish girls who go for Arabic blokes usually consider Polish guys chimpanzees not worthy of their attention.

But ok, it is his story and let's assume it is true.

6)

for a three years solid he hasn't stopped supporting her financialy because of the children he loves most...

He's not doing anyone a favour by paying child support, but ok, it does put him in a favorable light when compared to most Egyptian guys who "broke off their ties" with their Polish women.

7)

he has already issued the divorce and is sending it to the court he is meant to attend on february this year.

You mean the Egyptian divorce? He should obtain in a lot quicker then she obtains divorce in Poland, but whether a Polish court will honor such a ruling is anyone's guess, methinks the answer is "no".

8)

Now is he really liable by Polish court to sustain her financially and supply a place for her and the kids though he hasn't lived with them for three years?

The Polish court may issue a ruling for him to sustain her financially if he's found to be the solely guilty party in a divorce case.

Notice that I wrote her, as I'm now referring to a ruling in which he's supposed to pay alimony for: a) the children and b) his former wife. That's what the girl's gunning for, but I think her true intentions fall along the lines I described in 1) above.

But I don't think he has to worry even if such a verdict is reached, provided he makes his money in Egypt ( or Riyadh, Saudi Arabia ), because a ruling from the Polish court can only be used as toilet paper in those parts.

If he has assets in Europe she might go after them, but that's pretty much it.

Harry -

Alternatively we can just have him roundly whipped until he buys his own ticket.

Splendid idea.

wardah_uk

Jan 10, 12, 21:44 #169

Thank you Middas,

I am really grateful, and do feel a bit ashamed because of all this hustle. I can just assure you that he would continue money regardless the Polish court would asks him to or not.
But after all she is a mum and she should protects herself and the kids' future, "agree" and him as a dad he has an obligation towards them.

He just wished she could stop listening to others and maintain a friendly relationship with him for the sake of the children ...

The polish guy was in Poland at the time, and she was caught texting him. Women tend to do some silly things sometimes.

Well my friend should be reassured when it comes to bureaucracy, and if I could speak and y polish I would have spoken to this lady and asked her to take it easy asnd friendly with her ex... she will earn his support and maintenance that way.

many thanks

wardah

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Jan 11, 12, 00:51 #170

Thank you Middas,

No problem.

I can just assure you that he would continue money regardless the Polish court would asks him to or not.
But after all she is a mum and she should protects herself and the kids' future, "agree" and him as a dad he has an obligation towards them.

He just wished she could stop listening to others and maintain a friendly relationship with him for the sake of the children ...

Yes, although we both know that at times maintaining friendly relationships after a marriage/stable relationship falls apart is impossible.

I personally think ( which is why I mentioned the prices ) that if she really expects the guy to buy her a flat in Poland ( which can cost more than a house in America these days ) then she's quite simply mad and should see a doctor.

I don't think your "friend" has anything to worry about regarding a possible sentence from the Polish court ( as I mentioned muslim countries and European family courts rarely see eye to eye ), but if he's that worried he probably should meet up with a lawyer in his place of main residence ( Riyadh or Egypt ) and ask about the enforceability of sentences handed down by European courts in his area of main residence.

More likely then not that he'll hear exactly what I wrote here --> that she might get a ruling in Poland which says he's supposed to build her a castle with 5 towers but that still won't mean any public official in Cairo or Riyadh will respect it.

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