Should Poland continue to support Bush's war on terror?

Ah,the famous "Missile shield in Poland", AKA, the bit of tech' that as far as uncle sam hopes will detonate any inbound missiles over europe instead of the good ole US of A, yeah,thanks for that, our only hope is it works as well as Patriot,then we can just sit back an watch them zoom over head with a clear run over the atlantic (god forbid this ever happens,but,ya get me.)

You are happy to go to war for proffit, that makes you merceneries surely? Dont you ever have altruistic thoughts as a nation? Or is it like the fact that " Charity" seems to be a very rude word in Poland?
Anyway, your mil support is being totally funded by Uncle Sam, other nations Tax payers foot the bill for their armed forces ,why dont you? Or is that what your getting out of it,pay packets for soldiers....

ps, my above post did not specify where the missile shield was/is going to be,especially as Poland is NOT the only country it is in!!!!!! so admin, if you want to advertise a link fine,please dont do it in my posts without consultation thank you.

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That's fine - but then send any message you want to post to: info@polishforums.com to consult with us first.. :}

I hope Poland won't fight in any "holy war" - Iraq isn't for Poland best friend country either.

Bush asked Poland (and other countries) for support because there are fewer and fewer American men/soldiers who would want to go to Iraq. You don't suggest that Poland should sacrifice hundreds of soldiers in the name of "altruistic thoughts"? Again, we are not an Islamic country...

Not unique to any particular nation, is it?

Unlike... which country?

Poland spent on purchaes of US arms then it received from the US. Aren't you onfusing Poland with Turkey?

To my knowledge, Polish government would like to have some US bases moved from Germany to Poland. Germans are not altruisitc enough to be cheerful about that either.
Reason?
All the $$$ that goes with a US basis in a certain area.

Yes, I am aware of this when we talk of terrorrists in a simple form. Are you aware there are terorrists that come in all shapes and sizes?




We have our heads covered, thanks.

Carol

Lol, OK you got me :)

well,lets see, the UN peacekeeping forces in the balkans. You could hardly call Britians sending troops to bosnia a profitable exercise. Or even the USA's early attempts in Somalia,hardly a lot of profit there was there? Yes,there are plenty of examples of countries whose soldiers risk thier lives for ideals,not profits. Afganistan,Britain has sent 380 million sterling in aid this year alone,Im sorry but Im not seeing any profit in that.

No, Uncle Sam is picking up the bill for your troops in Iraq and Afganistan,Turkey doesnt have any troops in either of these two countries.

If we are not over there then terrorists have no reason to come here.

Are you specifically concerned about large Bear Shaped Terrorists?

We were not over there when they came over here.



I tend to duck for the ones shaped like planes.

The US meddling in the Middle East many many years, thus they are so unpopular in Muslim countries.

better than for dollar bills surely?

whats that got to do with the price of fish?????bless,must be lovely to live in glorious isolation......

good call.
This URL is in Polish. It lists Polish peace missions under various international organizations. Yes Iraq is listed. Feel free to subtract that from the list, and to make it even, in exchange subtract 400 years of British mission in India. Deal? :)


False.
Poland asked for $30M after 1 year in Iraq for repairs of the equpment. USA refused. A couple years before Poland spet ober $300M for US military equpment (instead of Swedish, even though Swedes offered a better price)
That was about the same time when Turkey demanded (and received) $1B aid from the US, even after refusing to allow Americans to use Turkish air bases.

Actualy,in a very literal sense ,"You" were. The 9/11 terrorists were almost all Saudi 's, al Queda's big problam viz a viz the USA is twofold, 1, that "you" support the Saudi Royal family/dictatorship and that 2, US troops are based in Saudi,the land of Mecca and Medina,Islams holiest centers,and therefore a bit of a no no to have "infadel troops" stationed there.

Show me a country that isn't... Shoot they don't even get along with each other.


Please, where is your reciept for your tanks?




Can't make everyone happy all the time. We were there but were not doing anything but taking up space.

wrong addressee. I don't own tanks (other than the gas tanks in my cars)

Ok clever clogs,yes Poland has had UN peacekeeping forces,my argument is not with Polands forces but Hello's claim that they should only fight for profit.
And, Britain in India, get the facts right,the first British influence in india was in the 1750s ,backing a local ruler and setting up trade missions, India stayed ruled by indians until the mid 19th century,less than 1oo years later it was handed back ,incidently to an Indian ruling elite all educated in some of britains finest universities......blah blah on about india,forget about ukraine eh? Every country at some time had or wanted an empire, "we" were just bloody good at it :)

why would you even ask?

Our soldiers are still present in Balkans under the jurisdiction of UN. Polish peacekeeping mission in Kosovo is just one of several peace keeping missions under the UN that are currently being carried out. Hardly profitable for us but still we are there.

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Somebody beat me to it. :P

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Because the equipment was broken? ;)

They attacked the US because no other country was so active in this region pushing its interests. No other country could be compared with the US on this issue.

Yeah, right. And to support this argument you cite examples of UK's UN missions


OK, subtract 300 years from the 400. As for Ukraine... shall we look at the map of the world and the British altruism over the centuries? I thought you mentioned something about facts a few times. Stick to them. Poland's occupation of foreign lands pales in comparison to the British "altrusim".


I didn't. Polish government did. But that's besides the point. The fact is that Poland paid Americans much more than it ever received for the purpose of military development. Now that I proved you wrong you turn around and invent a new sily question just to keep your failed stance going. It failed. Live with it.

Btw. didn't UK ask (and receive) any US help in not such remote history? Why would they even ask, huh?

  

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I believe they called for USA and low and behold USA is there.

Asking for such small amount of cash is disgraceful. If they went then they should ask for much more because the US is in Iraq not because they are spreading democracy for sure.

An interesting thing is that Iraq owed Poland about $1B in unpaid contracts.

Yes,because I also didnt mention the French,Dutch ,Canadian,Ukrainian,Sweddish forces does that mean I dont think they existed or maybe just because the UKs forces,being the one my mates served in over there were the first ones to come to mind. Stop being so PARANOID!!:)

Face it, if Poland had ever been a real force in the world/united in any undertaking and not split by petty rivalries and greedy Gentry Poland would have had just as much an empire as Britain,or Germany or France,or Portugal or,god forbid,Belgium, Dont mistake lack of ability with lack of want...

You have demonstrated,both in this thread and others you know very little regarding the British Empire,so anything you are going to say on the subject comes across more like bleeding hearts revisionism with a dash of jelousy.

what are you twittering on about? What on earth do you mean,"proved me wrong"? Well good for you if you think that,give yourself a cookie and a glass of milk........and remove the rose tints

"Btw. didn't UK ask (and receive) any US help in not such remote history? Why would they even ask, huh?"

er,yes darius (nice persian name btw), the UK did, and recieved a lone which was paid up in full the middle of last year,and,just so you dont make a total prat of yourself,no,Britain did not recieve money in the Marshal plan.........

No paranoia on my end.
Check yours. You cited UK's altruism in contrast to the lack of thereof in he case of Poland. I cited Polish altruism and supported it with facts. What's the problem now?


As a matter of fact Poland was the mighties empire in Europe at one time. Polish rich nobility could afford to buy English rich mobility a few times over. Poland used to be richer than many European countries, even than France. The glory is long gone. So is the glory of the British Empire.


Now, now. Don;t put so much emotion into your lost glory. You shi.t on Poland for certain reasons, and I am merely showing you that if I wanted to sh.it on UK I could have even more of the same reasons. I am sure you know most of the stuff I wrote about, so you are either a hippocrite, a liar, or blind. Use the same measure for both countries, and you will soon see that your criticism of Poland is a mere projection.



Yes. I did. Your statements about alleged financing of Polish armed forces by the US in your post was either a lie, or uninformed gibberish. In either case you did not live up to your own criteria of the need present facts, so proven wrong you aksed "why"?
Did it ever occur to you they asked for the money for the same reasons UK asked Americans for money? They needed it.

LMAO, no really,come on now,say it aint so ......

You seem to be the only person wanting to defacate on a country, all I said was Hellos attitude that troops should only fight for profit stinks,your the one bringing up empires etc.....

oh,good for you psychology week 2 lessons now......
What critisisms,beyond seeming to be mercineries,I didnt say they are, Hello seems to want them to be, I think to turn your psychology around slightly,some form of personal shortcoming you may be suffering from projects itself in your blind attacks on non Polish posters.....

OOOhh, Im loving this now,OK you asked for it;
"Last year, the United States paid to airlift Poland’s 2,400 troops to Iraq, built their camps and provided equipment. Poland also received $57 million in solidarity funds, although this has not stopped it from drawing down its troops in Iraq. (While Poland recently added 50 troops to its force of 100 in Afghanistan, it may completely withdraw its military from Iraq in 2007.) "
Taken from the NY times, heres the link;
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/31/opinion/31weitsman.html

to quote Harris, you sowed the wind now reap the whirlwind......

And he will pay them (British and Polish puppet armies) handsomely with the Oil money from Iran itself. Bush will have plenty of money to pay the hired help, British, Polish or whatever army once he attacks Iran for its rich natural resource (oil).

yep,er,what with, The US army is overstreched,so is the British, sorry hun, no invasion of Iran going to happen any time soon.

Soon Bush will be gone and the WOT will be still going on and If you take a look at Afghanistan there's almost every "western" country involved. Americans commited many mistakes in Iraq but It doesn't mean that Saddam was a cool guy. In case of Poland we shouldn't be "more American than Americans" and should care first of all about our own business but we definately shouldn't start playing anti-American card.

is that your official factual argument? Do you homework.


see, I told you it's projection :)


Reall, I attack non-Polish poster? Not theur statements?

Admittedly, I didn'tknow about this deal.
Still, peanuts compared to real deals:

But the record shows that early last year, the United States brought the full force of its powerful economy to bear on prospective military allies, offering more than $4 billion in an unsuccessful attempt to gain the allegiance of Turkey and helping to negotiate Poland's $3.5 billion purchase of 48 F-16 fighter planes from Bethesda-based Lockheed Martin Corp.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7097.htm

He has an agenda alright. It's called Oil. You can read all about it in:

michaelmoore.com