Should Poland continue to support Bush's war on terror?

Of course they knew.They knew about Perl Harbour also.But why intervene if sb does sth so useful for you?

I believe you mean they had misgivings. No one wanted to go agianst the majority and speak up and therefore they all went along. In hindsite, they wished they risked speaking up. We could say the same with putting all WW1 reserve in Russia's back yard.


My buck is worth less. I guess it all equals out.



Carol

this is step 3 or 4 or even 15 of the evolution of the events there. yes they are still sour about the crusades but there are also prior events (XX century) that are reinforcing their feelings.. ottam empire ring a bell? how about the british one? and of course we continue to meddle. put yourself in their shoes. what would you do? how would you feel if all of a sudden VA became a puritan country with the blessing of other powers? would you put up with that?


we did help install the shah of iran. iran is in the ME. also look into our connection to the house of saud.

and the biggest "coup," giving arab lands to the jews.

prices seem to fluctuate considerably in indy on a daily basis

szkotja2007 is right - in the uk we pay a phenomenal amount more for our petrol than you do in the states

the cradle of civilazion. hmmm

I agree. That's what birts do the best. Give land that doesn't belong to them.

as opposed to america... which just goes to land that doesnt belong to them, makes a mess and then skuttles home with their tail between their legs...

Ranj...did you say something about stalking? lol

do you think the post has something to do with you...?

must be your polish inferiority complex getting the better of you again

lelol

You mentioned America in your previous post, so it has everything to do with me.

If you want to blame your own stupidity on "polish inferiority complex" then go ahead.

It's not not the Americans that left you alone in 1939.

UK also has socialized medicine, etc. which are not free...I bet the price of fuel in the UK has a lot more to do with taxes than it does with the *actual* cost of the fuel itself...even in the US a large part of the price of fuel at the pump is actually composed of taxes.
Oh, and btw...America is still there...if that is what you mean by "going home with its tail between its legs". UK pulled out of Basra. US increased forces.
If by "making a mess" you mean taking down a government that was quite content making dissidents "disappear" in Soviet fashion, run by a dictator who had started as a revolutionary and proceeded to become more and more evil-and took pride in knowing most of his neighbors suspected he had WMDs and feared him for it-then count me in.
By the way, this is the same "mess" we made of Germany-which seems ok for the wear, as well as Japan-which we even NUKED. TWICE!. Japan is also doing well...
It would seem a "mess" made by the Americans has a historical precedent of turning out a lot better than contemporary naysayers tend to expect...
Plk123-
I pretty much agree with your last post-so I think perhaps you misread mine? I'm not all that positive we disagree here...
I am American, not British, many of the things you mention were actions of the British Empire, and many of the things America did do in some of the above posts...have nothing to do with Bush. I do have some issues with our President, but none of them have anything to do with blaming him for the Carter administration's questionable activities.
And by the way, when it comes to Israel/Palestine/whatever-it DID belong to the British, unless I have my facts wrong-as did most of the world at one point. Generally, when a nation is conquered, it also becomes property of the conqueror. Sad fact of life. Someone buys your house because you can't make the payments? It's now that person's house, not yours, no matter how long you've lived there. Very few countries have made exceptions to this rule-Alexander's Greek armies to an extent, and the Americans.

Wonder if BubbaWoo gonna deny this fact

Hmmm....did this and found page after page debunking that story. It was a rumor started by one of the Islamic networks, (Islam Online)which then got spread and blown all about by networks who didn't bother doing their homework,(starting with the Italians) if they even had anyone there...which I sort of doubt...
US hasn't even possessed Napalm since 2001-and no Mk77 Incendiaries were used in that fight, either, although Mk77 Incendiaries were used elsewhere in Iraq against Iraqi troops.
Incidentally-napalm is still allowed by international law in conflict against enemy forces, as are incendiaries of other sorts...even white phosphorous.
However, the US doesn't have Napalm anymore (I remember vaguely them deciding to do away with it, but not sure if it was public pressure or simply that it was obsolete), and the only WP (White Phosphorous) used at Fallujah was to light up the sky at night or to signal enemy action, etc. etc. The enemy killed at Fallujah-were blown up or shot fair and square, if there is such a thing...
LATINA...the only reporters losing their jobs these days are the ones who dare to expose current media dogma, not the ones who disagree with Bush. Those are dime-a-dozen these days. The White House DID know there was a terrorist cell operating in U.S. but shut down the US Military operation to stop the cell, because it was politically risky to the White house. Only thing was...by "White House" here, pretty sure we are talking about Clinton. Not Bush, as Mr. Moore would have you believe...he is a crafty devil...
edit: To be honest, I think pre-911 has to be looked at differently as well. You can imagine the response from defense dept. lawyers when they hear these SpecOps troops tell what they have found and believe...they started talking about due process of law, what can you *prove* the people are going to do...how do you KNOW they will do it...it's really hard to arrest someone on what you think they are GOING to do, unfortunately, unless you have cold, hard, proof they are going to do so. Unfortunately-too often, such proof is never available in sufficient amounts to convince people in time.

By the way, isn't britain the part of what bubbawoo called a "mess"? isn't britain also preparing to put "its tail between its legs" and go back home?

Absolutely :-)

- And so is Poland. But without US, there wouldn't have been any 'mess.' US has dragged countries closely associated with it into the horrific mess, destructive to those countries (and to US). Withdrawing from Iraq is actually a praiseworthy act. When - if ever - will Americans start refusing to ruin their own country and die for Israel?

Was this really terrorist cells? Too many facts don't fit. Six of the Nineteen "terrorist" turned up alive in variouse places after these events. The WTC buildings 1, 2 and 7 collapsing defied all the laws of physics. As for the pentagon, well we have to ask where did the aeroplane go? How did it fit into a sixteen foot hole? How did it get anywhere near the building? We're talking about the military HQ of the best equiped fighting force on the planet. And then there's the ability of the alleged pilot being able to fly an extremely large passenger jet at 400 MPH (600 KMH) at tree top level to hit a building that's only 72 feet high.

Why did Bush's government only spend half a million $ investigating the worst crime against it since Pearl Harbor, but $40m to find out what Monika Lewinski did with his winckle.

The list of unanswerd questions is endless.

If you followed the thread you would probably notice that my post was in response to bubbawoo's comment that US “skuttles home with their tail between their legs". Moreover, my intention was not to start a debate whether war in Iraq is necessary or not. I simply pointed out that UK and Poland are part of that conflict. So, if Poland would like to withdraw its forces from Iraq, would you say that Poland “skuttles home with its tail between its legs”?

Educate yourselves on socialized medicine watch SICKO by Michael Moore. And it is very real because I live in NYC and I live with the healthcare system of NYC and my neighbors, family and everyone lives with the US healthcare system and it's not pretty.


Thank you. If we wanted to stop those planes from hitting the World Trade blds. our air force had the capacity to do so but for some strange reason we couldn't or wouldn't.

Bull crap.. these other countries have a choice.. their leaders make the choice
just as ours does and so on.. so dont make it sound like the U.S. Put handcuffs
on them and made them go.. and FYI Terrorism has been a problem for a long time
its just that it hit home in 2001 and America said Enough! dont act like we dont come
help others cause that is a LIE... we do what we can, and maybe not all choices
are the best. neither is any other country as far as im concerned, and the U.S.
trys and has tried to stay OUT of other affairs, but because of our status, people
think we are supposed to help. I bet if we cut off all the GOVT spending to other
countries to save them and just focused on our own, people would be Bit*hing
even more about it.. either way we cant win..

more then 3000 people in one building is alot,, add that up how many people died
because one morning they decided to go to work as always and someone else
who used technology and sucide men decided that their day has ended..

had bin laden not started this whole mess, who would have a reason to go to
Afganistan? or Iraq? do you think we would bother?? first people say it was the
lack of attention with the CIA then it was inside job, then it was blah blah blah..

if it was inside job, why bother killing 3000 or more people when he could have
used 10 or less as an excuse to go rescue them from terrorism?

I laugh at that because our economy hasnt recovered since.. were still feeling
the ripple effect,, and I highly doubt so many greedy arse's in govt they would risk
the economy and their own stocks to kill 3000 people..

no it was a evil man who forced our nation to war.. and we asked for help and
no one wanted to do it because they know that these terrorist dont play with a full
deck and kill at random thats why.. its risky, so why dont people just say the truth..
but when it comes down to the nitty gritty, we know who is backing us and who isnt
and so relations are only strained because those countries feel they have betrayed
the U.S. and its easy to just point the finger and say the U.S. did it all and we are
evil.. bin laden had no business sending his goons to the states in the first place..

we would have never gone..

Do you know how much money USA spends rebuilding other countries? Wait a sec. I don't either. I will look it up though because I know it's alot. Yet if you live in the USA you can't afford health care.

Good question?


One nation under God ring any bells?

Carol

Because it was the quickest way to start the "war on terror" without inconvenient questions, for example. Why?

You can't use 10 measly little deaths to attack a country.

he didnt even go there till march 19th of 2003 .. 17 months after the planes crashed
.. when pearl harbor happened it was less then a month and we were at war..
do not tell me we went in with haste.. America was Depressed .. people wanted to
know why we waited so long , now its the harsh realization of why its so long.

This is another great thread that should be debated!! USA healthcare vs Europe.

No misgivings they couldnt wait to get involved but couldnt until pravoked..Pearharbour was meant to happen....

my point ,, so 3000 isnt enough? isnt a reason to go to another country and
and stop the killing machine. russia was there before we were and they pulled out
because the terrain is so rough, we knew this was the case. but America wanted
something done.. just as any one man would want revenge on the killer of one of their
family members.. because they took their lives..

I know I couldnt imagine losing someone I love in a building that crushed them from
plane fuel heating up and collapsing the building and no escape. its almost like
a bad memory of another horrible leader who took thousands of people and sent them
to their deaths in a gas chamber.. the methods were different, but the motive was the
same.. because they hated their so called innocent enemy.

how can you take what was always yours?

I assume your talking about Afghanistan. They sent 11000 troops to look for Binladen. There's more police men on Manhaton Island! It looks like the Taliban are making a come back in that country!