Czy Kopernik może przysporzyć chociaż łut chwały panu Ziębickiemu z Radomia?

AdamKadmon

Apr 15, 10, 17:05 #1

A contribution to the discussion on Copernicus.

Jak pisał Gombrowicz: "nie jesteśmy bezpośrednimi spadkobiercami ani wielkości przeszłej ani małości - ani rozumu, ani głupoty - ani cnoty, ani grzechu - i każdy za siebie tylko jest odpowiedzialny, każdy jest sobą."

i dalej: "...jeśli naród prawdziwie dojrzały powinien z umiarem sądzić własne zasługi, to naród prawdziwie żywotny musi nauczyć się je lekceważyć... nic własnego nie może człowiekowi imponować; jeżeli więc imponuje nam wielkość nasza lub nasza przeszłość, to dowód, że one w krew nam jeszcze nie weszły"

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 15, 10, 17:08 #2

Google translation:

As Gombrowicz wrote: "We are not direct heirs or the size nor the smallness of the past - neither reason nor stupid - neither virtue nor sin - and each for himself alone is responsible, everyone is together."

and further: "... if a mature nation truly believe should be with moderation own merits, it is a truly viable nation must learn to disregard it's own ... not a man to impress, so if we impress our size or our past, there is no evidence that we are in the blood are not yet "

:)

Google translation tools rulez! No more polish speak behind my back...;)

AdamKadmon	Apr 15, 10, 17:17 #3
Bratwurst Boy Compering it to the original it's neither true to the form, nor to the content. Just a remote approximation to the sense.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Apr 15, 10, 17:19 #4
AdamKadmon: Compering it to the original it's neither true to the form, nor to the content. Just a remote approximation to the sense.

AdamKadmon

Apr 15, 10, 17:28 #5

As Gombrowicz wrote: We are not, I said, the direct heirs of past greatness or insignificance, intelligence or stupidity, virtue or sin and each person is responsible only for himself. Each is himself.

and further: if a nation truly mature should judge its own merits with temperance, then a nation truly vital must learn to disregard them. It must be absolutely condescending in relation to everything that is not its immediate concern and its current becoming…
nothing that is really your own can impress you. If, therefore, our greatness or our past impress us, it is proof that it has not yet entered our bloodstream.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Apr 15, 10, 17:30 #6
Tell that the Poles, they are preparing to refight a battle from 600 years back (Grünwald) ;)

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Apr 15, 10, 17:36 #7
Bratwurst Boy: Tell that the Poles, they are preparing to refight a battle from 600 years back (Grünwald) ;) It's not like Germans are role models and are ready to surrender Copernikus ;)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Apr 15, 10, 17:48 #8
Bzibzioh: It's not like Germans are role models and are ready to surrender Copernikus ;) Ouch! :)