Russian's blame Nazis for "Katyn",are we going backwards?

The Poles have a bad attitude when dealing with cases like this one. What should we do? I suppose say that "too late baby, Gorbachev and Yeltsin already admitted and apologized" with a wide smile on their faces. Too many of us yell because of such lousy provocations pumped up by GW, those who care the least about interest of Poland.

The truth in history.



You would have to show me where as I can't recall, if indeed I did I am sorry.

It unlikely that Russians will feel much emotion about Katyn as they feel liitle for their own people who died in the purges and pogroms they experienced in the last century. Russians like 'Strong Man' leadership, even if they have to pay for it with their own blood.

I was listening to an interesting Podcast from 'The Economist' the other day from a British expert on Russia. The subject was Russia's foreign policy approach to the EU. Russia basically sees the minor countries of Europe as inconsequential and without value, if they can ignore them they will. They only feel the need to deal with the larger more established western nations. This attitude towards the 'smaller' nations is compounded if the country in question is a former Soviet satellite state, for these countries Russia feels the added emotion of betrayal. Heartfelt apologies to Poland are not on the agenda

Do you know anybody from Russia personally?

I have met Russians yes. However that is irrelevant as we are talking about a nation not an individual. Dont you agree that Russians value authoritarian leadership?

I have a suggestion. Let's start a new tread, where we could appologise each other? Oh no, stop....one big tread "Mr. Constantine K. (as a Russian origin) appologising" and small one "Another Appologizings"

Lets do it in chronological order though. Are there any Greek members of this forum? They should probably start the apologising for the sins of their ancestors.

It is not a question of what I am thinking. It is a question of the conclusion which follows your statement that russians value "authoritarian leadership"....

1. Russians are not equal to other "white" european nations.
2. Russians are almost savages, devoide of any faint trace of culture
3. ...................................................................... ..............

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Because I say Russians value authoritarian leadership you think I mean:
1. Russians are not equal to other "white" european nations.
2. Russians are almost savages, devoide of any faint trace of culture

Is that what to you think I meant?

Well, in european civilization had been placed one significant principle - Civilisation = obedience for laws. In the same time you state that Russians like strong lidership , though you mean that the laws are valued by russians less, though logically you state that Russians are barbarians, or as the many Poles preffer to say - Mongolians or Byzantinians....am I right?

We should stroke Russian heads, hug them, tell them they are good, and they will be normal ;-)


not true

You thin that we will believe in your sincerity?

Constantine come to Poland and you will see that you live in not real world.

The rights are valued by Russians less,that's all.It is different culture but quite fascinating.The Russians do not like the usual european lifestyle,the middle class thing,it seems to them rather boring and devoid of quality.

C'mon you can gat alot of such argumentations on this forum, i am reading these with some sort of masochistical pleasure

on this forum we are at war against Russia, Germany and Israel ;) German tanks are near border and Russians prepare their nukes against Poland ;) Come to Poland you will see reality

Oh! Southern! But why you ain't apologising for all Greeks, as Kilkline indicated? Come on we are waiting!!! Alexander III was a really atrocious human being....I am not saying about Diadohian period

Alexander did what was needed to do.I only apologize for the destruction of Thiva after the war against Athens-Thiva-Korinthos alliance.The destruction of Tyros(now in Lebanon) was justified(they resisted for over 9 months) as was the work in Vaktriani(now Afghanistan) cause the guys there were fanatic(like now).



I need to apologize about the destruction of Rhodes by Demetrius and the betrayal of Hannibal by Antioxos to Romans.Also for the killing of Alexander's son by Parmenion.

he he he funny situation

Really I am just trying to remember who was killed or extirpated by Greeks, but can't....
May be they were too self-concerned and had preffered to kill themselves in numerous civil wars?

I have also to apologize for the destruction of Persepolis by Alexander which was the holy city of the Persian empire,full of temples and monuments.He burned it to the ground to take revenge for the invasion of Perses to Greece under Kserksis.
The Greeks did not destroy any foreign cities after Troya till Macedonians came to power.Macedonians,Thessalians,Ipirotes were more primitive and destroyed some cities all over.
The tribes which lost the wars against Greeks became slaves in greek cities.
Of course the Diadohes,Kassandros,Ptolemaios,Selevkos,Lysimmaxos killed a lot of people and this tradition was continued by Mithridatis,Antigonos,Pyrros,Antioxos even Kleopatra.They were influenced a bit by asian mentality.

Here is where your link is weak and your argument falls apart. Germans in Nazi Germany valued strong leadership but that doesnt mean they didnt value laws.

What do you speak of, then?

If we are refering to the subject "Katyn", yes they were barbarians! What took place is a war crime. Russia knows all to well who did this and are insulting the Polish in retaliation to the anti missile shield. Time the Russia goverment gets off their high horse and stops instigating by reminding us about the lie's surrounding "Katyn". Believe me this is not like Ukraine and NATO, it's just reminding Poland of the need in the first place.

Greece invaded Persia, and them Persians are still mightily p1ssed off!

Enough is enough, when will the worlds reaction show Putin he is behaving in a manner that is back firing in his face?

In denial

"Vladimir Putin has already come dangerously close to this in Russia. He has claimed that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was legal. He sees no need to apologise to Baltic victims of Stalinism."

"This comes not in response to some Polish provocation, but at a time when the government in Warsaw has been bending over backwards to soothe relations with Moscow.

The Russian media—in theory at least—can print what it likes. But it is hard not to conclude that this outbreak of revisionist history comes with at least tacit official blessing.

The best way to dispel this would be for the Kremlin and the Russian foreign ministry to come out with a clear and forceful statement saying that from the official side at least, no doubt whatsoever exists that the Soviet secret police, acting on Stalin’s orders, carried out the Katyn massacre. Failure to do that suggests at best atrocious cynicism and at worst a nauseating sympathy with the perpetrators."

http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=106399 83

Persia was the instigator in this conflict, and the Greeks were only doing what they could to secure their own boarders.

Tell that to the Ayatollahs!

The Persians were barbaric monsters on Greece's doorstop, always threatening. The Greeks did what they could, for the civilized world.

The Persians lost because they had very light armour contrary to Greeks.