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Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland?

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	celinski
	Dec 14, 07, 15:02 #1 Will wonders ever cease? Carol Relations between Berlin and Warsaw are strained, and given the reaction to this exhibition from the Polish government, it is likely to deepen the mistrust between the neighbouring countries. Even before it opened its doors, the exhibition "Forced Paths" attracted a lot of controversy in the German and Polish media. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4788167.stm	Member Posts: 1766 Joined: Nov 14, 07

	Lukasz
	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 14, 07, 15:13 #2 they should be happy we havent used German technologies like making soap form human body ...	Member Posts: 2238 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	Grzegorz_
	Dec 14, 07, 15:23 #3 One could wonder If their "Forced Paths" shouldn't have led to the ovens...	Member Posts: 4907 Joined: Nov 16, 06

	southern
	Dec 14, 07, 15:42 #4 Dirty Pollaks.Again no soap for this country.	Member Posts: 2474 Joined: May 17, 07

	Lukasz
	Dec 14, 07, 15:42 #5 "It's probably not well-known outside Germany that at the end of World War ll, around 12 million Germans had to leave their homes in the former eastern German provinces and elsewhere," said Wilfried Rogasch, the curator of the exhibition. German way of thinking ... but they've forgoten how they becomed owners of this homes ... (once again ;) ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturkampf After the Falk Laws (May Laws) had been passed, the Prussian authorities started to close down most of schools teaching the Polish language. Instead, the German language schools were promoted. In November 1872 minister Falk ordered all classes of religion to be held in German by the spring of the following year. The wave of protests on the side of Polish Catholics and the clergy was pacified the following year, when the Catholic Seminaries of Posen and Gniezno were closed down, and the state took up the supervision of education, previously carried out mostly in church-sponsored schools. The estate of the Church was confiscated, monastic orders dissolved, and the paragraphs of the Prussian constitution assuring the freedom of the Catholics were removed. In Greater Poland the Kulturkampf took on a much more nationalistic character than in other parts of Germany. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanisation this one is good ... ;) In 1910 Maria Konopnicka responded to the increasing persecution of Polish people by Germans by writing her famous song called Rota, that instantly became a national symbol for Poles, with its sentence known to many Poles:The German will not spit in our face, nor will he Germanise our children. Thus, the German efforts to eradicate Polish culture, language and people met not only with failure, but managed to reinforce the Polish national identity and strengthened efforts of Poles to re-establish a Polish state. An international meeting of socialists held in Brussels in 1902 condemned the Germanisation of Poles in Prussia, calling it "barbarous". and I m not going to talk what happened durring WWII ... Germans victims pffffffff	Member Posts: 2238 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	southern
	Edited by: southern Dec 14, 07, 15:43 #6 The victims had to burn the Jews themselves.How to endure such a smell? They should have gotten help in their work. And the scalps of Poles made such a noise when they crashed!Terrible.	Member Posts: 2474 Joined: May 17, 07

	slick77
	Dec 14, 07, 15:55 #7 Quoting: celinski Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? No. We all know this "exhibition" has been created because some Germans want to feel better about their own past. The real question is: what should Poland do?	Member Posts: 170 Joined: Nov 9, 07

	celinski
	Dec 14, 07, 16:00 #8 Quoting: slick77 what should Poland do? If I say I may be accused of being to proud. I'll just say, time to speak up Poland. Carol	Member Posts: 1766 Joined: Nov 14, 07

	southern
	Dec 14, 07, 16:09 #9 Quoting: slick77 what should Poland do? Return Auschwitz to its owners.	Member Posts: 2474 Joined: May 17, 07

	Lukasz
	Dec 14, 07, 16:10 #10 ;) I was just thinking about this situation heh ;)))) poor Germans they hadnt been accepted as "SUPER RACE" ;-) what is more they had to go home ;-)	Member Posts: 2238 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	the_falkster
	Dec 14, 07, 16:21 #11 Quoting: Lukasz German technologies like making soap form human body not a specifically GERMAN technology... Quoting: Grzegorz_ shouldn't have led to the ovens eye for an eye?? Quoting: Lukasz German way of thinking did you actually READ the article?? than you came across this: But that is highly controversial, and many politicians and other groups in Germany are opposed to the idea. as is the majority of germans... Quoting: celinski time to speak up Poland against what? a minority of diluted yesterday's germans? that would only give importance to something that is not worth it...	Member Posts: 198 Joined: Nov 15, 07

	Lukasz
	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 14, 07, 16:22 #12 Quoting: southern Return Auschwitz to its owners. you should be careful because last time it is noticable that some people think that Poles were Nazists and only smal part of German society colaborated with us ... :))) I think that in close future we will read in press about Polish Blitzkrieg :-) and French Bombarding London durring WWII (all in all German air bases were in France) :))))) Quoting: the_falkster than you came across this:But that is highly controversial, and many politicians and other groups in Germany are opposed to the idea.as is the majority of germans... yes but idea of this center is strongly supported by your gov ...	Member Posts: 2238 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	southern
	Dec 14, 07, 16:32 #13 Quoting: Lukasz :))) I think that in close future we will read in press about Polish Blitzkrieg :-) You have still not apologized for the polish attack on Gleiwitz.	Member Posts: 2474 Joined: May 17, 07

	Lukasz
	Dec 14, 07, 16:39 #14 Quoting: southern You have still not apologized for the polish attack on Gleiwitz. ohhh yes :))) I remember this German idea ... maybe I will introduce this one :)) There was one German idea, maybe some people dont know about it, but I think that one day they will read it in press ... Poles started WWII in 1939, yes we atacked Germany first :-))))	Member Posts: 2238 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	Grzegorz_
	Dec 14, 07, 16:42 #15 Quoting: Lukasz yes we atacked Germany first :-)))) Poor Gerries had to defend themselves...	Member Posts: 4907 Joined: Nov 16, 06

	southern
	Dec 14, 07, 16:48 #16 Quoting: Grzegorz_ Poor Gerries had to defend themselves... 20 attacks,3 of them serious.Not a small deal.	Member Posts: 2474 Joined: May 17, 07

	the_falkster
	Dec 14, 07, 16:49 #17 Quoting: Lukasz but idea of this center is strongly supported by your gov wrong. discussions about it are around since decades and nothing ever gets done. if the gov would be up for it it would have been built already. our gov fails though to send a clear signal i have to admit... Quoting: Lukasz There was one German idea, maybe some people dont know about it, but I think that one day they will read it in press ... Poles started WWII in 1939, yes we atacked Germany first where is this going now??? okay it is the weekend... did you have some drinks?? :D (well... i did...) Quoting: Grzegorz_ Poor Gerries had to defend themselves you too had some drinks?? :D start to become a funny thread now...	Member Posts: 198 Joined: Nov 15, 07

	Lukasz
	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 14, 07, 16:52 #18 Quoting: the_falkster where is this going now???okay it is the weekend... did you have some drinks?? :D(well... i did...) I was part of Nazi propaganda ... it is fact ... but it was so pathetic that some authories decided to write about Polish dead camps :-) but if you want some data your welcome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident The Gleiwitz incident was a staged attack on 31 August 1939 against the German radio station Sender Gleiwitz in Gleiwitz, Upper Silesia, Germany (since 1945: Gliwice, Republic of Poland) on the eve of World War II in Europe. This provocation was one of several actions in Operation Himmler, a Nazi Germany SS project to create the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany, which would be used to justify the subsequent invasion of Poland.	Member Posts: 2238 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	Philips1
	Dec 14, 07, 17:02 #19 Quoting: celinski Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? Well, both of you can claim many losses. Besides to me Nazis and Germans are not the same. If your question was, "should Nazis claim to be the victims in Poland?" my answer would be no.	Member Posts: 42 Joined: Dec 9, 07

	Bratwurst Boy
	Dec 14, 07, 17:13 #20 Quoting: the_falkster Quoting: Lukasz but idea of this center is strongly supported by your gov wrong. discussions about it are around since decades and nothing ever gets done. if the gov would be up for it it would have been built already. our gov fails though to send a clear signal i have to admit.. God falkster, what a Schwuchtel you are...you have not one german bone in you! For your information: Mrs. Merkel herself supports strongly the build...it's in the government treaty! "...Die Vorbereitungen seien auf einem guten Weg, sagte Merkel. "Wir haben uns das im Koalitionsvertrag vorgenommen, und wir werden das umsetzen", kündigte die Kanzlerin an. Das Gedenken an die Vertreibung sei "Teil unserer deutschen Identität und Teil unserer Erinnerungskultur". Befürchtungen, durch das Gedenken könnte Geschichte relativiert werden, wies Merkel zurück. "Wir verwechseln nicht Ursache und Wirkung, wenn wir der Vertreibung gedenken", betonte die Kanzlerin....." http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,512931,00.html And for your stupid argument that only some backwards thinking minority is interested in such things...here a little list of some very famous and respected people who support this center too! http://www.z-g-v.de/aktuelles/?id=40 For everybody else: THE BRATWURSTBOY IS BACK! (special greetings to my Puzzler) :)	Member Posts: 1496 Joined: Apr 2, 07

	Lukasz
	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 14, 07, 17:13 #21 Quoting: Philips1 Besides to me Nazis and Germans are not the same. yes we know that during WWII there were good Russians and bad Soviets there were good Germans and bad Nazists We have to invent name for our bad characters in our history :))) Quoting: Bratwurst Boy Bratwurst Boy oooo our nazi puppet is back	Member Posts: 2238 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	slick77
	Edited by: slick77 Dec 14, 07, 17:20 #22 Quoting: Philips1 Besides to me Nazis and Germans are not the same. During WWII the majority of Germans were either members of nazi organizations or supported nazi regime. Also, a lot of Germans voted or supported nazi party in the 30’s. It is because of that support Hitler came to power. So, it is safe to say that Germans, not some abstract nazis are responsible for what happened during WWII. Even, the German government does not deny the fact that Germany should to bare responsibility for what happened during WWII.	Member Posts: 170 Joined: Nov 9, 07

	southern
	Edited by: southern Dec 14, 07, 17:25 #23 Quoting: Bratwurst Boy here a little list of some very famous and respected people who support this center too! I do not see any SS in the list. Let's see the battle Brat vs falkster.	Member Posts: 2474 Joined: May 17, 07

	Bratwurst Boy
	Dec 14, 07, 17:28 #24 Even today lot's of Germans see many good things in the third Reich a survey found out... One in Four actually! This falkster guy is so far removed from the german people it's ridiculous! I HAD to come back! :)	Member Posts: 1496 Joined: Apr 2, 07

	southern
	Dec 14, 07, 17:30 #25 When the brats appear,the falksters disappear.Poles have some right to distrust.	Member Posts: 2474 Joined: May 17, 07

	Lukasz
	Dec 14, 07, 17:30 #26 Quoting: Grzegorz_ LOL ! :):) yes I m happy as well this idiot will help us to prove our statemnets :)	Member Posts: 2238 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	southern
	Edited by: southern Dec 14, 07, 17:31 #27 Quoting: Lukasz this idiot will help us to prove our statemnets :) Bratwurst will play with you like the cat with the mouse. Why the Germans always manage to give the impression they want?	Member Posts: 2474 Joined: May 17, 07

	Bratwurst Boy
	Dec 14, 07, 17:32 #28 Which "statemnets" would that be???	Member Posts: 1496 Joined: Apr 2, 07

	Lukasz
	Dec 14, 07, 17:33 #29 Quoting: Bratwurst Boy Which "statemnets" would that be??? just tell us what you think	Member Posts: 2238 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	Bratwurst Boy
	Dec 14, 07, 17:34 #30 Don't you hate these "internationalists" too??? I much prefer a nationalistic Pole to an "internationalist" with no pride in his heritage at all...	Member Posts: 1496 Joined: Apr 2, 07

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