Should Poland continue to support Bush's war on terror?

Decreased forces, yes, why, because there is no point in staying out there any longer than we need to, we have put in place iraqi administration and hopefully the police will sort out the bad apples - infrastructure wise basra has 3 x the electricity it had before all this started and has better hospitals and other gov buildings that the british army have built whilst they have been out there. The iraqis do have a problem with extremist muslims who are making life hell for the every day people - this is something the people have to stand up to, either be bullied or fight back....or end up back in the same place they were with Sadam.....

geez americans make my laugh...

actually, thats a lie... they really frighten the fuk out of me

or worse....

its the only country that will let them.

they dont just sit in the caves and wait,, a good majority of the taliban were in iraq
and a good majority of them come from iraq ( born) and other arab countries..
afganistan is where their base was cause no one else wanted their crazy arses in
their country. bins kinfolks even disowned him .. before all this went down.

An interesting point here. On this day (9/11) the AAF were training against....wait for it..
AEROPLANE HYJACKINGS. So it wasn't a case that they wouldn't....More like they couldn't.

Look at the ones that got their flight trainning right here in the USA. It's so scary when human's have such a low sense of self worth. Remember they also think nothing of their own lives. Society has got to find a way to reach the ones that are this brainwashed/angry that feel they are special for killing in masses. Until we can stop this bread of hatetread it will not end. Ignoring does not seem to be the answer. We cannot find them all and kill them. How do we reach this group and come up with alternate ways of dealing with anger?

Carol

hairball-If by "making a comeback" you mean not all of them are dead then perhaps...otherwise, not really.
By the way, even the people at the Pentagon-are just people. It is not a den of hornets, with SpecOps teams running back and forth, fighters constantly circling, etc. it is a huge building full of Defense dept. bureaucrats. At any rate, I don't believe anyone ever expected that type of an attack.
LATINA-what is this fixation on Michael Moore-fwiw his film SICKO-like his other films-is glossy and pretty convincing at first-but it has been debunked. It is right that US healthcare is expensive. However, the hospital Moore's camera crews went to...knew they were coming, they cleared the area for him, and gave the patients the best possible treatment. This is not what is available for the typical Cuban, unfortunately.
Again, Mr. Moore does not actually claim these are "documentaries" thus clearing him of having to back up any of the allegations made in the film.
Much like the pre-crime bill ads by groups trying to ban "assault weapons" or "semiautomatic weapons" but which actually portrayed fully-automatic machine guns in the background. Anyone not doing their homework-would assume that these were what the legislation was referring to. This is very similar to what Michael Moore does. Show something out of context, and let people assume the truth is being portrayed....
John P.

people throughout the world consider dying for worthwhile casues a great honour - i wonder how many americans have given their lives for a cause they believe in

and rather than looking at how to deal with the anger, perhaps look at what is causing this hatred... and encouraging people to make the ultimate sacrifice, giving their own life

but when doing this, remember that these people arent the only ones that have been brainwashed

We are secretely engaged and I love him. But I do like you too JohnP even though we are on the opposite ends of the spectrum you seem like a cool guy and I like your debates. Get on the one about the healthcare system too. Love and kisses to all, Latina

Yes ,get Sicko ,but dont believe his lies about the health system in Norway. I know this system and it is not heaven as he describes it. But then again MM never was one to tell the truth.

We had McVea (not sure of spelling) Oklahoma bombing. In the USA we have suicides but for the most part they just take their own life and maybe spouse and kids. Now on the other hand we have serial killers, they seem more into rape vs. world hatetred.

Carol

This guy is an idiot and I don't believe anything he tries to bring across as the truth. He's causing conflict for money.

Good question Latino, thanks

polishforums.com/health_care_usa_messed_up_country

Carol

good point but not what i was thinking of. i was thinking more along the lines of soldiers, for example, prepared to give their life for what they are fighting for.

as someone pointed out earlier, america is probably the best equipped fighting force in the world - who can compete like for like. so how do you fight against such a force? any way you can...

I've served 4 years for my country, but I would never have given my life for it. It's too precious to die for a pointless cause.

Many soldiers in US army do not die for their country too.

This is there job. They are trainned to follow orders. It is a crime to flee, refuse to follow orders in our service.





It depends, My grandfather fought to free Poland and many times it almost took his life. It's like one US states licence plate says, "Live free or die" NH, USA.

Carol

yeah and we arent free from faults.. someone was sleeping with their eyes open

( not paying to much attention).. and yes there was screwups on the security part
look at hurricane katrina.. do you need more proof.. bushes administration , which
I am sure employs some of the same guys from Clinton's time in office didnt do a great
job the first time the trade center got bombed.. yeah we have the force and the men
but someone was stupid enough to let the guard down all the way after the first
incident .

hurricane katrina is a classic evidence that with all the technology we have, no one
used common sense to just use resources to move the people out bottom line.
no one should have stayed. the National guard should have started prior too ..

then they all passed the buck till bush said,, oh , ok its my fault. then they all
chimmed in,, me too..

Our militay want to stop terrorist that do not place a value on life. Believe me our military do not want to die. This is why they carry guns vs. strapping a bomb to there as* and running into a large group of innocent people. In fact if you have mental issues you cannot go into the military. If they see you ready to crack, so to speak, you must see a shrink. This is why you read of soldiers shooting themself in the foot, because we are ready to give our life, I don't think so, it's so they can go home. Carol

i really cannot believe you could write this in good faith.

This is just the lack of understanding that is forcing these people to strap explosive to themselves

Boy thats worked well.

why is there so much hatred towards america?

No

What was wrong with that ?

i wouldnt expect you to understand

Ah... I could say something... but no... yawn...

I don't get it?


I know, I wrote to him and he never replyed.


Carol

There's not much to "get". Just a British redneck trying to play a smart ass...

Well...in this conflict, at least 3,000.
I respect that there are those who have died for their beliefs on both sides, and even when I was there, troops on both sides fought, and died, with honor. On the other hand, I see no honor in suicide bombers who kill civilians intentionally for religious or otherwise motivated reasons, nor is there honor in the people who manipulate such people to this plan of action. I know there is honor in Iraq and many of its people, unfortunately, many of the suicide bombers-are young, perhaps Iraqi, perhaps not, and are sent by people who are usually not Iraqi- (Usually fanatical fundamentalist "clergy" from another country such as Jordan, Saudi, Yemen, Cechnya, etc who came to Iraq only to kill "Infidels") and essentially promised that *whatever* the target, the person will die a hero, be guaranteed favor in the afterlife, and his family will no longer have to struggle (often these entities promise monetary support of a bomber's family-so some perhaps even go just to keep their family fed, rather than some terrible hatred or desire to die). It is a dirty lie and a tragedy.
LATINA-that was hilarious, thanks for giving me something to grin about...
John P.

I was only following orders..... Now where did I hear that one???


This is not Shelleys quote this was my question at the start of the thread!