Polish men what is the worst thing a girl can do upon first impression?

Feminists started out with wonderful intentions - to give women freedom of choice and equal rights - but at some point it turned into some sort of bizarre mission to prove that women can do everything better than men, by acting like men!

Please explain how.

If you don't like men that think women should be chained to the kitchen sink, then don't involve yourself with those kinds of men.

I do not feel the need to compete with men to validate my own importance as a person.

i was trying to point out that women can be equal in their own right, without having to try and be a man.

Why do you have to act like a man to be a powerful person in your own right? This is my main issue with modern feminism, acting like a man to be taken seriously as a woman!

Feminists started out with wonderful intentions - to give women freedom of choice and equal rights - but at some point it turned into some sort of bizarre mission to prove that women can do everything better than men, by acting like men!

it is simply an effort to dominate, humiliate, and make women look better than men.

I think it could very well be called "reverse sexism" because it is trying to make men look like the weaker sex. It has no relation to anything "equal" whatsoever. They blame men for what they are and don't accept their differences as equal (because they feel they must be like a man in order to not be weak). Old feminism ie. the right to vote etc. is quite noble in my opinion and it actually had some great core to it, but modern feminism is just nothing like it at all.

But on a serious note: why would we want to have meninism?

Men already have all the (basic-) rights given to themselves, there is no need to fight for equal rights for them.

I don't know, but what Allison said made me wonder. (I mean, being a woman, she must know something I don't?) Some things do annoy me if I look at all the imagery in the media these days, every guy has a six-pack, every guy is succesful, every guy drives a big fat car and wears a three piece suit, and you're a loser when you're working class.

Wrong, because many men are kept small by other men aswell. Homeless people? Mostly men. War casualties? Mostly men. Working class? Work until you're 67, and we don't care that your work is ten times heavier than any office job we do. We don't want you to enjoy your old days, and we hope you die so we keep your funds.

A 73 year old Berlusconi goes through hundreds of 18 year old girls, but let all those young working class guys shut up and forget about a girlfriend, let them work for us and let them die on the job. Or even better; Get immigrants to do the work for them, make them completely redundant and call them useless and lazy!

We already have sth to deal with that. It's called socialism :)

But what has this to do with equal opportunities? The point of feminism is simply that women who are just as intelligent or even smarter than some men, should get the same opportunity in work and in life.

It has nothing to do with the fact that not so smart ppl (or ppl who didn't want to go to school or were too lazy to learn) don't get a fat job. Every man in society is free to pursuit his ambitions and if you don't then that is fine, but don't blame it on the system afterwards when you find out that you will have to live on the edge of minimality for the rest of your life.

And war casualties are simply the product of the aforementioned simple patterns of thinking.

You're just jealous :)

I don't think you would complain if you were to be in his position.

Don't forget he didn't get his position "just like that", eh?

Just look at the elections?

If your parents can't afford college when you're younger, and if you can't afford college later on in life, simply because minimum wage has been kept low, unlike the rest of salary scales, then you're not as free to pursuit your ambitions as you may think, regardless of how smart you are.

Well, the educated ones are in charge are they not? I guess you need to adjust your theory about smart people?

Have a nice day M-G.

You know that yourself.

There are no equal opportunities in this society.There are priviledges,heritage etc.

Berlusconi

We are talking about a nation which voted Cicciolina for the parlament.

you're not smart enough to talk with me. Pls don't reply to my posts again.

men are no more nor less than you are.

M-G (feels truly sorry for Zimmy with his futile intelligence)

chewed you up and spit you out so I don't blame you for quitting your losing argument.
I do blame you however, for being a pretending elitist and a phony. At any rate I accept your capitulation.

By the way, my IQ is 158

In the US it may work like that, but in NL we have good facilities for ppl who cannot afford to study. My parents, for example, are not rich at all, yet I could go to university thanks to a scholarship from the govt.

Now, why I say there's no such thing as equal opportunity: You actually have to pay VWO, Gymnasium or Atheneum out of your OWN pockets if you wish to undo your lack of qualifications, because the small grant you might recieve for VWO doesn't cover the costs at all.

What does a demanding of equal jobs and equal payment have to do with humiliating men?

You sound as if it's 1970. First, if women really wanted "equal jobs" than half of all oil rig workers, long-haul truckers, auto repair, refuse workers, fishermen, hazmat workers, etc, etc, would be women. Fact is, women gravitate to jobs which don't involve dirty and dangerous work. Don't insult yourself by pointing out exceptions which only prove the point.

1/men are paid more for doing the dangerous work (men make up 93% of all job related deaths because of the kind of jobs men do - pay is higher for such work)

2 women take more time off from work because of illnesses and because of taking care of kids thus losing years of seniority.

Women take almost 50% more short term sick leave than men, finds research published ahead of print in Occupational and Environmental Medicine. But they don't take more long term sick leave, the findings show.

It should be obvious that I've stated the exact opposite, but than, you need an IQ above 70 to understand that. Amazing.

Aren't women who don't want to 'pay their fair share' the obvious ones who are obsessed with money! You seem to have it backwards (again).

Lol. Seems that my "crap" is nectar of the gods to the women in my social strata, a sort of elixir.

When you're in Chicago you can pay me at my 15th floor condo overlooking the beach.

C'mon now, you ladies know better by now than to believe that any woman could ever take advantage of me in any way, shape or form. Of course, to some women, that's the thrill of the chase.

and a surprising number show romantic interest. These are the women who are secure enough to accept a real man and not what passes for one.

it's really hard to disagree with what he just said.

Hm, in my time you'd pay a yearly contribution and so called book money.

I can't remember what it was back in the days, but the Gymnasium I went to was pretty lenient towards parents who could not afford the money by letting them pay in terms.

All this based on your CITO test of course.

550 points

I know, so maybe now you understand why I tell the older generation it was easier for them?

I had a full score on the CITO.

It's them right-wing parties whom you have to "thank" for this.

but so did I.

Hope you get your chance in due time, AJ.

Guys who think like that have obviously a problem and it's THAT way of thinking that needs to be changed, not the women's in that regard. Women could object to this way of thinking, but given the fact that for men who think like that the step to verbal and even worse abuse is easily made, this is not an option.

The problem is the MEN who think that way, not the woman who gets involved as she most of the times only finds out later that the man she loves thinks like that. By advising women not to get involved with these men a point is missed, or actually 2 points are missed.

I have nothing against a woman who wants to stay at home and nurture her kids and wants to be a slave to a man who thinks a woman's only right is the kitchen sink ...

you only have to look in the shelters for mistreaded women to know that the step I earlier mentioned is very real and that there is definitively sth terribly wrong with guys who think like that.

PS, surely you know that it's thanks to the feminists and suffragettes that women can actually go to college nowadays?

And surely you know that feminism has, in spite of what opponents have said, NOT lead to a destabilisation of the family as cornerpiece of society?

Right to vote, to work, be generally equal to men (which women truly are in my opinion) and so on...All thanks to feminism. Disregarding feminism would be like biting the hand that has fed you.

Note: I don't know where you live, but if it's in Poland, I can understand that feminists still have that radical element. Poland is a very, very conservative society and when changes need to be implemented in such a society it will be very radical, confrontational at first. Later on it will subside and take its place within that society, after the changes have been made.

Men already have all the (basic-) rights given to themselves, there is no need to fight for equal rights for them.

Edit: Erm.. Polish men. Girls? Right. First impressions.

;P

I can get a little carried away sometimes, sorry!

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