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Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland?

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	Bratwurst Boy
	Dec 14, 07, 20:45 #121 Quoting: shopgirl Excuse me for asking, but doesn't this museum recognize displacement of other peoples in Europe as well, or is that just besides the point? Yes...and yes (I fear)....	Member Posts: 1465 Joined: Apr 2, 07

	Lukasz
	Dec 14, 07, 20:45 #122 Quoting: Bratwurst Boy That's funny...all Danziger wanted "Heim ins Reich"...as Hitler drove into the town the people flipped in extasy! Germans ... yes they wanted to be super race but they lost ... as to XIX century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanisation Prussian authorities settled German speaking ethnic groups in Polish territories after the partitions of Poland. A similar policy was pursued by Austria in Galicia, until 1867 when Galicia gained autonomy. Later, the means of the policy was the elimination of non-German languages from public life and from academic settings (such as schools). Later in the German Empire, Poles were (together with Danes, Alsatians, German Catholics and Socialists) portrayed as "Reichsfeinde" ("foes to the empire").[4] In addition, in 1885, the Prussian Settlement Commission financed from the national government's budget was set up to buy land from non-German hands and distribute it among German farmers.[5] From 1908 the committee was entitled to force the landowners to sell the land. Other means included Prussian deportations 1885-1890: deportation of non-Prussian nationals who had lived in Prussia for substantial time periods (mostly Poles and Jews) and the ban on the building of houses by non-Germans (see Drzymała's van). Germanisation policy in schools also took the form of abuse of Polish children by Prussian officials (see Września). Germanisation unintentionally stimulated resistance, usually in the form of home schooling and tighter unity in the minority groups.	Member Posts: 2220 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	Przemas
	Dec 14, 07, 20:47 #123 Quoting: Bratwurst Boy Face it Lukasz...in ethnic cleansing you mastered the Germans...we were never as good as you! Jesus Christ - this is lunacy	Member Posts: 86 Joined: Dec 12, 07

	Lukasz
	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 14, 07, 20:48 #124 Quoting: Przemas Jesus Christ - this is lunacy no It is German living in future	Member Posts: 2220 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	Bratwurst Boy
	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 14, 07, 20:49 #125 Quoting: Lukasz en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanisation You are one to talk...at least WE LET YOU LIVE THERE...the facts speak clearly! Millions of Poles lived BESIDES Germans in this land! Actually most of that stuff you bring is propaganda only! You know what I find when I read your stuff? POLONIZATION...goooood! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonization "...can be seen as an example of cultural assimilation." GERMANIZATION/RUSSIFICATION....baaaaaad! "...mostly forcible assimilationist policies, implemented by other European powers that have aspired to regional dominance." What a way of words you Poles have...	Member Posts: 1465 Joined: Apr 2, 07

	shopgirl
	Dec 14, 07, 20:53 #126 Quoting: Bratwurst Boy So...Danzig was a polish town? Full with Poles??? Quoting: Lukasz only in part of our history it was called Danzig, originaly name is Gdańsk and now it is Gdańsk again ... Isn't there still an area west of Gdansk that today has a large number of Germanic people living there?	Member Posts: 1128 Joined: Apr 6, 07

	Lukasz
	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 14, 07, 20:53 #127 Quoting: Bratwurst Boy You are one to talk...at leas WE LET YOU LIVE THERE...the facts speak clearly!Millions of Poles lived BESIDES Germans in this land! but Germans were to weak to compete using economy ... and started to use force ... but they lost	Member Posts: 2220 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	Puzzler
	Edited by: Puzzler Dec 14, 07, 20:58 #128 Lukasz, Przemas, I'm surprised you've been talking to this Nazi creep Butburst Boy. It seems he's not a real German either, but a Silesian 'ethnik' by origin. Those are the worst troublemakers and Polonophobes.	Member Posts: 1607 Joined: Mar 21, 07

	Lukasz
	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 14, 07, 21:05 #129 Quoting: Puzzler Lukasz, Przemas, I'm surprised you've been talking to this Nazi creep Butburst Boy. It seems he's not a real German either, but a Silesian 'ethnik' by origin. Those are the worst troublemakers and Polonophobes. yes I think we have made mistake What I want to add ... it is funy that German nazi "F****" forgoten about his country policy in the past ... He asks why Poles didnt want to live together with them after tehy wanted to be "super" race ... killed 6 mln our citizens (3mln jews 3 mln other nationality) and asks why after teh war Poles expeled them ... not only the Poles all central European nations have done it ... Russians Czech Romanians Slovaks ... nobody wanted to look on them ... they should be happy we havent used death industry their bulid in Poland and they were only expeled ... as to Polonisation/Germanisation/Russyfication ask Ukrainians and Lithuenians why do they prefere Poles than Russians and Germans ...	Member Posts: 2220 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	Bratwurst Boy
	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 14, 07, 21:08 #130 Ach Luki...stop blustering...you were greedy after German land, german towns...that was it! Don't be so self-righteous! Naja..anyway...now that you are in the EU we got you in the end! :) We are baaaaack! :):):)	Member Posts: 1465 Joined: Apr 2, 07

	Lukasz
	Dec 14, 07, 21:10 #131 Quoting: Bratwurst Boy Naja..anyway...now that you are in the EU we got you in the end! :) esspecialy when we look on the fact that we started to buy Eastern Germany :)	Member Posts: 2220 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	Bratwurst Boy
	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 14, 07, 21:10 #132 Quoting: Lukasz as to Polonisation/Germanisation/Russyfication ask Ukrainians and Lithuenians why do they prefere Poles than Russians and Germans ... I'm not sure about that...many Ukrainians want to get into the german led EU...(but we won't let them)...and I remember seeing photos of ukrainian peasants with flowers greeting the Wehrmacht...I wonder why.... Quoting: Lukasz esspecialy when we look on the fact that we started to buy Eastern Germany :) You did??? You mean...no car stealing anymore???	Member Posts: 1465 Joined: Apr 2, 07

	Puzzler
	Dec 14, 07, 21:13 #133 Quoting: Lukasz Russians Czech Romanians Slovaks - Well, the Slovaks and Romanians (and Hungarians and Bulgarians) were on the Nazi Germany's side in WWII. And so were the Russians - until June 1941. Impudent people twisting facts, such as Buttburst, are a fact of life, Lukaszek. But we're intelligent enough to demolish their lies, aren't we? :)	Member Posts: 1607 Joined: Mar 21, 07

	Bratwurst Boy
	Dec 14, 07, 21:14 #134 No Puzz...it doesn't seems that way or you wouldn't ask people to ignore me....	Member Posts: 1465 Joined: Apr 2, 07

	Lukasz
	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 14, 07, 21:14 #135 Quoting: Puzzler Well, the Slovaks and Romanians (and Hungarians and Bulgarians) were on the Nazi Germany's side in WWII. And so were the Russians - until June 1941. they expeled Germans too :) Quoting: Bratwurst Boy You did???You mean...no car stealing anymore??? http://www.gazetawyborcza.pl/1,75248,4753533.html translator http://www.tranexp.com:2000/Translate/result.shtml read it and cry	Member Posts: 2220 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	Przemas
	Dec 14, 07, 21:15 #136 Quoting: Bratwurst Boy Naja..anyway...now that you are in the EU we got you in the end! :) We are baaaaack! :):):) Wroclaw thanks you for the current infrastructure – other than that – not quite sure what you are on about? : )	Member Posts: 86 Joined: Dec 12, 07

	Puzzler
	Dec 14, 07, 21:15 #137 Quoting: Bratwurst Boy Ach Luki...stop blustering...you were greedy after German land, german towns...that was it! Don't be so self-righteous! Naja..anyway...now that you are in the EU we got you in the end! :) We are baaaaack! :):):) - Well put, creep. I'll translate it into Polish and get posted on our websites. You'll be famous yet. :)	Member Posts: 1607 Joined: Mar 21, 07

	z_darius
	Dec 14, 07, 21:55 #138 Quoting: Bratwurst Boy What a way of words you Poles have... We'll never match the skillful masters of the Third reich such as Dr. Goebbels.	Member Posts: 1949 Joined: Oct 18, 07

	Lukasz
	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 14, 07, 21:56 #139 ok so maybe one intereting fact for you BB ... in place where my ansestors lived there were Germans too ... after the war all Germans were expeled by law ... but there was one family who was helping Poles during WWII ... my ansestors were members of AK so they were fighting agains Germans and this family were giving informations when Gestapo was coming or what are plans of Germans ... after the war they could stay (gov have taken their land and gave for neighbours but they gave them it back) and they stayed to late '70 they left Poland because during commie time life in Poland was really hard ... but my paretns have been to Germany to visit them and they have been to Poland ... this case show that not all Germans were expeled because they were Germans ...	Member Posts: 2220 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	z_darius
	Dec 14, 07, 21:59 #140 Quoting: Lukasz this case show that not all Germans were expeled becase they were Germans ... True. I knew a few German families in Zielona Gora, who decided to stay. I never heard they had been lynched or persecuted.	Member Posts: 1949 Joined: Oct 18, 07

	Puzzler
	Dec 14, 07, 22:06 #141 Quoting: z_darius Lukasz - Lukasz, I think you are making a mistake by 'explaining' and 'defending' yourself against such Steinbach-style creeps, slanderers and psychopaths like this jolly-piggy here. It's better to ridicule such crap and reply with insults - such insults that really hurt. Don't you know how to do it, mate? ;) Don't let them play their manipulative blame-game on you. Anyhow, you do what you will, you're an adult (I hope). :)	Member Posts: 1607 Joined: Mar 21, 07

	Lukasz
	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 14, 07, 22:29 #142 Quoting: Puzzler Anyhow, you do what you will, you're an adult (I hope).:) dont wory about that Quoting: Puzzler - Lukasz, I think you are making a mistake by 'explaining' and 'defending' yourself against such Steinbach-style creeps, slanderers and psychopaths like this jolly-piggy here. I have my style and I dont need advices ... what is important there is part of German society (like BB who is slav and think that he is German ... his ansestors were submissive and becomed Germans maybe it is good ;) Irish have their Unionists and we have BB LOL the truth is that for Poles and for Germans he is piece of Sh!t) who live in the past ... but I think there are other Germans and we can show them positive true ... not like "Poles buy Germany" yes it is true but I dont have any properies there ;) ... but I see it hurts nazi BB so it is nice to tell him about it ;)	Member Posts: 2220 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	Bratwurst Boy
	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 14, 07, 22:40 #143 Quoting: Lukasz like BB who is slav and think that he is German Ummm...now that is interesting. When I remember all the troubles my ancestors got through to get the Arier-Nachweis (showing their heritage centuries back) needed to make an officers career in the german army....when they in truth were all slavs!! (Maybe they were even Jews without knowing it???) Oh wonder...makes big eyes PS: I have nothing against those few Poles buying land in Germany...but it goes both ways and THAT is important! :) PPS: And I LOVE to tell you about the coming center....you hate it so much! :):):) (I would even also prefer a center IN Danzig...directly under your nose!)	Member Posts: 1465 Joined: Apr 2, 07

	Puzzler
	Dec 14, 07, 22:50 #144 Quoting: Lukasz I have my style and I dont need advices ... - Maybe it's sometimes good for us to listen to those who are wiser than us? What do you think? :)	Member Posts: 1607 Joined: Mar 21, 07

	Bratwurst Boy
	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 14, 07, 22:53 #145 Puzzler and Lukasz...are you German without knowing it??? You know Poland didn't even exist for awhile...swarming with Germans...could very well be... :):):) So many loyal '...ski's fighting for Germany in both World Wars....	Member Posts: 1465 Joined: Apr 2, 07

	Lukasz
	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 14, 07, 22:53 #146 I see that even you are slav ... our authorities have expeled you to your new home land (right decision) ... members of your family were good colaborators ... pfffffffff piece of SH!T and now dream about social benefits and safety Hitler and high ways ... and we are going to buy you :)	Member Posts: 2220 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	Bratwurst Boy
	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 14, 07, 22:54 #147 How can we be collaborateurs when we are proud germans serving our folk and country? I don't quite get your logic??? :( Do you mean the millions of expelled Germans where in truth polish collaborateurs??? Hehe...:) You mean we are in truth just one happy people??? snicker :):):) My lost brother! Let me hug you!!!!	Member Posts: 1465 Joined: Apr 2, 07

	Lukasz
	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 14, 07, 22:58 #148 Quoting: Bratwurst Boy Do you mean the millions of expelled Germans where in truth polish collaborateurs???Hehe...:) you dont understand anything silesians have slavic origin	Member Posts: 2220 Joined: Sep 1, 07

	Bratwurst Boy
	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 14, 07, 23:00 #149 Quoting: Lukasz you dont understand anything Then why are you calling my family "polish collaborateurs"? Silesia had big german centres you know? For centuries Silesia was prussian! Where do you think the millions of people from you did expell came from??? http://www.wroclaw-life.com/wroclaw/history "...The next chapter in the city's colourful history began in 1741 when King Frederick the Great II seized Lower Silesia and brought it under Prussian rule. It was he who officially gave the city its German name of Breslau (or Prezzla), although it had been used for many centuries before by the large ethnic German population. Wroclaw spent the next two hundred years in German hands and by the end of the 19th century it was the third largest Prussian city behind Berlin and Hamburg, and began to be heavily industrialised. ..." My grandparents did marry here...as Germans!	Member Posts: 1465 Joined: Apr 2, 07

	Lukasz
	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 14, 07, 23:02 #150 Quoting: Bratwurst Boy polish collaborateurs I havent called you Polish colaboreutor ... dont play the games ... you know what is opinon about Germans from silesia in Poland ? there are two different kinds of Silesians ... one fighting on Polish side durring uprises and second ... you belong to second	Member Posts: 2220 Joined: Sep 1, 07

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