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   Jun 22, 09, 22:06   #1
Hi Everyone,

Please advise.
I am thinking about taking a vacation to Krakow from my home in Prague.
I hear that the Krakow Ladies are so beautiful.
I was even considering moving to Krakow and trying to teach and play music.

But after reading these forums, and after having some bad experiences with Polish Ladies outside Poland, I am a little nervous to strike up any conversation.

And I am considering canceling my trip.

The last thing I need at my age is any kind of bad Western Attitude like the girls in the USA big cities give out or the girls in Prague give out.

I am not arrogant.
I am not looking for sex.
Just curious about the Polish Culture and the way some of the ladies think.

I studied Polish History a little and always had a deep respect for the way the Poles have fought bravely in history. I respected the Poles for their role in bringing down communism with the solidarity movement. I am sympathetic about the concentration camps and the katyn forest massacre.
And I respected the Poles for their Catholicism and one of the greatest Popes ever.

But things change.
And with Westernization attitudes change.
People get spoiled, selfish, and full of themselves and forget how to behave.

I try to be polite all the time.

But I have experienced this inferiority complex with Polish Ladies outside Poland several times. Manifested by sarcasm, criticism, smart-assed comments, and general disrespect, and poor low-level communication.

My question is this...
If I strike up conversation in some Jazz Club or on the street in Krakow with Polish Ladies age 25 to 35, how often am I going to get this bad attitude that I experienced with Polish Girls outside of Poland and I read about on these forums?

1 out of 5 times?
1 out of 10 times?
Or most of the time?

There is no exact number of course.
Just a thought experiment.
Maybe some other guys can give me their experiences.

I hate sarcasm and snide comments.
I had enough of it in the USA and Prague.
And if I want to meet an unfriendly, hostile girl, I can just approach some American Girl or some Czech Girl in Prague.

Should I even bother going to Krakow?
I don't need this crap.

Please be honest.

I thank you in advance.
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   Jun 22, 09, 22:10   #2
johncardwell:
1 out of 5 times?
1 out of 10 times?
Or most of the time?

i'd say it depends on you.
johncardwell:
The last thing I need at my age is any kind of bad Western Attitude like the girls in the USA big cities give out

seems to me it may be your vibe.
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   Jun 22, 09, 22:10   #3
johncardwell:
Should I even bother going to Krakow?

No.
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Edited by: SeanBM   Jun 22, 09, 22:12   #4
johncardwell:
Should I even bother going to Krakow?
I don't need this crap.

hello johncardwell,

And welcome to the Polish Forums.

It sounds like you have had some bad experiences but that is all they are.

If you come here thinking like that, it is not going to be pleasant.
I know you might think that I am being rude but I am not.
It seems to me, you will find what you are looking for and if you look for badness, well that is what you are going to get.

I am from Ireland and I live near Krakow and enjoy it here very much but that is just me.

Best of luck.
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   Jun 22, 09, 22:20   #5
johncardwell:
But I have experienced this inferiority complex with Polish Ladies outside Poland several times. Manifested by sarcasm, criticism, smart-assed comments, and general disrespect, and poor low-level communication.

johncardwell:
Should I even bother going to Krakow?

John, I think it might be best to stay home and re-group. Attitudes may be a reflection on how your presenting yourself. It sounds like you need to evaluate if your ready for any interaction with a WOMAN...Being happy within yourself would be a start.
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   Jun 22, 09, 22:26   #6
sadieann:
John, I think it might be best to stay home and re-group

And work on your chat up lines. The concentration camp angle does not seem to be working.
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   Jun 22, 09, 22:32   #7
johncardwell:
1 out of 5 times?
1 out of 10 times?
Or most of the time?

All the time.Hordes of british men have already destroyed the place.
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   Jun 22, 09, 22:52   #8
Hi everyone,

Thanks for the fast feedback.

I am friendly and try to be generous and mostly polite.

Had good experiences in Dublin, Berlin, Munich, San Jose CR, San Salvador, Mexico City, Guatemala City, Tijuana, San Francisco.

But not in Los Angeles or Prague.

And as you said, probably not in Krakow.

The attitude sounds all too familiar.

I am probably going to stay away for now.

Good advice.

I really appreciate it.

I owe you.

You probably saved me lots of frustration and money.

Sounds like there are other places where I am more compatible and so it is easier to be happier.

I can put my efforts there.

Once again thank you so much.
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   Jun 22, 09, 22:55   #9
Krakovians have a reputation for being snobby and up themselves, I don't know if it's true. Half truths here and there maybe.

Seriously, you have more options in life than to waste it on selfish, whimpering airheads.
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   Jun 22, 09, 22:55   #10
[quote=johncardwell]I can put my efforts there.

Try Berlin.

[quote=johncardwell]Once again thank you so much.

Any time pal.
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   Jun 22, 09, 23:34   #11
Hi everyone,

If you have interest, one more question.
I don't want to take so much of anyone's time.

What do you think is the friendliest city over 400,000 people in Poland?
Anyone have any experiences to share?

Remember, I am not looking for sex from the girls.
Just possibly some casual conversation without any strange, bad attitudes and big egos.

£ód¼?
Wroc³aw?
Poznań?
Gdańsk?
Szczecin?

Not including Warsaw or Krakow.

In Czech Republic Ostrava and Brno have a better reputation for friendliness than Prague.
I learned this from some of my Czech Students. If anyone is coming to Prague, I would warn you to be aware of the low-level of service and the high-nose in the air, rotten
selfish, attitude.
I have never seen tourists treated so poorly as I have seen in Prague.
Anti-hospitality. Prague People should really be ashamed or their reputation.
As long as you focus on the beautiful architecture of Prague and try to avoid the locals you should be Ok. There are actual schools here that specialize in correcting poor behavior for the tourism industry. And sales jobs are open to foreigners here because the locals have such an inferiority problem, that they abuse the customers or can't even pick up the phone to make a sales call.

What a joke.

If anyone wants an insider's perspective on Prague I can give it to you through private email, no problem. I have lived here for four years and know the city pretty well, operate a small tourism business, and would be happy to give you some tips to make your stay
here better if you decide to come.

Thank you in advance.
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   Jun 22, 09, 23:35   #12
Women in Krakow are great, nuff said :)
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   Jun 22, 09, 23:40   #13
johncardwell:
And as you said, probably not in Krakow.

The attitude sounds all too familiar.

I am probably going to stay away for now.

Good advice.

I really appreciate it.

I owe you.

i can't believe that you based you actions on whatever the nutheads on some forum told you...
but after reading all of that, Krakow's women will be better off without you...
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   Jun 22, 09, 23:41   #14
johncardwell:
If anyone is coming to Prague, I would warn you to be aware of the low-level of service and the high-nose in the air, rotten
selfish, attitude.

All the people i know that have been there have said the opposite....are you sure its not you thats the problem...???
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   Jun 22, 09, 23:43   #15
pgtx:
i can't believe that you based you actions on whatever the nutheads on some forum told you...

i know its scary isn't it my dear!!!!

pgtx:
Krakow's women will be better off without you...

you think :)

To the original OP, haven't you already got enough women in Prague to get around, although i guess you have to pay for 60% of those women as one of the most popular jobs in Prague seems to be prostitution (Although i must add they are not usually czech girls as far as i'm aware)
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   Jun 22, 09, 23:43   #16
pgtx:
pgtx

are you denying then that krokowianki are stuck up? hehe
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   Jun 22, 09, 23:44   #17
wildrover:
....are you sure its not you thats the problem...???

wildrover
HMMMM..I wonder.., but John, needs to stay home and re-group.
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   Jun 22, 09, 23:50   #18
SeanBM:
I object to being referred in the same sentence with the other nut heads :)

yes, ok then...
:)

plk123:
are you denying then that krokowianki are stuck up? hehe

i'm not denying anything...
;)
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   Jun 23, 09, 00:04   #19
To the original OP, haven't you already got enough women in Prague to get around, although i guess you have to pay for 60% of those women as one of the most popular jobs in Prague seems to be prostitution (Although i must add they are not usually czech girls as far as i'm aware)

Tornado2007,

The Prague Girls are definitely not for me.
If the local guys are unhappy and unsuccessful with them it will probably be worse for me.
I try to be humble and know my limitations.
I don't like gambling when the odds are against me.

And I personally know of many men who have had some really bad experiences with the Prague Girls.
Locals and non-locals.
So I would not even try.

Divorce here is almost 70 percent.
And atheism is high.
So anything goes.

It seems like everyone is in bed with everyone.
Cheating is the norm.
Not my thing.
I think it is gross.

In fact Czech Girls in Prague might be the most promiscuous in Europe according to Czech Sociologist Petr Weiss.
Good if you are looking for fast sex.
But would you want this quality in someone serious?
I would not.

I hear it is very different outside Prague.
Many Czech Men look outside Prague to find someone serious.

As far as prostitution goes you are mostly correct from my opinion.
There so many working girls here.
But the dirty little secret is that most of the girls are Czech.
There are some Russian, Ukrainian, African, and Slovakian.
But mostly Czech.
The Czech People hate to admit it.
They usually blame Gypsies and Russians and Ukraine Girls for prostitution.

Predictable, yes?

I have one student who said over half the girls in his high school class were working as prostitutes.

This is why I am so keen to avoid any cities where there is a high ratio of girls that are strange.

I have had enough of this in Prague to last me a lifetime.
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   Jun 23, 09, 00:10   #20
pgtx:
i'm not denying anything...
;)

good. :D
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   Jun 23, 09, 08:58   #21
johncardwell:
And atheism is high.

This has a lot to do with it.That is why czech girls' attitude carries similarity to russian one.

johncardwell:
Czech Girls in Prague might be the most promiscuous in Europe

You talk too much.

johncardwell:
over half the girls in his high school class were working as prostitutes.

Yes,it is very common.But it is private,why are you concerned?Czech women claim that they make far better prostitutes than backwards ukrainian or russian women,they consider czech prostitutes to be classy.

johncardwell:
like everyone is in bed with everyone.
Cheating is the norm.

This increases your chances to bed a hot girl.One of my czech lovers admitted that she has one boyfriend and five lovers at the same time.Even married women have boyfriends and lovers even girl-lovers.Czechs are great there is much tolerance,no ground for macho attitude.
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Edited by: MrBubbles   Jun 23, 09, 11:52   #22
southern:
One of my czech lovers admitted that she has one boyfriend and five lovers at the same time

Don't know if I'd fancy that. I like a bit more tread on the tyres if you know what I mean.

johncardwell:
And with Westernization attitudes change.

I don't know if Poland has really ever been an Eastern country in the same sense as somewhere like India or Japan. The only real difference is that goods and money were not as available as in Western Europe for a couple of decades. Sure there are some good looking girls in Krakow (a lot with nice personalities to go with it) but you'll find a lot of them are getting a bad diet these days - both from McDonalds and MTV. Make what you will of that.

What was the name of your high school by the way? So I can avoid it next time I'm in Czech?
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   Jun 23, 09, 12:10   #23
Didn,t the original poster say he had a tourist business...?

Seems to me he has just boosted the tourist industry no end , as now there will be lots of sad old guys jetting off to Prague in the hope of a certain score with a nubile young lady.....Well done that man....
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   Jun 23, 09, 12:19   #24
wildrover:
Seems to me he has just boosted the tourist industry no end

Not to mention school attendance figures. Then again I reckon his student might have been exaggerating "they're all shagging around but not with me because they're all hookers" etc. etc.
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   Jun 23, 09, 14:03   #25
This increases your chances to bed a hot girl.One of my czech lovers admitted that she has one boyfriend and five lovers at the same time.Even married women have boyfriends and lovers even girl-lovers.Czechs are great there is much tolerance,no ground for macho attitude.

You are almost right on Southern.
They call it tolerance.
I call it fornicating monkees.

The Czech Physician Sociologist Petr Weiss writes extensively on this subject.
He is a brilliant man.
He is a good authority.

Interestingly some of the younger generation around 20 years old in Prague is rebelling against this behavior.
This behavior belongs mostly to the 25 to 45 year old bracket.

And many of the older Czech People really hate it and are embarassed by it.

Also remember this is in Prague.
Many Czech People outside Prague don't like Prague.

That is why I am so concerned about Ladies in Krakow.
Because I have had all the bad female behavior in Prague I can stomach.

But the beauty of the modern world is that people can migrate to the culture that suits them.

Me, Conservative Catholic/Christian, intellectual culture.

You, monkee culture.

Southern, you can have it all.
All this can be yours.
Even more so if you move to Prague.
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   Jun 23, 09, 14:19   #26
Who cares about bedding a hot girl? It's a fleeting moment, one of those transitory experiences. It comes with a lot of strings and baggage, best left alone.
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Edited by: southern   Jun 23, 09, 15:10   #27
johncardwell:
This behavior belongs mostly to the 25 to 45 year old bracket.

Exactly.How do you know that?The young generation gets gradually the feminist principles and westen attitude which is in fact conservatism compared to liberal attitude cultured in CR during communist times.

So czech women who were in their youth in the eighties are very sexually liberated,in the '90s also liberated but a bit more materialistic and now the young generation gradually adopts western values and becomes more conservative and extremely materialistic.
In my opinion the sexual liberation movement of the '60s really hit CR and was fired as real liberation since sex was one of the few things which remained free during communist regime.

Now when the '60s influence has started to faint and media promote western values,the society becomes more conservative.
On the other hand russian women in the age of 30-40 are very traditional and conservative compared to younger ones which means that sexual liberation movement did not affect Russia.Since western media has started to play there its role as well,the younger generation,under 25 has also become more conservative and materialistic than the 25-30 yo generation who lived the difficult times of transition and collapse of traditional values.

Anyway these are some observations.It is interesting that the czech sociologist agrees with this view regarding czech women.(he should know better).
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   Jun 23, 09, 18:21   #28
johncardwell:
Southern, you can have it all.
All this can be yours.

Thanks.
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Edited by: ZIMMY   Jun 23, 09, 18:57   #29
johncardwell:
The last thing I need at my age is any kind of bad Western Attitude like the girls in the USA big cities give out or the girls in Prague give out.

You are not the only one who knows this and is damn tired of it. Western women don't know how to be 'responsible' with all their freedoms. The more freedom women have the more they complain (usually about men). Their 'attitudes' are just plain disgusting.

More and more men have given up even trying to meet a 'sensible, nice' woman. They are out there but there are fewer and fewer of them. I've met women who had more than half their bosoms popping out, wearing a ultra short skirt and at the same time complaining that women are only seen as sex objects. That's how stupidly confused the modern woman is.

Go to Poland and enjoy your stay there. Be yourself and if some typically self-absorbed female gives you a problem - just ignore her. One thing women can't stand is being ignored.
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   Jun 23, 09, 19:16   #30
this thread is very entertaining. Thanks OP.
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   Jun 23, 09, 20:07   #31
Anyway these are some observations.It is interesting that the czech sociologist agrees with this view regarding czech women.(he should know better).

Petr Weiss should not "know any better."
He is a medical doctor and social scientist.
He makes lots of surveys and reports the facts as he sees them.
Whether it offends anyone or now is not his concern.
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Edited by: bambino7   Jun 30, 09, 16:00   #32
are you new in the dating game???? are you really a musician???
for musicians is very easy to chat with girls!!! go to a party or somewhere full of ladies and play your music! after that they will come to you and ask you where are you from, what are you doing there, about your repertoire, etc. etc. piece of cake!!!!
i wish i could play an musical instrument!!!!

well, this approach works 100% with latino ladies!
but i dont know anything about polish girls!!!
i will find out next week! :)
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   Jul 1, 09, 00:33   #33
One of my czech lovers explained to me very concisely the whole situation with czech women.She laughed when I told her that I think a czech girl has had about 8 boyfriends till the age of 24.She told me the real number of bfs a czech girl has had is close to 100.
She also explained to me why men suck in general and many women choose to raise families alone or have relationships with girls because guys are only trouble.

Other women do not sleep with husbands at all because they find them disgusting.Others date girls while they sleep with husband.Women like to treat guys the way guys treat women,they just fek them for one night and then throw them away and a lot more of interesting stuff.(not that I really did not suspect much of this).
Jihozapad    Jul 1, 09, 00:57   #34
This thread kind of reminds me of something one of my ex-girlfriends once said to me, when we were discussing holidays...

"Don't go to Paris! it's full of rude people and it's a dump"
"Italy's a sh*thole! Everyone's horrible there too"
"Malta is even worse - dirty, smelly, horrid rude people"
"I'm not going to Poland -everyone's rude and racist!"
"London's full of rude, stuck-up scum!"

Funny that. I've never been to Malta, but I've been to the rest, and never found any of the above. Likewise, with reference to replies above, I've been to Prague many times, and have always felt as welcome as I am when I visit family.

Maybe it's because of my attitude? ;)
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   Jul 1, 09, 21:37   #35
She told me the real number of bfs a czech girl has had is close to 100.
She also explained to me why men suck in general and many women choose to raise families alone or have relationships with girls because guys are only trouble.

Other women do not sleep with husbands at all because they find them disgusting.Others date girls while they sleep with husband.Women like to treat guys the way guys treat women,they just fek them for one night and then throw them away and a lot more of interesting stuff.

Your lover is exaggerating a little but mostly telling the truth.
Northern Bohemia is something like 30 to 40 percent single moms.

And I got so tired to hearing Czech Girls speak so bad of all men.
Even when they hook a foreign man they don't seem to be happy.

The only guys that cherish Czech Girls are the Brits, Americans, or Africans fresh off the boat.
Maybe because they don't know any better.
When you listen to Czech Girls speak of family they usually mean themselves, a baby, and their mother.
They don't mention a man.
They speak of having a baby but rarely speak of having a husband.

This culture is very broken at the family level.
Similar to some Black USA culture and White trailer park culture in the USA.

I know personally around 10 guys, Czech, American, Nigerian, British, and Scottish who had children with Czech Women and lost them in the divorce courts here.

Like Southern said, many Czech Women don't want anything to do with a man but they want the baby.
Hence the monkey-like behavior.

What a nightmare.

So the result is a super low birthrate.
Mostly for the reason no one wants to have children with each other.
Maybe better that no children are born here.

Some of the younger Czech Ladies who think differently move out of the country to places like Italy or Switzerland because they are more oriented toward a traditional family.

Interestingly, some of my older (50 plus) educated Czech Female Students told me they would not let their son marry a Czech Woman. I think that says lots.

It is important to remember that many Czech People are disgusted by this behavior.
So it is not everyone that is like this.

are you new in the dating game???? are you really a musician???

Hi Bambino,

Yes, I play here in Prague.
Jazz and Bossa Nova.
In fact I just finished playing about two hours ago.
But I am not a fit for Prague and I am looking around this summer for somewhere else to live.

I am also a teacher.

And I am on the conservative side.
So I am looking at Poland.
I think best for me to live in a place with more conservative women.

I am a little bit in shock from Prague.
Even after a few years here.

That is why I am concerned about attitudes in the cities like Krakow.

I don't want to be around the same types of Women as I have been around here in Prague.

But I am glad I didn't make the mistakes that other guys I know made here in Prague.


You are not the only one who knows this and is damn tired of it. Western women don't know how to be 'responsible' with

all their freedoms. The more freedom women have the more they complain (usually about men). Their 'attitudes' are just plain

disgusting.

I hope the Polish Ladies realize the reason why so many men in the world have an interest in them is because of their non-Western reputation. If they Westernize, the traits that caused the interest will die and eventually so will the interest.
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   Jul 1, 09, 22:07   #36
johncardwell:
johncardwell

And you think polish women are faithful?Get real man,if you want slavic girls,you have to get used to horns development.
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   Jul 1, 09, 22:36   #37
maybe you should try speaking to guys and see if you get a better response? why do you wanna talk to women? maybe they saw you chatting up different girls each night in Prague and thought you were a player.
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   Jul 1, 09, 22:46   #38
johncardwell:
In Czech Republic Ostrava and Brno have a better reputation for friendliness than Prague.

Ive been the Prague quite a few times and have found the Czechs nothing but nice....I also enjoyed Pilsen and Karlovy Vary...In fact every place Ive visited in t!he Czech Rep Ive found the poeple friendly and really helpful. Brno is hardly worth visiting to be honest, I visted on my way to Slovakia.

Krakow the customer service was crap but the people in general were very nice, Wraclaw the service was excellent and the people were nice...

johncardwell:
I hope the Polish Ladies realize the reason why so many men in the world have an interest in them is because of their non-Western reputation. If they Westernize, the traits that caused the interest will die and eventually so will the interest.

Oh dear another man who thinks that Polish women love nothing more than to stay at home and cook and clean LOL.....
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Edited by: tomekcatkins   Jul 2, 09, 02:51   #39
@TS

Dude, just speak to girls. Some are nice and maybe some aren't. Never ever had any bad experience in Krakow. - And if girls are b*tching, well then it's their problem. :P

Ok, don't be a mothers-boy and just give it a try! Good luck! :D
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   Jul 2, 09, 04:04   #40
Grow some balls, and get on with it. Krakow girls are top notch:)
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