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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Dec 15, 07, 13:57  #241

Quoting: Lukasz
BB is supporter of NPD


Actually I'm not...they have some interesting view points but sadly they look to the muslims for support and are still anti-semitic.
At the same time the Jews are only such a tiny group of people in Germany (mainly ex-russian now) but the disturbances between the moslems and the Germans grow daily.

So, the NPD is quite unacceptable to me!

PS: Mrs. Steinbach is Boss of the organization of the Expellees...and a center for the Expellees WITHOUT their approvement is ridiculous.
But believe me..Mrs. Steinbach is such a though fighting woman she will get her way...as always!

Steinbach for Chancellor! :)


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the_falkster
  Dec 15, 07, 13:57  #242

bockwurst...

do you really believe that nationalistic people like you are the future for germany?
do you really think that you have anything serious to contribute to our culture?
has germany not gone through all this once already?
don't you think that the intelligence in germany will prevent this aggression against our neighbours that you represent?
isn't it people like you and the likes of you that always only make it into the media for any violent acts against foreigners (amongst others) for example?
do you really believe that anybody is taking these people serious through these acts?
do you believe that on here people take you serious?

i mean... wake up, boy!

btw i do not hate east germans as large parts of my family live there. what i certainly DO hate is uprising of far right nazi tendencies amongst low educated visionless unemployed young people who follow the wrong idols...

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
the time of the "falksters" is going to end

i like that... having a period of time named after me... it is going to end?? i don't think so...


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Dec 15, 07, 14:00  #243

Hehe...what do you know falkster...there in England!

And please...bring some support to show that YOU are right and not me!
Till now it's only ME bringing facts into this discussion!

BELIEVING can you what you want!

PS: You should be really careful of others accusing with "low education".
In this discussion I showed that it was YOU who had no idea....

PPS: And on the other hand YOUR kind of "education" is noted and disliked...


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Dec 15, 07, 14:02  #244

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Steinbach for Chancellor! :)


Great example

she is head of this organiation she came to Poland in 39 together with German soldiers and escaped before Russians came (I have checked it) she is one of milions expeled form Poland ... I forgoten about the fact that 30% of members of this organisation are former SS soldiers


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the_falkster
  Dec 15, 07, 14:02  #245

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
YOU who had no idea

dream on...


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Bratwurst Boy
  Dec 15, 07, 14:04  #246

Quoting: the_falkster
dream on...


No need to...we are "Do'ers" !

:)


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the_falkster
  Dec 15, 07, 14:08  #247

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
we are "Do'ers"

i assume that labels the army of unemployed peole in east germany who at this moment have pretty much nothing to "do"?
unless you specifiy "we" a bit more, in which case i would apologise...


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Dec 15, 07, 14:09  #248

the other fact is that after building the center it is posible Polish organiations are going to go to courts, because Germans havent payed anything ... and some Jewish lawers (they won in simillar cases against Germans) declared help ... I dont know if it is good direction ...


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Dec 15, 07, 14:13  #249

Quoting: the_falkster

i assume that labels the army of unemployed peole in east germany who at this moment have pretty much nothing to "do"?
unless you specifiy "we" a bit more, in which case i would apologise...


"WE" are the new right...contrary to you old green-left-multikulti-moslemloving-warguiltwallowing-sandalwearers! :)
(forgot "INTERNATIONALISTS")

Quoting: Lukasz
Germans havent payed anything


Again....how much worth is all the land, the farms, the little villages, the big towns??? Wanna compare???


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Dec 15, 07, 14:15  #250

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Again....how much worth is all the land, the farms, the little villages, the big towns??? Wanna compare???


yes ...

we can copare 6 mln Polish citizens killed ...

95 % of Warszawa totaly destroyed ...

as to your properies you expeled Poles form there using force, or simply killing them ...

GERMANS STARTED THE WAR , AND WANTED TO EXTERMINTE OUR NATION

USA UK SU DECIDED TO CHANGE BORDER AND EXPEL GERMANS !!! IT WASNT OUR DECISON


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Bratwurst Boy
  Dec 15, 07, 14:17  #251

Quoting: Lukasz
GERMANS STARTED THE WAR , AND WANTED TO EXTERMINTE OUR NATION


Hmm...what makes you so sure?
Germans ruled in the East for centuries...and you still existed in these lands.


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Dec 15, 07, 14:22  #252

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Germans ruled in the East for centuries...and you still existed in these lands.


ruled

pffff

Prussian duke (beging on knees BTW nice beginig of Prussia ) and our King ... later you atacked Poland together wit Russians and Austrians and started to expel Poles (whole XIX century)

ssss


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Dec 15, 07, 14:25  #253

Then how comes there were all those Millions of Poles in Prussia/Silesia etc.

So many to make uprisings???

(If they would had been really expelled the way the Poles did it...there would never have been a danger...)


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the_falkster
  Dec 15, 07, 14:26  #254

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
old green-left-multikulti-moslemloving-warguiltwallowing-sandalwearers

so not me... lol

but okay... i have my image of you and you have yours of mine...
let's just leave it like that we're most certainly not changing each others opinion...


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Bratwurst Boy
  Dec 15, 07, 14:27  #255

Agreed!


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Lukasz
  Dec 15, 07, 14:28  #256

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
(If they would had been really expelled the way the Poles did it...there would never have been a danger...)


because it is not so easy to expel Pole

town where I live

All in all, the policies of Germanisation of the Poznań area mostly failed. Although most of the administrative measures aimed against the Poles remained in force until 1918, between 1912 and 1914 only four Polish-owned estates were expropriated, while at the same time Polish social organizations successfully competed with German trade organizations and even started to buy land from the Germans. The long-lasting effect of the Polish-German conflict in the area was development of a sense of Greater Polish identity, distinct from the identity common in other parts of Poland and primarily associated with nationalist ideas rather than socialism, prevailing in other parts of the country in 20th century.



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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Dec 15, 07, 14:31  #257

Quoting: Lukasz
because it is not so easy to expel Pole


Germans unable to expel Poles (even if they wanted to)

Quoting: Lukasz
All in all, the policies of Germanisation of the Poznań area mostly failed.


Germans unable to "Germanize" Poles (even if they wanted to)


Those stupid Germans! :(
(They should take lessons from the Poles to do it "right")


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Lukasz
  Dec 15, 07, 14:33  #258

so you started to use force ...


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Dec 15, 07, 14:34  #259

Quoting: Lukasz
so you started to use force ...


Yes...after centuries we now thought it would be time!
(My are we slow sometimes....)

...not only stupid but slow too...:(


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Matyjasz
  Dec 15, 07, 14:40  #260

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
...not only stupid but slow too...:(



Remember that it is you who said it, not us. ;P


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Lukasz
  Dec 15, 07, 14:41  #261

but the disturbances between the moslems and the Germans grow daily.


I feel sound ... so we have first enemies :-) of empire LOL


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Dec 15, 07, 14:44  #262

Quoting: Matyjasz
Remember that it is you who said it, not us. ;P


It's how I said before:

Germans can't hold a candle to the Poles concerning ethnic cleansing!
I wondered about all that resistance my first post got...the facts are there...

Quoting: Lukasz
I feel sound ... so we have first enemies :-) of empire LOL


Huh?


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Dec 15, 07, 14:47  #263

OK MAYBE AGAIN GERMANS INVADED POLAND WANTED TO EXTERMINATE ALL POLES ...

BUT FAILED ... AND WERE KICKED

WE KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD THIS CENTER AND FORMER NAZIST WILL BE FACE OF THIS PROJECT ... AND IT WILL BE BASED IN BERILN (SO YOU WILL REJECT POLISH PROPSAL BUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT WE GAVE PROPOSITON ... WE ARE NOT ARGUERS BUT OUR PROPOSAL WAS RESPONSIBLE)

BUT IT IS GOOD TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF FORCES ARE STRONG IN GERMANY NOW


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Dec 15, 07, 14:51  #264

Quoting: Lukasz
OK MAYBE AGAIN GERMANS INVADED POLAND WANTED TO EXTERMINATE ALL POLES ...


Who said: "Opinions are like arseholes..everybody has one!" ???

PS: WHY do you want us Germans to exterminate all of you so badly?
Does it make you feel better?

Quoting: Lukasz
WE KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD THIS CENTER AND FORMER NAZIST WILL BE FACE OF THIS PROJECT ... AND IT WILL BE BASED IN BERILN (SO YOU WILL REJECT POLISH PROPSAL BUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT WE GAVE PROPOSITON ... WE ARE NOT ARGUERS BUT OUR PROPOSAL WAS RESPONSIBLE)


Erm...you locked your Tab key I fear....

Anyway...there is nothing wrong with the proposal to build the center in Danzig...I like that idea actually!


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Lukasz
  Dec 15, 07, 14:53  #265

OH YES WHAT IS MORE 80% OF GERMANS (FOR EXAMPLE IN GDANSK) SUPPORTED HITLER ... (ONE OF THE BIGEST LEVELS IN GERMANY) SO THEY WANTED TO HAVE SERVANTS ...


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Dec 15, 07, 14:57  #266

Quoting: Lukasz
OH YES WHAT IS MORE 80% OF GERMANS (FOR EXAMPLE IN GDANSK) SUPPORTED HITLER ... (ONE OF THE BIGEST LEVELS IN GERMANY) SO THEY WANTED TO HAVE SERVANTS ..


Of course did they support Hitler...he was the one who promised to bring them home...to make Danzig a real german town again, something the Treaty of Versailles destroyed!
To right again what was percieved by millions as a grave injustice!

The uprisers in Silesia also supported the Poles and wanted to become part of Poland, didn't they? Weren't they traitors to Schlesien?
Or can only Poles have this right but not Germans?


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Lukasz
  Dec 15, 07, 15:00  #267

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Of course did they support Hitler...he was the one who promised to bring them home...to make Danzig a real german town again, something the Treaty of Versailles destroyed!To right again what was percieved by millions as a grave injustice!The uprisers in Silesia also supported the Poles and wanted to become part of Poland, didn't they? Weren't they traitors to Schlesien?Or can only Poles have this right but not Germans?


and were killing Poles


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Bratwurst Boy
  Dec 15, 07, 15:01  #268

Quoting: Lukasz
and were killing Poles


You mean after or before they did expell them?


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Dec 15, 07, 15:01  #269

Quoting: celinski
Relations between Berlin and Warsaw are strained

I`m not surprised. Germans are Germans and Poles know their duty

Germany rule EU, trying to destroy Slavic South, provoke Poland. On the long run Germany would face with united Slavic respond

What I learned analyzing Slavic history is fact that Slavs always, no matter were they in formal union or alliance, behaved as ONE ORGANISM and demonstrated solidarity (!even no matter on mutual divisions!) with other Slavs threatening by hostile foreigners.


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Dec 15, 07, 15:02  #270

CROW!!!!

:):):)

Quoting: Crow
What I learned analyzing Slavic history is fact that Slavs always, no matter were they in formal union or alliance, behaved as ONE ORGANISM and demonstrated solidarity


Yup...Poles and Russians...what a love story! :)
..and the Czechs were so happy to give part of their land to Poles...
And the Ukrainian Waffen-SS division...boy did they love their slavic brothers!

Not to mention how they all stormed to help Serbia as Yugoslavia broke up...I remember the voluntares from all slavic countries taking up arms for Serbia!

*nods vigorously*


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