Russian's blame Nazis for "Katyn",are we going backwards?

Nazis responsible for Katyn massacre, says Russian daily
http://www.polskieradio.pl/thenews/foreign-affairs/?id=75133

But may be he is right? Just imagine what would be with polish world view if it would be rightful supposition?

No he is not right. This was a fact and many are still alive that recall what took place. My grandfather was to be put to death but escaped. Documents have surfaced that confirm what took place. By changing the stance on what took place is insulting and victimizing the Polish people all over.

They might be mistaken, because they are humans. Suppose those was Russian speaking Germans. I know Russians they couldn't commit such atrocious deed.

What about Siberia, or the Soviets Stalin killed.

It's a nice country



When? I supposed that we had rached a consensus, that Stalin was a Hero, am I right?

this film is out on dvd 21st february....just ordered a copy from Merlin.pl ...with english subtitles 66zl including post and packing to england.

i say we attack russia too.. they ain't playing by our rules. let's roll. :D

Sure, they blame the Nazis for everything. Yet they are just the opposite side of the same coin.

There are many propagandists who will publish articles and write books on this subject. It is clear that the Russian government was responsible for this massacre, and they have proof of it stored in their own classified archives. But it would be a big embarrassment to the Russians if more detailed information was revealed about this subject.



The movie Katyn shows how a skilled NKVD murder executes prisoners of war. The executioners hand is not even trembling because of all that experience in murdering people.

You live in a Lah-Lah Land my friend. Wake up and smell the coffee will you?


Is this what they teach you in Russia now? One of the biggest mass murderers known to mankind is your "hero"?

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TE FRESH AIR HERE BUT THE GULAGS.
HE'S NOT RIGHT.. STALIN WAS A MURDERER AND HE ORDERED THESE EXECUTIONS.

I believe that European DVDs are different then ours here. I may be wrong, but i believe it's a different system, similarly to how it used to be with the VHS tapes.

god dang - i say that if your country dont speak english then you aint one of us... lets get'em lads... geronimo...!!!

You do not understand ConstantineK's humour.Actually the polish officers in Katyn commited mass suicide,is this not right ConstantineK?

I don't see any of this as funny.

Constantine,
You are a despicable human being, and do not even show you're dirty face in this thread ever again and deny that the Russians are to blame. Its because of people like you that Poland has yet to receive a formal apology and compensation for the dead, not that they can ever be compensated.



Do not even say things like this, because all the poor souls, including a great uncle of mine that was executed at Starobelsk, are turning over in their graves. Many men escaped from death, and have told numerous stories with incriminating evidence that this was indeed the NKVD Soviets.

And the your final sentence is laughable.
"I know Russians, they couldn't commit such atrocious deed."
Does this even warrant a response on anyones behalf? For all I know, you are 20 years old, and you were taught entirely different material at school. For that reason, I can forgive you for you are naiive.
For some reference perhaps, look up the Ukrainian famine, and what Stalin did to those poor people. They aren't capable of atrocious deeds, right?

This is humorous.He ma\eans that you place too much emphasis on Katyn,so any change about history of this will change the Poles' attitude as a whole.



This means,let's forgive them,let's say they were Germans.What would be the difference?Admit the Russians did not do it and bury the subject.



He makes humorous comment.After all Siberia was not bad.Let's say Poles made an excursion.This fate waits everyone opposing soviet rule.



This is ironic.He tells you you accused Russians of liking Stalin,of thinking him as a hero.How come you now to say they also suffered by him?

You do not catch ContsantineK's subtle sense of humour.

People of Kazahstan and Siberia were dying as well. Yushchenko is just trying to blame everyone just to get people's attention off his gas deals.

What gas deals has he made?Do you mean he got bribed?Or that the price for gas has risen for Ukraine?

I am not quite sure what is going on, but I heard some people saying that the real Golodomor started after he became the President. Oh, and gas prices as well.

Golodomor?

Thats what they call the great famine isnt it?

Yes,it makes sense.Golodin=hungry.

The Russians need to 'step up to the plate' and admit & apologize to the Poles for there brutal butchery of the Polish officers at Katyn...here are two articles about Katyn that throw some light on the events:

http://www.natvan.com/free-speech/fs985b.html

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/history/marshall/military/wwii/spe cial.studies/katyn.massacre/katynlrc.txt

me neither.

You see, when i told you that Russians are idiots sometimes, you criticized me. Now, i want that you apologize to me


i`m not convinced


I suggest to my Polish and Russian brothers and sisters that you start to talk seriously. It is in your best interests. And, in Serbian interest of course. In interest of all Slavs before we all extinct. Thank you in advance for your responsibility for historic momentum

It would help that you organize some public discussions (something like direct public satellite link between Poland and Russia) so, that historic experts and ordinary people can participate in discussions (and that other Slavs can see you). If you both are democratic and independent states you would do that. If you both are just little players then you won`t organize such a discussion.


no its not funny, you are right. We speak about 20.000 Polish lives which were lost for Poland and for Slavdom, for their families. 20.000 eyes without future. We speak about enormous tragedy and i can hardly found words to describe my feelings

my condolences to Poles, my deepest condolences

what? aren't you the one that just loves that serbia "works" closely with moscow?


there is really nothing to discuss.. PL is waiting for an appology from the russians and that is all.

you aren`t serious

Serbian position on Russians and Poles can only serve to interests (to relax situation, to push you in good dirrection) of Poland and Russia. Last what any of you need is blind support or false love. Last what you need is more hate! You both need brotherly love and brotherly criticism. Serbs would give you that

Don`t expect that Serbs chose between Poland and Russia. We chooses already. We chooses Slavia!

Shame you! Shame both of you- Russians and Poles!

Don`t worry. Serbian extinction is on the way. Then, we would shut up and you both won`t need to feel shame in front of us, because of your treachery!

crow, eff the russians.. we don't need their kind of love.. look at the title of this thread.. they committed the crimes but now want to blame everybody but themselves. i hope we'll hear the appologies but i doubt it iwll ever happen..

Nevertheless you vouchsafed me your answer! This fact is telling me that I am not so wretched man....Thank you!



Sure!!! IMHO it will be right if all Russian would begin all their conversation and speaches with official apologies toward Poles! It will be perfect inverted copy of roman Cato, he always had finished his speaches as "...but, I suppose that Carthago must be destroied", but in Russian case it will be sounded as "We present our apologies to Poles, but...."

Correct me if I ain't right, Mr.Yeltsin already acknowledged the guilt, something more?