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 Sep 20, 10, 18:42    #31
why not?
and that second part what is all about - having problems ?

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 Sep 20, 10, 19:11    #32
trener zolwia:
They don't even care about the toll on children of divorce... It's like they're trying to destroy society... :s


sometimes marriage has to dissolve, sometimes they cause more problems fighting
then if they were to stay together. and children do not need to see this.

its not healthy to watch two people physically throwing objects and trying to hurt
each other .. and if the importance of vows is supposed to overule there is going to be
alot of lonely depressed souls.
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Edited by: trener zolwia  Sep 20, 10, 19:37    #33
Patrycja19:
sometimes marriage has to dissolve, sometimes they cause more problems fighting
then if they were to stay together. and children do not need to see this.

Of course.
But my point was that some of the Lefties (see AJ's quotes) seem to actually celebrate -or at the very least they don't care about- the decline of marriage and the associated societal problems that have stemmed from it, including the cost to the children victims. That's downright sick.
A J XIX  Sep 20, 10, 19:51    #34
trener zolwia:
Often, as Seanus mentioned, the reason is boredom...


Whatever their reason is, it's their reason. No one else's.

trener zolwia:
See how Libs feel about the destruction of the family unit via wanton divorce.


When people decide to divorce this is not my decision, nor is it my decision to make.

trener zolwia:
Gotta love that Lib 'do whatever feels good, the cost to others and society be damned' attitude.


So this makes you the type of man who decides what his neighbours will or won't do with their lives.

trener zolwia:
This is what has largely contributed to society's resulting problems.


The baby-boom contributed to society's resulting problems. That's why there are too many old people and not enough young people. The huge differences in salary and the inequal distribution of wealth also contributed to society's resulthing problems, because there are plenty of young men who would actually want to marry, but simply can't afford to support a family of their own.

trener zolwia:
They don't even care about the toll on children of divorce... It's like they're trying to destroy society... :s


Do you care about all those young men who remain unemployed thanks to cheap labour and immigration policies? Do you care about all those young women who have a hard time trying to find a suitable partner? Do you care about social inequality?

trener zolwia:
And Libs aren't exactly known for their integrity and keeping their word, either, so it's little wonder they see marriage vows as temporary and marriage as disposable...


So. Thomas. Do you think I'm allowed to defend myself against this slandering or not?

:)
A J XIX  Sep 20, 10, 20:05    #35
trener zolwia:
Of course.


No, not of course, because she worded exactly what I was trying to tell you.

trener zolwia:
But my point was that some of the Lefties (see AJ's quotes)


I'm not a Leftie.

trener zolwia:
seem to actually celebrate -or at the very least they don't care about- the decline of marriage and the associated societal problems that have stemmed from it, including the cost to the children victims.


I've never said I celebrated anyone's divorce. I basically meant to say that you were overexaggarating.

trener zolwia:
That's downright sick.


Sure.
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Edited by: trener zolwia  Sep 20, 10, 20:19    #36
A J XIX:
Whatever their reason is, it's their reason.

Mere boredom is hardly a good reason to put children through divorce.

A J XIX:
When people decide to divorce this is not my decision

I didn't say you caused divorce. But certainly attitudes like those you hold contribute to the problem. You called divorce a "good thing" for crissake...
A J XIX:
So this makes you the type of man who decides what his neighbours will or won't do with their lives.

When someone's actions negatively impact others it becomes society's problem to address. See crime fighting, for one example.
I just feel that, particularly when children are involved, that there should be a higher hurtle for divorce. It shouldn't be taken so lightly. And again, boredom is hardly a good reason to put kids through that.
A J XIX:
The baby-boom contributed

Blahblah...
A J XIX:
Do you care about all those young men who remain unemployed thanks to cheap labour and immigration policies?

Sure I do. I hate the dirty imms coming here stealing jobs.
A J XIX:
Do you care about all those young women who have a hard time trying to find a suitable partner?

Sure again. Many (most?) men are jerks. I can't imagine being a chick and having to sort through them all trying to find the rare gem... a mate that will take their wedding vows seriously, among other things, and not leave them when they get bored.
A J XIX:
Do you care about social inequality?

Meh. That's become little more than a Lib whining point than carrying any actual meaning these days.
Anyway, what has this to do with divorce-on-demand?
A J XIX:
Do you think I'm allowed to defend myself

You can do what you want. (well, after you come back fr4om suspension) There was no slander in my post. I stand by my words.

A J XIX:
I've never said I celebrated anyone's divorce.

You called divorce a "good thing", several times. Clearly you were celebrating one's decision to divorce.
A J XIX:
I'm not a Leftie.

Yes you are.
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Edited by: pgtx  Sep 20, 10, 20:22    #37
trener zolwia:
divorce "good" for crissake...

a divorce may be a good solution for well being of the children...

trener zolwia:
A J XIX:
I'm not a Leftie.

Yes you are.

calm down with calling everybody that, tz...
A J XXI  Sep 20, 10, 21:08    #38
trener zolwia:
Mere boredom is hardly a good reason to put children through divorce.


I wasn't only talking about boredom there, but whatever their reason, it's their decision. Just like it was their decision to marry.

trener zolwia:
I didn't say you caused divorce. But certainly attitudes like those you hold contribute to the problem.


How? I simply don't promise someone all eternity, because I can't look into the future.

trener zolwia:
You called divorce a "good thing" for crissake...


No, I didn't. I called their freedom of choice a good thing. Both husbands and wives can turn out to be abusive, and in such cases, divorce can be a good thing. Growing up in a cold, violent or abusive athmosphere can be much worse for a child than a divorce.

trener zolwia:
When someone's actions negatively impact others it becomes society's problem to address.


Your actions negatively impact me. You're slandering me, twisting my words and calling me something that I'm not. You're trying to set up people against me, simply because I have a liberal stance on life. I wonder what society will do about that.

trener zolwia:
See crime fighting, for one example.


Divorce is not a crime.

trener zolwia:
I just feel that, particularly when children are involved, that there should be a higher hurtle for divorce.


Consider this; boredom can lead to irritation, and irritation to aggression.

trener zolwia:
It shouldn't be taken so lightly. And again, boredom is hardly a good reason to put kids through that.


It's better to divorce than to raise your children in a climate of constant tension. Children will feel that.

trener zolwia:
Blahblah...


The baby-boom contributed to society's resulting problems. That's why there are too many old people and not enough young people. The huge differences in salary and the inequal distribution of wealth also contributed to society's resulthing problems, because there are plenty of young men who would actually want to marry, but simply can't afford to support a family of their own.

trener zolwia:
Sure I do.


Look at the above ''bla bla'' again. Like it or not, but that's the main excuse the governments use to justify the need for mass immigration, instead of trying to rehabilitate and facilitate chances for their own youths.

trener zolwia:
I hate the dirty imms coming here stealing jobs.


I won't call them dirty, because to me they're just people, but I don't think we need more immigrants than we already have, no.

trener zolwia:
Sure again.


Look at the ''bla bla'' again. Social and financial inequality? Like it or not, but because of underpayment and loose contracts, many young men are deemed unsuitable as partners for young women. They simply can't offer them the security and stability.

trener zolwia:
Many (most?) men are jerks.


I don't think so.

trener zolwia:
I can't imagine being a chick and having to sort through them all trying to find the rare gem...


I think you'll find that almost everyone's a rare gem in his or her own way if you take some time to figure them out.

trener zolwia:
a mate that will take their wedding vows seriously, among other things, and not leave them when they get bored.


I'll stay for as long as she wants me to stay, but I'm not going to promise them all eternity just like that. (Maybe after ten years.)

trener zolwia:
Meh. That's become little more than a Lib whining point than carrying any actual meaning these days. Anyway, what has this to do with divorce-on-demand?


Not only with divorce, but also with becoming an option to a young woman. When you have too much social inequality, which basically means the minority of men have a lot, and the majority of men doesn't have too much or even enough. Women are sensitive to that. So if there's not much security with a guy, not stability, and not much satisfaction, more relationships or marriages will fail, and more young men and women will stay single. Which means even more older people than younger people in the future.

trener zolwia:
You can do what you want. (well, after you come back fr4om suspension) There was no slander in my post. I stand by my words.


I don't celebrate divorce, and I don't wish bad luck on people. I don't wish misery on anyone, or their children. The fact you're writing such things about me, makes it libel, since none of what you wrote there was the truth. (I stand by my words aswell.)

trener zolwia:
You called divorce a "good thing", several times. Clearly you were celebrating one's decision to divorce.


No, I wasn't. I was talking about their freedom of choice, which is a good thing indeed, because I think that everyone should have something to say about his or her own body, life and expectations.

trener zolwia:
Yes you are.


No, I'm not. I'm not political active anymore. I don't even vote anymore.
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Edited by: trener zolwia  Sep 20, 10, 21:20    #39
A J XXI:
Your actions negatively impact me. You're slandering me, twisting my words and calling me something that I'm not. You're trying to set up people against me

Oh, weepweepweep... I did no such thing, Mr. Sensitive.

A J XXI:
I have a liberal stance on life.

Ah-HA! So much for that slander charge. ;)

A J XXI:
I don't even vote anymore.

Good.


And you did call divorce a "good thing".
Oh, and abortion is why there are fewer babies these days.
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 Sep 20, 10, 22:30    #40
trener zolwia:
Oh, weepweepweep... I did no such thing, Mr. Sensitive.


Yes you did, because you were putting words in my mouth. (Words I didn't use.)

trener zolwia:
And you did call divorce a "good thing".


There was a comma in that sentence, which implied something else, but I suppose I could've worded it a bit better.

trener zolwia:
Oh, and abortion is why there are fewer babies these days.


That's not the only reason. Families are also smaller, simply because everything has become more expensive for a lot of younger people. Young people stay at home with their parents longer, stay single longer, and basically, a lot of young people these days really don't have that party-existence you seem to think they have. The youths you see in our Media (Yes, we have MTV aswell, and the American version too!) are not the average youths of today. So whatever you do, don't let it fool you too much. From my own perspective, and from my own experience, not many girls want to try anything with a guy who has to survive on loose-contracts and temporary jobs. Not many girls think it's sexy that guys are living at home or with friends. Which isn't always our fault.
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 Sep 21, 10, 00:00    #41
MareGaea:
M-G (knows from his own experience)


Really? What did you wife do to you when she found out about your other lady?
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 Sep 21, 10, 01:57    #42
A J:
That's not the only reason. Families are also smaller, simply because everything has become more expensive for a lot of younger people. Young people stay at home with their parents longer, stay single longer

Yes, for these reasons too. And there aren't as many farms which require big families to tend.
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 Sep 21, 10, 02:16    #43
A J:
Families are also smaller, simply because everything has become more expensive

The cost of childcare can be so high that having three young kids can take all of one partners salary in childminding costs. No wonder some people stop at one.
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 Sep 21, 10, 06:27    #44
A J XIX:
the inequal distribution of wealth also contributed to society's resulthing problems, because there are plenty of young men who would actually want to marry, but simply can't afford to support a family of their own


Well I have to agree here..that is a huge part.. but you forgot about those who are
homosexual as well..

alot of marriages dissolve because the wife or husband decides they are no longer
heterosexual and found another lover.. but this happens in heterosexual marriage to
sometimes people do it cause family pressure, could be many reasons.

its not always the right thing to do. sometimes men marry their GF -after they get
pregnant and is that always the right thing to do , not fully knowin if they are sure
about wanting to spend the rest of their lives but they have a child so its the right thing
to do, but is it really?

lots of reasons.. never a good one.. because no one wants to see a family break apart.

sometimes is just necessary.
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Edited by: Amathyst  Sep 21, 10, 07:54    #45
trener zolwia:
Oh, and abortion is why there are fewer babies these days.


That and the fact people fail to find a suitable partner, so rather than just procreat with any old person and "settle" for second best, they decide rather to do without..plus also for selfish reasons people decide not to have, also infertility is on the rise due to poor diet and obeciety...So there are many reasons.

As for the baby boomers..We were at war and lost millions around europe so it was simply replacing a generaton that had been lost...had they not procreated at the rate they did who would have been around to farm the land and work in the factories?

A J XXI:
many young men are deemed unsuitable as partners for young women. They simply can't offer them the security and stability.


This is because many women are greedy, I had a lengthy conversation with a Czech guy on Saturday and he was saying that Czech women are simply not interested in Czech men because they see them as poor and unable to provide them with the "nice" things...I found very saddening...Its all about expectations, whilst no woman wants to live a life of poverty, I dont see not being able to get my nails done every week as a hardship, but you'd be surpried how many women do..

Patrycja19:
but you forgot about those who are
homosexual as well..


We've had gay men and women all over the world for centuries, admittedly in years gone by they would have married had children and lived a lie, so now we live in a society which doesnt demonize them which enables then to be who they are..which for me is a good thing, but in the grand scheme of things, they are a tiny percentage of the worlds population so hardly have any affect at all.

As for divorce as pgtx said, sometimest its not a bad thing, but as T Z said its an easy option for those who have seen something they feel is better which is not a good thing.

A J XXI:
Consider this; boredom can lead to irritation, and irritation to aggression.


Consider this, people might actually consider talking to each other and trying to understand each others needs, taking time out to talk rather than putting the television on as soon as they walk in the house...lack of communication leads to a break down in a relationship, people drift apart because they fail to make an effort, we live in a society these days where children spend hours up on hours on the internet on social networking sites rather than engaging in conversation with their friends in person...What kind of relationships are they going to find in the future?
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 Sep 21, 10, 09:49    #46
A typical lefty is Harriet Harman.

She is all for easy divorces for other people, but has had a long and seemingly happy marriage.

She is all for state education, but educates her own children privately.

My brother, a Labour Party activist, says it's wrong for married couples to be given tax breaks - "people don't stay together because they're given a few hundred quid". Seeing as he was my brother and I like our relationship I didn't push the point, but it's all about pushing the agenda that children should be born in wedlock (not morality, just common sense!) and married people should be given extra cash for the demands that children entail.

Point of information: most babies in Newcastle (not the only place) are illegitimate.
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 Sep 21, 10, 11:49    #47
Varsovian:
She is all for easy divorces for other people, but has had a long and seemingly happy marriage.

You find something wrong with that?
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 Sep 21, 10, 12:55    #48
Socialists are for lowering standards for other people so their kids face less competition.
That's where they agree with right-wingers.

If in doubt, look at the UK education system. Purpose-built to deny working-class kids education opportunities (they used to offer them limited opportunities, but that was divisive!).
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 Sep 22, 10, 04:59    #49
Amathyst:
Czech women are simply not interested in Czech men because they see them as poor and unable to provide them with the "nice" things...I found very saddening...Its all about expectations, whilst no woman wants to live a life of poverty, I dont see not being able to get my nails done every week as a hardship, but you'd be surpried how many women do..

This is sad. It's like this everywhere to a degree, but I can imagine that in places like Eastern Europe it's worse once they're exposed to the excesses of the West via TV and movies. The grass is always greener...
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 Sep 22, 10, 06:28    #50
I doubt about czech women.They liked czech men but think some of them don't like czech women.Anyway now mentality in CR is very close to Germany.
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 Sep 22, 10, 07:20    #51
trener zolwia:
That's why some of us have never taken the plunge. We take our word more seriously so when we say "I do" we'll mean it.


Expert on marriage

pgtx:
calm down with calling everybody that, tz..


anybody who doesn't think the same is a "leftie"
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 Sep 22, 10, 17:01    #52
Chicago Pollock:
Expert on marriage

Here's a clue: One need not actually be married in order to see the costs liberal attitudes towards divorce are having on children and society.


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