Should Poland continue to support Bush's war on terror?

Exactly, Thailand, NZ, Canada, just filled with them. Saudi Arabia anyone? Joking aside, it's beautiful too in parts

Saudi Arabia is full of an ignorant, hypocritical and and wasteful ruling class that ignore their poor while wiping their asses with money and breeding radicals because they have nothing better to do.

They have money and oil and that is the ONLY reason the west tolerates them.

(note I did not say all Saudis are bad...I said they idiot royals, rich people and radicals)

I just can't wait till the day that oil will no longer be the main energy source...

Tolerates? It's an ALLY of the US. I more than tolerate my friends

Friends?

If you call people who are nice to you because of money, military and power friends then ok they are friends. Don't think for a second that if the US was not useful to them they would still be "allies"....as it goes the other way.

Well, the UK is friends with the US

Because they have common history, values and cultures. An Englishman could seamlessly exist in the US and vice versa....small things like tea would be the differences.

A Saudi or American/European could not seamlessly exist in each other's culture. If you doubt this go live there for a year...

What about a Scotsman?

If you can get them to stop knifing each other long enough they would have the same problem in Saudi...

That's our system of greeting in Scotland, come on man, get with the program, lol

matthias (a pronoun for the embodiment of "to fail"), what passes through your head rhymes with "hair" and goes "whoosh" when it's windy.
no. Go back and check champ. I posed that question a loooong time ago. Now then, that is quite a number of times you've dick tucked. Re:
hey whatever floats your boat ya creep but it's "damn" imo. Re:

...ironic? You scored on yourself again. nice one champ!

Look here champ, write up your own material, don't expect me to go chase your red herrings. The question posed long ago was why Iranians revolted in the first place (i asked this somewhere around the time we established U.s. support for Sadaam and its/your tacit support for the murdering, killing, suffering and despair that followed [oh i forgot that's too dramatic for you]). Go ahead, see if you can figure that one out, what do ya think the answer is?

Regarding your claim:
Now there's little doubt that things have been rough for Iran but is that due to the revolution or is that due to what happened in the wake of revolution-US sponsored war against it? No kidding people may be prone to lament, however it's been U.s. greed and U.s. supported conflict (or interests as you call them) that have been the bane of the region not the interests of the people.

They knew then what they wanted and they know now! It was the war which laid waste to the region, a war which your government sponsored. But dumb Fcukers like you keep supporting your government in laying waste, taking control or failing that, sabatoging progress in the area. Your attempt at rationalizing this is and has been pathetic. The people there had done alright (comparatively) for centuries until foreign interests made a sh!t bed of the whole area.

Foreigner4thewin!

So, when are the Bin Ladens due round for tea and a biscuit? Gotta be Rich T's (Tossers?) as what they offer is simply not Digestive

Foreignor,

you are comedian, no???

You must be with all the hilarious posts you make.... Once again I don't care about the Iranian reason for the revolution (its was idiotic).. Like I said, it was a threat to US.... that is clear... you've been owned, move on, thank you very much.....

you mucked up basic english again.
Hence your inability to come to fair and rational conclusions as to why this current Iraqi occupation was/is not only criminal but morally reprehensible. You've simultaneously dick-tucked and danced away from this fact with the rhythm of a spastic. Bravo!

You've owned yourself through false logic, unintentional comedic irony, non-sequitors and ad hominems as i've yet to see any one do. This might be more frightening if in fact you were not under the care of your wet-nurse.

Your posts turned from off the mark rebuttles to pathetic whimperings, only consistent in offering the most feeble of thoughts. Your loud brashness has quieted and now we behold the essence of your argument, re:
You've displayed no ability whatsoever to connect the various arguments and that is why your opinion on these matters is in fact worthless.

You have Ultimately failed and I've complete faith you will go on to do so after I post this.

I trust your retorte will miss the mark again and quite frankly you haven't the capacity to comprehend what i've written to this point and have shown no potential for it in the future.

I came, I saw, I owned you-Testify!

Adieu simpleton,

Foreigner4thewin!!!

Apparently this one has been getting nastier while I've been gone....
FWIW when CIA funded mujahideen in Afghanistan, times were a little different. It is too easy to put today's clothes on yesterday's ghost, but that would not be reality. Truth is, the Soviet Union (not "Russia" as today) had invaded Afghanistan, and at the time Islamic fundamentalism was a nuisance (no one thought it would go farther than a few hijackings apparently, but my voice hadn't even changed in those days). The BIG enemy to the U.S. was the Soviet Union, and vice verse. At any given moment, either country was mere minutes from annihilating the citizens of the other from the surface of the planet, and nuclear stockpiles were starting to be measured in how many times each could destroy the PLANET, not just how many weapons they owned.
If Afghanistan had fighters willing to tangle with the Soviets and keep them off OUR backs for awhile, perhaps it's dirty fighting, but time is time. We also don't know the deals made back and forth between the groups. CIA slipped them a few stingers to help keep Soviet airpower back a notch, much as Iran and (probably through back channels) Russia supplies Al Qaeda-Iraq fighters with SA-18 Shoulder fired missiles, making life more dangerous for me personally. Nations, just as people, have to live in the here, and now, using the information we have NOW. Not the "what might happen".
I seriously doubt any of the 1980s discussions were about "helping Taliban grow strong so it could be an oppressive regime" or "letting OBL as the bankroller/founder of Al Qaeda become strong and successfully attack and kill 3,000 plus civilians, destroy several embassies, etc etc..." Honestly, and everyone this is just my opinion, but if Pres. Clinton had not pulled out troops with his tail between his legs (to hear the crying from the politicians, one would think it was THEM who risked dying, not us-) and dropped an iron fist onto the Somali warlords-9-11 would not have happened, or at least would have been much postponed, based on an interview he gave. It said essentially that when he saw Pres. Clinton pull the troops he knew that he would succeed, and in his opinion, America was a paper tiger. At the time, he was right, IMHO. Depending on who gets their ways in Washington, he may be right again.

Night folks.

John P.

Foreignor, obviously you have this sick compulsion to convince me that your right.. But unfortunately you've been owned. Move on..

By the way you can say that phrase as I said it.. If your English was any good you would have realized this.. Please learn the English language, so you can properly communicate.

I know exactly why the Iranian revolution occurred.. Its just pointless discussing it with you... You can't even admit that the Iranian revolution was a threat to the US. Before we are to move on and discuss the reasons behind it, you must stop being stupid... which obviously you are either incapable or unwilling to do...

Rumour has it that Clinton's eyeballs are a rollin due to the renewed high yields of heroin in Afghanistan. The meaning of PIRA has changed in his vocabulary to Positively I Recommend Afghanistan. Spread the peace man

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1204546406929&p agename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Some evidence that Iran was pursuing wmd's.

I keep reminding u that America has WMD's Matty. America is viewed as a rogue state by Iran so it works both ways. It has been the US that has declared war on several occasions and not the other way round. Iran is pursuing nuclear power as an alternative source of energy. U should worry more about Pakistan, they already have them and they ain't ur friend really

My bollox had dropped by this time and I remember it all quite well. I think the CIA's involvement was a little bit more than "supplying a few stingers" Johnp.

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A quote from the second url

During Reagan’s 8 years in power, the CIA secretly sent billions of dollars of military aid to the mujahedeen in Afghanistan in a US-supported jihad against the Soviet Union.

First Iran has no say in the world.... Second as for America being a rogue state....lol..Iranians don't know what rogue state means then... Thirldy so what America declared war, how many times did they use wmds in those wars. (Since ww2) of course.

Seanus please tell me you don't honestly trust Iran with nukes?




Yes we couldn't let Russia become too powerful, you can thank the US that your not speaking Russian. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Your country kept its freedom because of US help and know you critize it for its cold war tactics. You need to stop looking at the world in black and white, you're being naive.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0670868020080306

http://www.upi.com/International_Security/Emerging_Threats/Analysis/20 08/03/06/analysis_obama_wants_more_from_europe/8157/

EU big players must quit being such cowards, we can keep the status quo and continue this war for decades with no results or we can all step up to the plate and finish this once and for all.

Say what you want about the West but I have never seen a live person beheaded or a young girl stoned to death by her own family there.

Have Western military forces killed innocent people? Sure...but we don't do it on purpose and regularly. For 'them' it is a normal tactic and very much on purpose.

People can hide their heads in the sand and talk politics all day but the reality is there are people out there that want to kill you...they want your entire family to die and will even kill themselves to accomplish that. I am not a fear monger and don't advocate people live their lives as paranoid, shaking spastics but at the same time singing peace songs and protesting isn't making you safer either.

I was in Madrid on the Atocha platform....I have been in the Middle East and North Africa....nobody really 'gets it' until they see first hand.

I do think Poland's involvement puts them higher up on the 'target list' for the bad guys...it is also much closer to the middle east so pure geography isn't as much of an obstacle. However Poland does a pretty good job of profiling and keeping track of likely problem immigrants...that is one time where Poland's all white, fairly racist country works for them. Is it right in a perfect world? No...but we don't live in a perfect world.

I agree, I don't think I worded my previous statement clearly..... I meant that EU must step up to the plate in Afghanistan and increase there troop levels and take away there troop restrictions in order to defeat the Taliban.



I also agree..... But I wouldn't say racist but more like cautious.

Shot, yes; but not stoned or beheaded.

Don't be as blind as mattheass! After SIX BLOODY YEARS in Afghanistan and five in Iraq "the coalition of the willing" have failed on every account. The Afghan "government" only controls 30% of the country whilst the taliban control 10%, the other 60% is controled by "tribal factions"...in other words extremists. URL

On top of that a former SAS soldier has blown the whistle on how a

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Do I trust Iran with nukes? Yes, I do. Iran wouldn't be so stupid as to use them. America would blow them out of the water. They want to pursue their energy-based objectives. Their leader is a bit of a loose cannon but he'd stand to gain bargaining power with WMD's. America seems to be putting a big spin on Iran, trying to make them guilty b4 they do anything wrong.

As for Poland, my friend from NYC came to visit me in Gliwice yesterday. He was furious because of the audacity of installing a politically dangerous shield in Poland, yet his girlfriend from London can't get a VISA to be with him in the Big Apple. It seems like America is using Poland

Well yeah! And it works both ways. Take away US support, military equip/training and the money sent back by legal AND illegal Poles in the US...and Poland would be worse off.

Poland is also getting practice for their modern military in this war which is relatively inexperienced.

MOST countries only do what they do diplomatically for what they get out of it.

And if his Girlfriend is 'from' London she doesn't need a visa. If she is Polish living in London it's clearly not the same thing.

I also agree with that jones101. Sorry, Polish girl living in London I meant to write.

America has been very generous in giving a lot of money to Poland. American support has undoubtedly helped the position here. Did Poland request all this help?

Maybe? Who can really know.....I know a lot people here think they do, but hpw can anyone know what goes on behind the scenes?

If they didn't ask, I'm sure the US persuaded them somehow.