Should Poland continue to support Bush's war on terror?

Good point Zgubiony, we interpret according to what we are fed by various sources but the true position isn't always revealed, obviously. America, through the PNAC, is subtlely carrying out its agenda of strategic gains through putting nice labels on things and glossing it up. I find it puzzling why Europe isn't taking the 'threats' from Iran as seriously as America is, do they know sth that we don't? Or could it be that the next phase of hegemonism is ready to be activated? i.e forcing Iran to put their cards on the table more directly

It's the only way to scare the Americans and the rest of the world into thinking we need people like him to watch over the world. They try to scare us into voting for them. Already were hearing about possible terror attacks (showing the same damn terrorist training videos on the news) for the election. Rt wingers want us to think we'll be safer with them in power.

I'm sure some of this has already been said, but I don't comment too much on these issues so forgive me :)

I disagree with the above explanation...people keep thinking of Europe as one entity that works together so easily. You cannot compare the US as one country and its power to the EU and its several countries.

There is not one single country in the EU that could/would take on Iran alone but the US would (whether it has the resources now is debatable) In order for the EU to be a threat to Iran everyone would have to agree, cooperate and someone would have to be in charge...do you honestly see that happening? The EU is not the US and it is silly to compare it as such.

Try getting any group of people to work together(EU) vs one person (USA) executing a task and you will see a microcosm of what I mean.

i've said it once i'l say it again, your either 'for' or 'against' terrorism, so if you not fighting it, your fighting with it.

So lets hope the nations of the world join together to defeat this evil

Let me guess Tornado2007, u didn't say this too often b4 9/11 when terrorism was still manifesting itself around the world. It seems like u believe the powerful messages that were put out around that time and jumped on the bandwagon. My oh my, people can be so lazy, merely reacting to media frenzy. What anti-terrorist agencies were u in b4 9/11 may I ask? R u fighting it at the moment? R u writing from Iraq or Afghanistan?

good point on one hand but not complete (imho). I.e., just because some dude wears a uniform doesn't mean he isn't a terrorist. When people learn to make distinctions based not only on appearances but also on end results then we'll have moved forward on the issue.

I do not see why we must support state sponsored violence yet marginalize, nay villainize individual acts of violence. Might does not make right so one either supports killing or they don't.

Whether it be accidental or on purpose, on target or "collateral;" with a bomb, knife, grenade; on camera or off camera; via politics, blockades, sanctions or otherwise, we can't abide by the end result of some actions while condemn others if the end result is the same.

Waits for some oaf to add a but, blah, blah, blah in 5, 4, 3...

I am kind of with you but not everyone in the world is a fighter...I just wish those that are not would not try and undermine the efforts being made on their behalf. It is very easy to watch TV and believe everything you hear...from both sides. The reality is different. I know those Code Pink whackjobs would change their tune in an instant if one of their kids was tortured and beheaded or stoned to death.

If you have ever looked into the eyes of someone that truly wants to kill you and everyone you know it changes how you view things. Do I want every Arab, Afghan or Muslim in general dead? No...do I want the ones that want to hurt me and those I care about to be crushed? Hell yeah

It's all pretty simple...if people would stop trying to hurt others over nonsense like cartoons and porn none of this would be happening. If someone wants to live in a mud hut and only eat meat on Mondays fine...if someone wants to marry someone of the same sex fine...but the minute you try to push that on me there is conflict...and the minute you try to hurt me because I refuse to live as you do there is war.

If people really wanted peace they would live and let live but some people don't want peace...they want to push their beliefs on everyone else. The west is not perfect but they DO try to preserve people's right to live as they wish (within reason and without hurting others) much more than some cultures.

out of curiosity, who the heck has tried to push that on you? aren't you playing the victim here a bit? (fully willing to apoligize if people are actually trying to make you live like them)

Exactly, harm to self is one thing but harm to others is different. Irreperable harm has been done and when this sequence has been activated, there is no turning back. Look at Israel and Palestine. Oh, you killed 20 of our guys so we are gonna get our own back and do likewise. It's a self-perpetuating process. Politics will always dictate responses to terrorism and not give just treatment. Israel, IMHO, is a terroristic state and should be treated as such. All this talk of Muslims being the bogeymen is wide of the mark. Look deeper at 9/11 and u will see more Jewish involvement than formerly met the eye.

I am not a victim at all in fact I am fighting against these kind of people. I was speaking in general about the western world and the overt and pervasive attempts to force our culture to fit theirs.

The overt things are quite clear and need no rehashing.

A small example in the US that recently occurred is that Harvard enacted special times in fitness center for Muslim women only because they were offended to work out with infidels and men. The US tries to be all things to all people and this is taken advantage of by people who want to force change. These sort of small attempts to force their rules on our lives are cumulative and the sum ends up being greater than the parts.

i will reply and i'm not being ignorant but i have some tea to eat, soz brb :)

Poland must follow through on its commitments. Why the pullout of Iraq? Did the logic of fighting terror suddenly change? Everyone is entitled to a U-turn but what did the Poles accomplish that will have a lasting effect? Maybe they killed a few terrorists but now they will just come back in their droves and take the fight to these countries. Showing ur support is fine but expect a backlash in so doing.

Oops....misfire.

what you wrote previously reads like you weren't being very general at all.




take it up with Harvard.
Well take that up with your government or the lobby groups which allow that kind of thing to happen. But this is a problem you've cited within the country YOU LIVE IN. Don't go advocating war just because the political scene in your country is a mess (like everywhere else to my knowledge).

In essence the microcosmic example you've provided shows the ineffectiveness of YOUR system and how accomodating everyone simply doesn't work. Why advocate war abroad as a response to problems at home?

I'm not trying to marginalize those things because I hate that kind of political correct pandering b.s. myself, but one has to realize where problems originate from before they go off willy nilly advocating this or that or throwing wild haymakers around.

If Poland were to intensify their campaign, it could find itself in a rather large spot of bother. Hamburg in Germany is known to be the home of many terrorists, a stone's throw away from here. Spain is a common target but Poland is by no means out of range. France is a more likely target given their winding up of Iran but that's no guarantee.

Yeah it is clear you don't get it foreigner4....unless you are one of the radicals pushing their dogma on the West then it is YOUR issue too...running around wearing a shemagh around your neck as a fashion statement and ******** about the US to your mates over beer about how horrible the war is isn't exactly effective either.

Let me know when you have done anything directly about the things you complain about..if you want peace then you need to make the bad guys stop blowing themsleves up in public and attacking civilians as a normal tactic. Until then I think stopping them with any means necessary is the way to go...even if that offends you.

Nothing I do in relation to this issue is willy nilly...I am much more professional than that.

actually in the military its called an 'ND' Negligent Discharge :)


well actually yes i did say this a long time before 9/11, as you probably already know as i've mentioned it before a lot of my family have served all over the world, including places like, Ireland where in the not to distant past terrorism was on everybodies, minds and lips. So please don't accusse me of following just the things that bush is saying or jumping on the band wagon, i got on it when it started to roll not after. In reply to the are you fighting and writting from Iraq or Afghanistan well my answer is simply no as i am not able to due to not having the best eyesight in the world, they won't allow me to join and believe me i've tried about 5 times :).


who are you talking about here???


well i'm waiting for your alternative to terrorism as the situation stands???


there are always casulties in war, whether military or civi, its just a fact of life, nobody likes it but it happens. if a soldier decides to grenade to terrorists who are about to kill thousands and in the process kills one maybe two civilians then the two he/she has just killed did not die in vain but to save the lives of thousands of other innocents. Sometiems its not who dies but how many can be saved. Its harsh but thats the reality.


yes exactly, you may not agree with the violence but you have to support our troops and your own troops in whatever they are doing. As for an individuals family been put at risk, i.e being beheaded nobody is going to sit back and say, well lets just leave it at that shall we and forget all the violence. The simple fact is the terrorists aren't going to sit at the table of negotiation, they have nothing to negotiate for.


i agree with those sentiments fully


i got one word for you that is the problem there and its not culture but 'RELIGION' the scurge of the world!!!

I'm sorry, I've just noticed the irony of this statement. Jeezuz H Ka-riste, do you have any idea how imbalanced that is? Can you say McDonald's Tesco Nike and GAP sweat shops, hey, tell me how Indonesia has been doing since Sudharta (formerly sponsored by western powers) was deposed.

It's really sad that so many people with such strong opinions about their "other" or their enemy have no idea why they are in fact enemies.

There is sh!t loads of blame to go around but someone's been pullin the strings as, generally, poor a$$ nations don't go starting wars with powerful nations. I am no history buff but I can't think of too many times where this has happened and even fewere where it worked out. Gee, d'ya think there might be something more to this whole thing than us thinking our sh!t don't stink?


wtf do you think i'm talking about???
get the fk out, leave the people alone, close the f'n bases, ensure your government ceases overt and covert ops in their country, stop trying to control their resources, stop supporting oppresive governmentst there-hey work on doing that at home and tell me how the reaction goes.
well isn't that easy for you to type huh? Do you think it's just as easy for people to deal with when it happens close to home?
Wow such a realistic situation you proposed there-nothing else but your hero's last grenade to save the day eh? Is that from a Rambo scene or is this just your imagination gone wild? (i'm willing to retract that if i can if you can provide an example of that situation)

Why does your imaginary soldier get to use violence legitimately but not the guy who isn't wearing a uniform? Your protagonist kills innocents and you think him a hero, why the double standard?

Aha, so u were interested in terrorism b4 9/11, fair enough. As u probably know too, I did my dissertation on it in 1999. Did u read that article written by the Zionist Zakheim? He knew the need for a 9/11 type event and wrote about it one year b4 the catastrophic event. It's rather convenient that the Jewish population has a large control of the media in America. They can spread all sorts of BS that Muslims are the scum of the earth but their crimes are neatly covered up.

One more thing, America has neglected to adequately address the Turkish involvement in 9/11. They too house radical Islamists and should be taken seriously. They are not ur true allies

Why don't we let everybody have an atom bomb... Not to worry America will just blow them up if they use them. Great logic.... and once again you seem to expect America to have to deal with the mess... Such a European thing to do...


I 100% agree.


I 100% agree



First many countries have bases in other countries, wheres your criticism of them, We have AGREEMENTS with the leaders of these countries for the bases, and not with some towelhead hiding in a cave. Now my muslim friend, fu*k off and blow yourself up.

Yeah because opening a Tesco and blowing up 3000 people is the same thing...good try loser.

ok then johnny foreigner lets use your way, there is a problem, so we will step back and let it festa. Great idea clever clogs :)

and how did that problem come to be? Now let me continue laughing at your lil g.i. joe scenario.

Y'know I try to be straightforward and respectful at the same time, but it's always you cnuts that resort to insults as soon as you're hit with logic that hurts to accept, so you try to drag it all down. I p!ss on you.

Hey get with the program fcuk face! You wrote about imposing culture on people not me so don't play the 911 card just yet, ok sport (gawd that is such a cnut move and not even a good one)? If you want to compare violence to violence then do so but don't cherry pick arguments and only apply them to how you want the reality of the whole situation to look. try again boyscout.

Feckin hell you guys are a broken record, you think yer shite don't stink, yer gov't screws up at home and abroad and all somebody has to do is blame some people (who have also been f'd over by your government) and yer all on board. Then you repeat your mantra verbatum and simply turn a blind eye to sound logic and reasoning cause none of you can stomach even the thought that your side isn't right. 0 personal accountability is the name of your f'n game.

Soldiers don't target civilians, its the cowardly terrorists who use there fellow people as human shields. On the otherhand the terrorists target civilians on purpose. What double standard? You clearly don't know what that means.


It was scenario and he tried to dumb it down for you because you don't have the intelligence to grasp the differance between the terrorists and real soldiers.

learn to read ya dumb cnut!

No you don't....this is the internet. I am nearly 1.92cm tall, weigh 110kg, am normally armed and with others who are big, mean and armed as well. I don't think you would try it in real life chump.

I read it, once again I repeat we don't target the civilians we target the terrorists who hide among the civilians and once again the terrorists target civilians regardless if there's American soldiers or not in sight. You dumbas*, what's so hard to understand.

Listen you are not going to get 52 virgians in heaven....... deal with it.....

don't play that card, about they reacted to us invading, i think us embassy's were being bombed before then don't you, hhhhmmm and i remember a little incident at the trade centre way back in the day :)


no you don't p*ss on me as you put it, you just try and steemroller your way through which dosen't work, you don't have the right words to express yourself either having to resort to words like cnut and p!ss. You obviously don't know how to hold a discussion without getting offensive :)

gee why would they do that? no f'n reason right? just had nothing else to do?

look cnut i was being respectful until you dropped the insult, so once again, i p!ss on you for that. This falls in line with how you guys think though, it's all fine and dandy if your side does it but you cry foul like lil girls when you get the same thing back. I can go back to being respectul and straightforward with you but i have a difficult time extending respect when none is given in return.

thanks for the stats tough guy but if you want to go enter a body building contest then go ahead, but this is a p!ssing contest and I win.


a-ha this comes from the typical twat living in mom's basement, because i disagree with you, then i msut be a muslim, fek you're a stupid cnut. Once again learn to read:


no i don't and yes it doesn't work, precisely what you did when you quoted my whole response and only tried to offer some lame charicature of it, try again sport.

You do know saying "I win" doesn't make it real right? What exactly do you think you have won? Because I can tell you no matter what you say I am gonna keep on doing what I think is right.

I don't go around trying to intimidate people with my size, in fact I am a very calm and professional person, I was just pointing out that if we were standing face to face and you were accountable for your words you would not dare say such things unless you are just mental. Any coward can blow off online about all manner of things...as you have shown us all.