Russian's blame Nazis for "Katyn",are we going backwards?

Yes, Persian light cavalry and infantry was no match for superior hoplite phalanx of Greeks. Heavily armored, they could tear through any formation of enemies.

The greek phalanx was equal in power to the roman legeon as Pyros victories against Romans proved.The macedonian phalanx was superior to legeon on flat ground and the Romans always felt terror against it.
Persians had no chance against the macedonian phalanx.

Nope,the persians lost because as soon as they saw the greek army in Rah Rah skirts and slippers with pom poms on they pee'd themselves laughing and had to go for a sit down :)

What happened to:Russian's blame Nazis for "Katyn",are we going backwards?

Disturbing video, but very effective, Celinski.

Goebbels made it my friend.

Yes, I knew that. German propaganda video made during the recovery of the corpses. Effective. My Great uncle was one of those lost..

This one is better.



I'm sorry, I had two uncles there, I know how it hurts.

Have you heard that Russia is countering Wajda's Katyn, with a Katyn of their own? How ridiculous. And I predict that it will show a totally "different" side.



My family like to believe (I didn't meet him of course), that he was killed whilst trying to escape. He was never a man to just sit and ready himself for death. So do I. My grandpa managed to escape before being sent to the officer camps. He escaped on his loyal horse, he was a Captain in the cavalry, during a roundup.



Did they escape?

No they are listed on the memorial list. My Grandfather, Czeslaw escaped, was sent to Siberia, then Anders Army and in 1951 he had to exile to USA because he was considered "enimie of communist Poland".

Russia has alot of people in the USA in an uproar. I think Russia forgets how many Polish are watching them from other countries. Although we are not living in Poland, Poland is our blood and you mess with Poland you mess with USA. Strong ties are established and Poland/USA have a respect for each other.



Now that the documents are out that prove guilt they are just making matters worse for themselves. Denial now by Russia is putting them in a very bad light a movie will backfire in there face.

I'm sorry for that. May they RIP with God.

Tusk should raise issue of Katyn in Moscow, says Geremek



http://www.polskieradio.pl/thenews/foreign-affairs/?id=75418

Putin agreed that Russians have to solve some hisotry issues.
in result there will be special commision Polish-Russian to make this story clear.

Excellant.

finally.. hopefully for Russia and Poland things will be solved. but I doubt it will take
a long time to trust them, maybe as long as it took for them to admit it..

Geremek is a post-communist troll, pumped up by media outlets to be some kind of authority.



Why on earth politicians talk about history and want to resolve historical disagreements? They should leave history to historians, retrain from political pressure. This commission is in fact a stupid idea. Media outlets will follow how they work in this silly commission and such bodies are highly ineffective. So media will yell about lack of progress, lack of willingness from some side and create controversies that they love so much. If they would not talk about history, all these problems could be avoided.

This was not a disagreement until Putin started bringing back denial. This is just how Putin decided to start trouble. For the Polish to have 20,000 +++ military killed in this manner I see as very significant.

History is a subject for historians or politicians?

I feel it is for everyone. When we limit history to a select few we find corruption. They say our history is often what effects our future. Or that history repeats itself, I say we should learn from our past.

So you are wrong. Politicians are professional liars and their credibility stands below zero. Beside of that nobody limiting the number of historians.

I understand this and isn't it better to let them show this side seeing as they hold the keys to the documents in the archive files. Contradictions can tell tales. If I was a Russian citizen I would ask my goverment about the evidence?

And they would say"I hear Novisibersk is lovely at this time of year."

move in good dirrection


but, are those Poles from the other countries only with hate look on Russia?

I understand my Polish brothers and sisters because Serbian history is tragic, too. But, i don`t wish you nor hate, nor that you forget. I suggest that you openly talk to Russians in any occasion. They at least didn`t invented ideology for eradication of Poles as Germans did it. I see Katyn as Russian tragic mistake and unfortunately they made few such a mistakes in their also tragic history. Are we Slavs doomed to live with mistakes? I think not! Slavia must live

Poles, for everything where you are right you would found support inside of Slavic world.

it is so tragic to me, this situation between Poles and Russians. Your mutual cooperation is essential for survivor of Serbian nation. God save us all

Crow wrote:

but, are those Poles from the other countries only with hate look on Russia?

The whole question with Russia is this: Who does Putin work for?...Is he a real RUSSIAN
nationalist, or only a tool for other interests?...hopefully, it is the first, but many things go on behind the scenes.

Evidence you can find even in the internet. This is some bad joke that our delegates in this commission will discuss and try to convince Russians about something that is absolutely obvious in Poland and outside of Poland including Russia. Did you ever heard the Jews debating whether Holocaust happened or not? Iranian president would probably like such idea but this will never happen.

i don`t know is he true Russian nationalist. But, i believe that at least currently, judging by some of his moves, he obey (or he must obey) to Pan-Slavic circles in Russia and even outside of Russia (Serbian influence definitely, maybe even Polish-Ukrainian). If so, then he serve to deep Russian interests as well. Who knows, maybe even Russia her-self founded strength to evolve in something valuable for complete Slavic world. hope so.

Somehow, Kosovo is key test for Russia. It`s not only about support to Serbs which are right obviously but important thing is also how would Russia respond on situation. Hopefully as civilized and democratic (or at least tend to be) country which defend international institutions and order.

Crow wrote:

Somehow, Kosovo is key test for Russia.

For sure, because if the Russians cave in to pressure from the EU/US, they will look like
liars, after all the 'official' pronouncements they have made in support of Serbia on this matter.

Look at the question in the post, they are liars.

Putin a panslavist?Good qualification.

Poland has got a document from Borys Jelcyn which is a prove for Russian's blame. No reason to talk about it over and over again.