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Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂ 		 Jan 21, 12, 13:04    #301
Yes, except the forces of hedo-commercialist degeneracy are far more effective -- just look at how many on PF have swallowed it all hook, line and sinker!
teflcatThreads: 6
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Joined: May 29, 11 ♂ 		 Jan 21, 12, 13:11    #302
Polonius3:
hedo-commercialist degeneracy

What does this mean? Polonius, do you know what the word sanctimonious means? You are forever casting the first stone. Where's your Christian charity, forgiveness and understanding. Oh, sorry, I forgot. You're RC.
Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂ 		 Jan 21, 12, 14:43    #303
The manipualtion and exploitation of the public by unscrupulous commercial forces peddling their lucrative degenrate, hedo-anarchistic lifestyles is an evil which I am trying to understand. It is often difficult to comprehend why so many suckers let themselves be bamboozled by it all. I reckon it attests to the clever, crafty, subtle and often subliminal skills of highly paid propagandists (called advertisers, PR specialists, lobbyists, etc.).
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Polonius3:
The manipualtion and exploitation of the public by unscrupulous commercial forces peddling their lucrative degenrate, hedo-anarchistic lifestyles is an evil which I am trying to understand. It is often difficult to comprehend why so many suckers let themselves be bamboozled by it all. I reckon it attests to the clever, crafty, subtle and often subliminal skills of highly paid propagandists (called advertisers, PR specialists, lobbyists, etc.).


Is it just me that wonders why Polonius is abusing the RCC in this way?
JonnyMThreads: 16
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Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂ 		 Jan 21, 12, 15:04    #305
Polonius3:
clever, crafty, subtle and often subliminal skills of highly paid propagandists (called advertisers, PR specialists, lobbyists, etc).

Such skills aren't either subtle or clever.
Polonius3:
The manipualtion and exploitation of the public

You seem to have a negative view of the public - there are always people who will be taken in, hook line and sinker, by advertisers, religions etc but equally human nature has a very good bullsh1t detector.
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JonnyM:
but equally human nature has a very good bullsh1t detector.


Certainly explains why Ruch Palikota took 3rd place in the election.
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delphiandomine:
Just like the RCC, then?


haha! pwnage! :)

delphiandomine:
Certainly explains why Ruch Palikota took 3rd place in the election.


Doesn't stop those "Taste Of Polonia" types from supporting PiS though! lol :D


RoughFlavors:
listen, i'm not advocating against marriage. i'm very happily married and it's important to me that we are married rather than just living together. what i don't want is others telling me what to do.


Spot on.

Despite the fact that I'm one of those "immoral heathens" which Mr Polish Surnames despises so much, I'm even able to forgive my wife for cheating - which is actually quite a Xtian attitude in many ways! More proof that living by a set of man-made dogma doesn't necessarily make you a better person, and that it's possible to have morals even if you don't pray to a wooden cross, etc. That's one thing I do actually respect about Islam - at least they don't agree with praying to man-made images of gods! But if that's what you want to do, feel free, it's your choice. Just don't judge the rest of us who don't share your beliefs!
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Polonius3:
Yes, except the forces of hedo-commercialist degeneracy are far more effective -- just look at how many on PF have swallowed it all hook, line and sinker!


Christianity has two rules and two rules only, Love God and Love your neighbor as you would love yourself. That's it, that's all there is. You should spend more time reading Scripture and less time attending the Roman Catholic Church.

Sidliste_Chodov:
More proof that living by a set of man-made dogma doesn't necessarily make you a better person, and that it's possible to have morals even if you don't pray to a wooden cross, etc. That's one thing I do actually respect about Islam - at least they don't agree with praying to man-made images of gods!


No, they pray to a meteorite.
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Joined: Apr 19, 08  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Jan 24, 12, 07:42    #309
The US is the best proof of that you can't get rid of divorces by means of promoting marriages. The country has the highest rate of both marriages and divorces. The more people get married the more people find their wedlock not a happy one. Hence good and happy relationship are not equal to marriage.
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Sasha:
The US is the best proof of that you can't get rid of divorces by means of promoting marriages. The country has the highest rate of both marriages and divorces. The more people get married the more people find their wedlock not a happy one. Hence good and happy relationship are not equal to marriage.

On the contrary, the marriage rate in the Usa. has been going down almost every year. This is because people are waiting longer to get married mostly due to financial reasons. Your comparison does not make sense since it does not take into account the amount of broken relationships each person had prior to getting married and the multiple relationships of the people who didn't get married.
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Sidliste_Chodov:
Doesn't stop those "Taste Of Polonia" types from supporting PiS though! lol :D


"Taste of Polonia" - try Busia Sofia's golumpkies here!

...scowl.
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Joined: Dec 12, 11 ♀ 		 Feb 5, 12, 08:19    #312
If you read Polish news you probably know about little girl reported kidnapped and found dead (by the hand of her mother as it seems). The parents are married and religious. Somehow that didn't help them to be good parents.
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Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂ 		 Feb 5, 12, 08:32    #313
No-one is saying that ALL married couplses and ALL religious people are good. But statistics shows that the konkubinaty (shack-up relationships) on average produce more home instability, substance abuse, domestic violence, crime and other pathological situations than stable families comprising married parents and their children. Do you really believe that the pathologies widespread amongst Afro-Americans are totally unrelated to the fact that more than 80% come from households comprising unwed motehrs and a changing string of passing-through boyfriends?
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No Polonius, it's the other way round. Irresponsible people who drink, sleep around and do not know how to take charge of their life "shack up". It is not concubitate that produces pathology. It is instability and irresponsibility in the first place that produces concubinate (in those cases, because not all concubinates are unstable), and that same instability produces pathology.
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Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂ 		 Feb 5, 12, 09:45    #315
One can split hairs and argue whether the cart comes before or after the horse, but the fact remains that we all pay through the nose for unstable pathological households and the kids suffer the most.
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Agree, that's why it's important to identify reason, rather than cause. You can't fix somethibg if you don't know what is causing the damage.
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sa11y:
Somehow that didn't help them to be good parents.


I'm pretty sure it was an accident (though I never really believed the mother's story). I'm trying to be charitable and ascribe her behavior to grief-induced panic.
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Joined: Dec 12, 11 ♀ 		 Feb 5, 12, 10:20    #318
Well, I'm not so sure... The first thing anyone would do is to call emergency. To me shock does not explain not doing this. Let's see.
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Sidliste_Chodov:
That's one thing I do actually respect about Islam - at least they don't agree with praying to man-made images of gods!


I am not sure what your talking about here. You don't pray to a cross or to a statue, you pray to God.
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Meathead

What are you George Carlin now? There are many more rules in the Bible.


sa11y:
Agree, that's why it's important to identify reason, rather than cause. You can't fix somethibg if you don't know what is causing the damage.


The point is if modern marriage was taken as seriously as it was in the past it would be viewed as somthing to aspire to not to recover from which is I'm afraid is the concensus of this forum. If divorce was as stigmitised as it was in the past people would not jump into marriage without truly knowing the nature of thier spouce. Dating is supposed to be the warm up, practice for something more, greater.....the "freedom" to leave a relationship does not make it stronger. It cheapens the vow taken to ones spouce.

There have been necessary strides made throughout history which should be applauded. Freedom of religion, women's rights ( I am personelly on the fence about this one :) ), democracy. Civil divorce is not one of them. Don't blame the act of marriage for the short comings of the idiots who jumped into marriage without knowing what it stands for. Marriage is not for everyone and at the same time not all couples should have children. If you can't keep a vow to one person what makes you think you should be able to sacrifice for the many.

Accidents will happen of course and I pray for the children in this case to be loved and guided through life in a positive way.
Peter Cracow  Feb 11, 12, 10:44    #321
There are different levels of marriage in Poland:
- civil marriage - according to low by Polish Family Code
- church marriage with civil effects - some Churches has right to register it by low (i.e. Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Jewish, etc.)
- church marriage without civil effects - some Churches hasn't right to register it (i.e. Mormon, Hinduism, etc.)
- notary agreemend about common assets and mutual responsibility - different agreements are possible
- French type civil contract - this low is not applied and still in disscussion among politics
- atheistic marriage - kind of ceremonies arranged by non-religious people who don't want to involve clerks and priests to their live
- leading common housekeeping - administration formula for unmaried couples living together
- information, heritage and responsibility statements - on sort od official bank, hospital, etc. documents
- bicycle licence, cat's paw marriage, etc
As we see, there is a lot of kinds of marriage in Poland and we can choose the less "pathologic" for us.

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