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JohnP
  Dec 20, 07, 14:06  #211

hairball wrote:
Why did Bush's government only spend half a million $ investigating the worst crime against it since Pearl Harbor, but $40m to find out what Monika Lewinski did with his winckle.

Wow....
Ummmm....Bush wasn't President for the Lewinski scandal, which, at any rate was a misdirection of the real treason involving back door deals made with China by Pres. Clinton.
No doubt better to be called out for infidelity rather than treason....and hence, the pro-Clinton networks went on for months about a dress...instead of technology deals.
There is a reason the new Chinese ICBMs are able to reach the US (and in the hands of Iran, all of Europe). And that reason is currently campaigning for his wife...
John P.

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superjay
  Dec 20, 07, 14:16  #212

hairball wrote:
This is not Shelleys quote this was my question at the start of the thread!

accident! sorry...i couldn't do that on purpose if i tried, honest

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Dec 20, 07, 14:20  #213

No, Poland does not need to follow American aggressive policy and doesn`t need to be close to USA when USA sunk- politically, economically and militarily. Just, close enough to avoid pressure from USA. Also, Poland can`t trust to Germany and can`t be sure in development in Russia.

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southern
  Dec 20, 07, 14:22  #214

Crow wrote:
when Poland still can`t trust


Serbs are among the few nations that have really honour,they keep their promises.

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celinski
Edited by: celinski  Dec 20, 07, 14:27  #215

JohnP wrote:
Wow....



Good old Clinton. Cigar anyone.

Keep that for future referance, want to cover up, have sperm to place on dress. LOL

Crow wrote:
No, Poland does not need to follow American aggressive policy and doesn`t need to be close to USA when USA sunk


America is not as aggressive as you say. We put up with alot of threats and attacks, Sept. 11th may have been the straw that broke the camels back.

We also have a responsability as a "super power" to help the victims of barbaric dictators. I can't get over the "hate America" club going on. I knew Britian had a hard time not being #one super power, but please.

Carol

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plk123
Edited by: plk123  Dec 20, 07, 14:33  #216

ShelleyS wrote:
how can you take what was always yours?

just because some book says so? that was arab land for centuries, not jewish.

hairball wrote:
I assume your talking about Afghanistan. They sent 11000 troops to look for Binladen. There's more police men on Manhaton Island! It looks like the Taliban are making a come back in that country!

and yet we sent 110,000 to iraq which had nothing to do with 911 or terrorists. hmm.

btw. in 1920s Britain had 400,000 soldiers there while the population of iraq was 2mil. the pop is now 20mil.. do you think we'll ever win with the military we have there?

ShelleyS wrote:
The iraqis do have a problem with extremist muslims who are making life hell for the every day people - this is something the people have to stand up to, either be bullied or fight back....or end up back in the same place they were with Sadam.....

so, the extremists are an Iraqi problem whie uncle Saddam was ours? how is that?

Shawn_H wrote:
or worse....

it is worse now then it was under his rule.. we have spilt more blood then he did..

Patrycja19 wrote:
a good majority of the taliban were in iraq
and a good majority of them come from iraq ( born) and other arab countries..
afganistan is where their base was cause no one else wanted their crazy arses in
their country.



oh please.. look into some real facts before you spew this incorrect info out there.. btw. where the heck do you get your information? FAUX NEWS? :D

taliban has it's beginnings in SA.. alqaeda is basically taliban... look into wahhabis and see where they are from.

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southern
  Dec 20, 07, 15:03  #217

plk123 wrote:
btw. in 1920s Britain had 400,000 soldiers there


Not so many.Where did you find that number?Basically they were there to take Mosul and Kirkuk from the Turks when they fought against Greeks on the western front.(you see the direct invasion through Dardanelles failed).They had also Laurence of Arabia,why should they need so many soldiers?
Do not forget these people controlled India with a huge population and many other countries all around the world and faced real problems only with Boers.It seems the americans have no colonnial experience and no ability against efficient guerilla war.English diplomacy in these cases was splendid compared to US one.

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slick77
  Dec 20, 07, 15:25  #218

southern wrote:
They had also Laurence of Arabia,why should they need so many soldiers?


did you mean Lawrence of Arabia ? lmao

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southern
  Dec 20, 07, 15:34  #219

slick77 wrote:
did you mean Lawrence of Arabia ? lmao


Yes.If you have such a person in the army,you do not need many forces to rule.

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Dec 20, 07, 15:56  #220

celinski wrote:
America is not as aggressive as you say.

you are joking with us?! Man, America is much more aggressive then i can ever say

America is lethal for all who don`t obey to her and, to Germany

celinski wrote:
We put up with alot of threats and attacks, Sept. 11th may have been the straw that broke the camels back.

My dear virtual celinski what you expect when USA officials ride with mujaheedines and terrorists. You know, that makes all Americans expendable and all non-Americans potential collateral damage.

Today`s USA looks like bad joke thanks to idiots as Clinton, Bush, etc. USA is biggest threat to democracy

celinski wrote:
We also have a responsability as a "super power" to help the victims of barbaric dictators.

MUHAAHA MUAHAH MAUHAHA HAHA

HAHAH HAHAH AHAHAH UAUAHAH UAH UAH

HAHA HAH KAH KA KAHHHAHA HAH HAHAHA

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plk123
Edited by: plk123  Dec 20, 07, 15:57  #221

BubbaWoo wrote:
This is just the lack of understanding that is forcing these people to strap explosive to themselves

on US' part, right? ;) :D

looky here VVV

JohnP wrote:
On the other hand, I see no honor in suicide bombers who kill civilians intentionally for religious or otherwise motivated reasons


you can't see the honor in it but that doesn't mean it's not there. others think differently and this is exactly the problem why USA is hated.. "we" just don't get it.

hairball wrote:
I was only following orders..... Now where did I hear that one???

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slick77
  Dec 20, 07, 16:00  #222

Crow wrote:
USA is biggest threat to democracy


I agree that US should change its foreign policy and stop policing the world but saying that US is the biggest threat to democracy is a slight exaggeration.

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plk123
  Dec 20, 07, 16:05  #223

celinski wrote:
We also have a responsability as a "super power" to help the victims of barbaric dictators.

since when? that is not the case at all.. we have no bizz messing with others' lives. NONE!!!!

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Dec 20, 07, 16:12  #224

slick77 wrote:

Crow wrote:
USA is biggest threat to democracy


I agree that US should change its foreign policy and stop policing the world but saying that US is the biggest threat to democracy is a slight exaggeration.

If we could agree that USA is currently biggest power in the world and if we can agree `that USA policing the world` there would be significant chances that we agreeing on fact that, it makes USA biggest threat to democracy.

Proofs are everywhere around us.... When some dictator play according to USA interests, he live and rule. But, if dictator play opposite to USA interests, he is obvious looser. If USA decide that some county exist as dictature, USA easily dispute pro democratic forces in targeted country and install dictator. Etc.

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plk123
  Dec 20, 07, 16:15  #225

Crow wrote:
Proofs are everywhere around us.... When some dictator play according to USA interests, he live and rule. But, if dictator play opposite by USA interests, he is obvious looser. If USA decide that some county exist as dictature, USA easily dispute pro democratic forces in targeted country and install dictator. Etc.

that was way back when.. when has US helped with a coup last? ok, i'll give you Chaves but shrubco is a douchebag.

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Crow
  Dec 20, 07, 16:21  #226

plk123 wrote:

that was way back when.. when has US helped with a coup last? ok, i'll give you Chaves but shrubco is a douchebag.

Slobodan Milošević

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celinski
  Dec 20, 07, 16:23  #227

Crow wrote:
Today`s USA looks like bad joke thanks to idiots as Clinton, Bush, etc. USA is biggest threat to democracy



It's called disrespect. Look at what Russia and Germany did in WW2. You want to talk bad joke. Hope I didn't say that to loud Russia may hear what the rest of the world knows. Russia is still a communist country, don't think so , take a look at PM ticket. Germany can't even stand up to Russia today, no they would rather blame the victim that they or should I say Nazi's attacked. Still waiting for the big guns over there to apologize. Thats right they can attack unarmed and shoot without a care in the world. Talk about a joke. Carol

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southern
  Dec 20, 07, 16:25  #228

Crow wrote:
Slobodan Milošević


You burn them my friend.This is too heavy game for sensitive stomachs.

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plk123
  Dec 20, 07, 16:31  #229

Crow wrote:
Slobodan Milošević

that's because he went after others.. killing innocent 3rd party will get you that every time. that wasn't a coup by it's definition either.

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Dec 20, 07, 16:44  #230

plk123 wrote:

Crow wrote:
Slobodan Milošević

that's because he went after others.. killing innocent 3rd party will get you that every time. that wasn't a coup by it's definition either.

wrong conclusion and wrong comment

This time I won`t disturb Admin and I won`t give him chance to send me in off topic section of forum

but, you my brate, won`t get complete information. I would leave you with that what BBC and CNN told to you. Live a little more with it. That`s your punishment :)

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lesser
Edited by: lesser  Dec 20, 07, 16:53  #231

celinski wrote:
We also have a responsability as a "super power" to help the victims of barbaric dictators.


Damn messianism caused so much harm to my country in the past that I simply cannot read such comments calmly.... The US leadership is responsible only for their own country and nothing else. Foreign dictators are not US problems if they don't cause direct threat to your country. American politicians know that very well and only naive voters could think otherwise. American diplomacy literally licks asses of many "oil rich" dictators, particularly in central Asia. Do you ever heard about Nursultan Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan, Ilham Aliyev of Azerbaijan, or this sick bastard S. Niyazov who recently passed away? Somehow I did not heard about plans of invasion, rigged elections don't upset American diplomats too much. How on earth open your eyes? Learn about them, learn about US diplomatic relations and later answer to yourself "where are these beautiful slogans of freedom and democracy?".

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isthatu
  Dec 20, 07, 16:58  #232

JohnP wrote:
And by the way, when it comes to Israel/Palestine/whatever-it DID belong to the British, unless I have my facts wrong

Yes, you do , it was a mandate territory,ie under british protection,unfortunatly jewish terrorists kept blowing up british soldiers(the same one's who'd jus liberated them from belsen etc) so "we" got out of dodge....in much the same way "you" got out of Saigon......
JohnP wrote:
Oh, and btw...America is still there...if that is what you mean by "going home with its tail between its legs". UK pulled out of Basra. US increased forces.

Yes,very observent, while the US forces took years to work out deals with local militias pay off, UK forces knew this from the start,hence the fact that the southern provinces,as you jolly well know,are now in a position to be handed over to INA and Iraqi authority. Britians forces also recognised that they were a cause of many of the terrorist attrocities,ie targets,remove the targets,remove the bombings.....Also,as an add on here,as Im sure your aware John ,the area of basra province came firmly within the grasp of US forces in GW1 (btw, French troops played a pivotol role on the left flank then) ,who unfortunatly stood by while the uprising Bush had called for among the Shia population was bruttaly crushed by Saddam,with memories of that time,is it any wonder Allied forces were not greeted with flowers?
JohnP wrote:
If by "making a mess" you mean taking down a government that was quite content making dissidents "disappear" in Soviet fashion,

Hmmm,sorry,for a minute I thought you were talking about rendition and Gitmo......
LATINA wrote:
Thank you. If we wanted to stop those planes from hitting the World Trade blds. our air force had the capacity to do so but for some strange reason we couldn't or wouldn't.

rubbish,even your precious micheal moore concides there were only 2,yes two fighter jets on aerial standby at that time.........
Patrycja19 wrote:
US has dragged countries closely associated with it into the horrific mess,


Bull crap.. these other countries have a choice.. their leaders make the choice
just as ours does and so on.. so dont make it sound like the U.S. Put handcuffs
on them and made them go.. and FYI Terrorism has been a problem for a long time
its just that it hit home in 2001 and America said Enough!

unfortunatly true,Blair was told by Bush many times,in the nicest possible way ,that British help,although appreciated wasnt needed for the "liberation" of Iraq. Blair wanted in on the glory though with fresh memories of kosovo and Seirra leonne....

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southern
  Dec 20, 07, 17:08  #233

lesser wrote:
or this sick bastard S. Niyazov


He was the only dictator in twentieth century to have a huge golden sculpture of himself in the central square while he was alive!

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celinski
  Dec 20, 07, 17:30  #234

lesser wrote:
Do you ever heard about Nursultan Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan, Ilham Aliyev of Azerbaijan, or this sick bastard S. Niyazov who recently passed away?

No no and no I will read on them.

lesser wrote:
messianism



As in?

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BubbaWoo
  Dec 20, 07, 17:36  #235

plk123 wrote:
you can't see the honor in it but that doesn't mean it's not there. others think differently and this is exactly the problem why USA is hated.. "we" just don't get it.


well said

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snoke31
  Dec 20, 07, 17:37  #236

I saw right through this guise from the beginning since 9/11. This war is all about profit for Bush. I don't think it is right for Poland to support Bush on this war on terror, for that matter no country should support Bush on his war for profit. This man has single handedly ruined the United States and the people.

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plk123
  Dec 20, 07, 18:23  #237

Crow wrote:
but, you my brate, won`t get complete information. I would leave you with that what BBC and CNN told to you. Live a little more with it. That`s your punishment :)

tell me. it's ok i can take it. i have read some of your posting relating to this and all i ever saw were some convoluted statements and blame game. so if you're willing to link me up, i surely will read it. thanks crow. :)

southern wrote:
Not so many.Where did you find that number?Basically they were there to take Mosul and Kirkuk from the Turks when they fought against Greeks on the western front.(you see the direct invasion through Dardanelles failed).They had also Laurence of Arabia,why should they need so many soldiers?
Do not forget these people controlled India with a huge population and many other countries all around the world and faced real problems only with Boers.It seems the americans have no colonnial experience and no ability against efficient guerilla war.English diplomacy in these cases was splendid compared to US one.

yes so many.. lawrence of A never set foot in irq, iirc. none the less, the brits had to do major carnage over there after the fall of the ottomans. these people never plaid nice.

where i got these numbers? i looked into it, so can you.. it's been a long while when i found historical write-ups on early iraq/late mesopotamia etc.. that's why no linky but i am sure the stuff is out there. if i come across this info again i'll PM it to you so.

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szkotja2007
  Dec 20, 07, 19:01  #238

JohnP wrote:
he only WP (White Phosphorous) used at Fallujah was to light up the sky at night or to signal enemy action

The Pentagon admitted it was used offensively against Iraqis.
URL
[i]This claim was also confirmed by members of the US military itself in the March-April 2005 issue of Field Artillery, a journal published by the US Department of Defense[/i]
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I have tried to give links which dont have pictures of victims of WP, but this primary evidence is out there in abundance.
JohnP wrote:
the US doesn't have Napalm anymore

While napalm is made from petrol and polystyrene, the gel in the mark 77 is made from kerosene and polystyrene.
URL

I guess using chemical weapons is OK as long as they are our chemical weapons?

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LATINA
  Dec 20, 07, 20:54  #239

Polson wrote:
they choose what interviews should be shown and what shouldn't. Bush has enough of the obvious facts, there is no need that TV shows sad and angry persons. They won't

We have the most censored TV news there is. The real war is not shown on TV. Bush does not want you to see, the way they torture the prisoners, the rapes of little girls and women that is going on and all the gore that entails a war. We do not see kids missing eyes, hands, half of their body missing from grenades, kids holding their guts with their hands not knowing were to go, you cannot see any of this because it has been censored and banned. They did not want to repeat what happened in Vietnam were a lot of the gore was televised and there were mass protests. YES, our United States TV "news" is all nonsense and VERY CENSORED.

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BubbaWoo
  Dec 20, 07, 21:10  #240

and some people have the gall to claim the only ones killing and injuring innocent civilians are the terrorist suicide bombers

the cheek of it

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