Should Poland continue to support Bush's war on terror?

deflecting the point there a bit aren't you, you were suggesting that the terrorism started after America and the UK went into and invaded these foreign lands, when you know that is not true :)


another example of your english skills :) if your going to have a discussion at least do it in a civil way. Dropped the insult, what was that??? you don't p!s on anybody because you can't construct nothing without swearing or attacking somebody personally :)


why pick out little parts of your post when the whole lot is a mess :) come again johnny foreigner. On a more serious note, where are you from?? i mean it would help me a lot if i knew your nationality, religion etc, i can make assumptions but wouldn't like to

End result is not the same. America want's to establish a democracy were all people in Iraq have a voice and the terrorists want to establish a state ruled by the Koran where people who disagree are beheaded, stoned or burned to death. Does that look like the same end result? you sure are a smart one....

i'm sure you are but like i said i was being respectful until you dropped the insult so again, please, pretty please, spare me the gentle jim.

again, you chose to be disrespectful but then demand respect in return? your words are just as likely to carry retribution on this two way street.
But that doesn't mean you are right as you have attested to.
even you have agreed that saying or thinking it doesn't make it so.




as we've established already, the welfare of the iraqi people has never been an issue for U.s. foreign policy otherwise they wouldn't have supported Sadaam in the first place. And the ba ath party, and the war, and impose the sanctions that hurt the people and strengthened sadaam's power.
When did I say I was proud of my nationality? I don't affix my worth to a nationality that is simply beneathe me full stop. Go back to draping yourself in your flag and imagining the people who run the shop actually know your names.

deflecting? no. But thanks for agreeing that they invaded those lands, now affix a time period to that and we have something constructive to work with.

You asked me about nukes Matty and I gave u my opinion. I didn't advocate that every country get one, nor did I insinuate it. There are many countries that have them that are more likely to use them than Iran, namely India, Pakistan, Israel, America and Russia. Iran doesn't want to be trodden on. It has stated several times that it wishes to pursue alternative sources of energy, as it is entitled to do. America is just trying to create fear amongst their citizens and exagerrate a danger that is minimal at most.

A bomb from Iran could destroy part of America for sure but my point was that having a nuclear weapon is a deterrent in itself. Iran knows full well that by firing off a weapon, they'd be obliterated off the face of the earth. America also has intercept technology for certain weapons as JohnP mentioned. America is sitting pretty. Don't victimise Iran for things they haven't done. I agree that monitoring should continue to take place to ensure that they are not pursuing sinister objectives but tone it down a little bit.

Are you kidding me? Retribution on the internet? There is not a single thing you can do here other than mouth off. If you think you can somehow 'win' online you are pathetic.

I take pleasure in the fact that no matter what people like you blather on about online when the workday starts I get to DO something to support my convictions not just talk about it online like you. I'll make sure to tell the bad guys you object to that before we ruin their day.

Ummm, what's to stop other countries from wanting one if Iran is allowed to have one?



I wouldn't say more likely but just as likely.. We should prevent more countries from joining this list and in the process try to get these countries who already have them to reduce there stockpiles or get rid of them all together. We can't allow Iran to have one, it would open up panadora's box.



Yes, if it follows the rules, there's proof Iran was pursuing wmd's till 2003. Does that sound like a alternative energy source to you.



First, once again they were pursuing wmd's till 2003, sounds pretty sinister to me, also its difficult to trust a nation that adovacates the destruction of another.




We are helping to rebuild Iraq because we don't care about the Iraqi people at all. Great logic.... Sure we have other interests but the safety of Iraqis is on the list. I explained it to you already, Iran was a bigger threat than Saddam at the time. So as much as we wanted to help Iraqi people we had to look at the bigger picture.



Same should go for religion but yet you manage to defend the terrorists.

exactly!
well then go back to posting your useless measurements?!??!

Look mate, you brought up the subject of "if" we were face to face, and my response was that when you are face to face to withpeople that the price of dropping insults works both ways. tit for tat

I couldn't give a rat's arse about your convictions but if you come onto a message board and jump on heated and contentious political and moral topic then cry me f'n river if someone disagrees with your 1-dimensional "Amurkha-We think we're right so everyone should agree!" B.S.

dude your 5 foot 4, I don't think Jones has much to worry about.



No one's crying, just pointing out stupidity... Comparing US soldiers to terrorists just proves my point.

guys just leave him, he hasn't even replied to everybody, i mean apart from that its just some sort of abuse, he's not clever, he's not cool and he's no talking about retribution over the internet :) give me a break

You know what, your right...... he's not worth my time.... it's like talking to a brick wall...

Yeah far be it from me to try and push someone around for kicks but the internet makes people a bit 'braver' than they really are. I simply made the point that few people would try and "**** on you" in real life because they would get their face beat in.

While I am a big guy (fortune of genetics only) and can take care of myself in most situations (training and experience) I am acutely aware that it only takes one bullet, bomb or accident to ruin things for me. I think foreigner4 has some serious self worth issues and it blurring the understanding between his status as 'internet badass' and real life badass.

Get it all out here buddy...we can be your virtual punching bag if the World of Warcraft chat rooms are down.

Then why wasn't 'strict' action taken against them Matty? Why doesn't America get rid of theirs then, like South Africa did? It hasn't been active since 2003 so why the sudden raising of the stakes? It has been in conformance since that time. Is America gonna pull another Iraq and go to war anyway, trying to establish a correlation later? Other countries haven't followed the lead of those who have them. It's a bit paranoid to assume that Pandora's box will be opened, it's all part of America's scare tactics. I don't want to name call here but I must say that u have naively bought into the American presses views and amplification of threats approach. Don't believe everything u read

On that point, i learned something about fighting and honour and all that rubbish the day i was bottled from behind while i was fighting with another bloke.

Since that day honour and fighting fair have gone out the window for me, now i understand what my dad said, 'fighting is not about hnour and being the man, its simply about winning the fight anyway you can'

I would have no hesitation now in a fight to win anyway i can, putting my foot through somebodies knee cap, poking in the eyes, grabbing balls, using a brick if i have to. I don't care how big people are we all bleed and thats what counts.

If our an 11 stone man fighting a 17 stone giant your not going to go toe to toe are you, if you disable him by snapping his leg nearly in half then thats it its all over no fists of fury and you get out of there alive, thats my motto no-a-days after my experiences of trying to fight fair!!

sorry its a bit of topic but related to the previous post

Yeah I agree that there is no such thing as a fair fight. It is said if you find yourself in one then you haven't planned correctly. If it comes to physical violence the objective is to make it so the other guy can't hurt you or anyone else.

I would still prefer size and strength on my side all things being equal. Just the intimidation factor or towering over someone gives you an advantage. My nuts are as fragile as the tiny guy...I just have a better chance of keeping them protected....

Anyway...I get so sick of internet tough guys. I guess being bored at home for a time has lowered my resistance to ignoring them.

gee got me there


uhh dude, i've actually fought in full contact fights here in Poland and again, i was being straightforward and trying to be respectable with you from the get go. You chose to mud sling, i obliged.
thanks for giving up, but do yourself a favour and actually give some thought to the "other side of the coin" before you go back to doing whatever it is you do.
No. Just because I disagree with you doesn't equate embracing everything you argue against. I completely disagree with your point of view but I extend not advocating against "terrorism" to state sponsored violence as well. That is THE biggest problem with most Americans, so f'n polarized, absolutely no inclination for weighing the situation from any perspective other than their own bearing.

Try to imagine being poor as dirt with no prospects-ever. Now include having foreign companies come in and take control of your resources or have foreign governments prop up dictators in your homeland. Now try to imagine how you might feel in that situation.

It's easy for you to ignore all the history of the area because you (and I thankfully) haven't had to deal with it all our lives and our children's lives too. It's sooo easy for you guys to judge the "other" that the media feeds up rather than take a deeper look at the problems and where and how they started and if the effects of the contributing problems are still being felt.

Nah, to heck with that, those people are dirty and uneducated (as portrayed on the media) so they must be bad or they must be unpeople or something. They don't like what your nation stands for and you identify with your nation, so end result is you are polarized against all the unpeople of the middle east without even giving it a second thought.

I'm clearly wasting my time with you people. The ironic thing is that the people who form American foreign policy (the policies you've all vocally supported) and other interventionist activities don't respect the lives of anyone in the countries affected. And if they don't respect the lives of those people, what on earth gives you the inclination they or their heirs will respect your lives or the lives of your children?

>>>>>>>> (Smiles)

I agree with this Foreigner4, many Americans still like this divide and conquer approach, it's rooted in their mentality to global issues and business. They have such a poor opinion of those from the Middle East. The only reason they side with countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan is that they pretty much have to. The Saudis for oil and Pakistan for a strategic foothold. Iraq, well, just read any PNAC document to see why that happened. Rebuilding Iraq my foot, when Iraq has been 'done up', it will be a prime location for America to stay and control the natural resources. History has shown us that the countries rich in natural resources get trampled on by the big guns. Exploitation if rife!! They bullied the UN into getting a mandate, with British support. The funny thing is, Russia is doing well on the oil front without invading Iraq.

These neo-cons don't give a hoot for the lives of innocent Iraqis. Halliburton was in there like a shot, profiteering from others misery. Try waking up to the Zionists who control u. Sharon laughed his ass off at America, claiming that Israel controls America and the govt panders to them. Hardliners from Israel call many of the shots. The super financiers back them to the hilt. If Iran had a nuclear weapon, it'd redress the balance in the region. Israel has one so why not Iran? Be fair!!

First, what did you suggest America coming out of ww2 going to war with Russia to stop them from producing weapons. America was not ready for another war. Not mention no one predicted that each country would build an aresanal of 2000 warheads. Differant times back then. As for India and Pakistan they developed there weapons during the cold war when US was preoccupied with Russia. US couldnt risk going to war with those two countries and have Russia step in (once again differant times back then). As for Israel, um during the arab-israeli war countless arab nations declared war on Israel with the intention of destroying the whole country. With the intention of killing every Jew. So America turned a blind eye to the actions of Israel and let them build a nuke.



lol, what's so paraniod about it. If Iran has builds 3, then Israel will build 3 more. If Israel builds 3 more than Syria will want to build there own. and so on.... it's logical.



lmao......... both your thinking is black and white... I thought the same when I attended high school but then I grew up....

Whatever you say comic book avatar guy!


Agreed, that's the frustrating part. Should you, I, or whoever disagree and do something as crazy as apply the laws of universality to the situation then the whatever mantra-media-buzzword-label gets put on you.
SOOOO true, and a lot of westerners don't mind cause they see themselves as sharing in the spoils. But what they don't see is what a precarious position it puts future generations in.

As for your info about financing, I can't agree or disagree as I simply haven't invested the time to finding readable sources. But it's no secret that it ain't the soldiers and it ain't the widows who profit from war. There was a book entitled (paraphrased) The 10 Most Under-Reported Stories This Year that I leafed through, War Profiteering was up there!

I meant strict action taken against Iran for toying with the idea of WMD's. Why wasn't it taken? Aha, u allowed Israel to build them for self defence reasons, right? Why can't Iran claim the same? Israel has hardly been bum buddies with them, agreed? There were good reasons why those Arab countries declared war on Israel. Also, Iran is not Arabic, just Muslim, so they can't be classed in that bracket.

U r talking about hypotheticals Matty. If an escalation of conflict is to be, then it is to be. It just shows a failure of diplomacy. The peace process is, YET AGAIN, on a weaker footing because of Palestinian retaliation for a brutal Israeli attack. There isn't sufficient dedication to achieving peace. If Syria wants to become like the US and have a weapon then that is there choice. Proliferation is far from likely tho

Join those on the ground doing reconstruction and providing medical care and see if you feel the same way. The good people in these countries seem to understand we are not bad people.


When you have fought for your life against people trying to kill you rather than score points in some 'contest' with pads get back to me.

good one..... it's just an avatar..... grow up



um, I don't recall any countries adocating the destruction of every Iranian.... refresh my memory...

Why would I walk into a hostile environment when I advocate getting out of it? Secondly my g/f would not be amused with my decision and i've every intention of being with her as long as life will grant me.

But that is not the point, you must understand that I am not saying all the people in bad-guy land would or should welcome a foreigner4. I would expect them not to because to them I probably would represent "the enemy." I advocate respecting that and figuring out why one is seen that way and offer precious few reasons to justify that impression.

But ok, let's play hunt and past and see what I can find from your posts:

Dude this is sooo, not the point but I never claimed to have been in that situation. It's been you who has brought this up, you made the accusation and the assumption, believe what you want. If you really want to pursue this topic then it can be done elsewhere, but if not then try to let it go. One way or the other, it really doesn't matter.

What does that quote have to do with this? It was in reply to people talking about not helping a needy family member if I recall correctly.

Do not take things out of context...it is a lame tactic.



Because maybe THEN you would have an idea what you are talking about. If you haven't been you don't really know what it is like and what is happening.

Your right not everybody can be as brave as the soldiers fighting in Iraq. All the soldiers have families, however they are willing to sacrafice for their country.



why, because your not muslim, that's why.....

that is exactly what you did is it not?
False. I don't have to know exactly what is going on in every detail in Kenya to know I don't want to be there. We can take that same reasoning and say that because your leaders aren't in Iraq and aren't living in camps and helping to rebuild the infrastructure that they too don't really know what is happening. If you're not typing this from all the areas all over Iraq right now then you too don't know what's happening right now.

Look mate, if we are talking politics then you'll have to forgive me for not having travelled and volunteered in every potentially hostile or anti-western country yet still maintain the opinion that intervention in the affairs of other nations is something I'm against.

Scare tactics employed Matty, u should be familiar with them by now. Want some info on Israel, I have loads of it, youtube.com/watch?v=0TKtZj5UaJ8&feature=related, this should open some eyes.

What's up with the youtube clips, you need to learn how to develop your own opinion without others spoonfeeding you the information. However I will take a look and get back to you..

First the images are horrible... However a little one sided dont you think?

I would like to here the quotes from immams linked to Hamas.

Do you think there would be any Palastinians deaths, if Palastians stopped committing terrorist attacks?

Also once we deal with the terrorists then we can deal with Israel.... One problem at a time.

Be against whatever you choose foreigner I am simply pointing out that the reasons you give for being against it are founded on misinformation and untruths.

Most people who are so emotional about these issues have never had any direct involvement and do not actually know as much as they think they do.

Things are different on the ground I can promise you. But clearly you have chosen to oppose something based on news reports and suppositions.

Regardless of what you think I will continue to happily f@#k up those people you seem to think are not such bad guys so people I care about don't ever have to find out how untrue that is.

Cheers.

I have to learn to develop my own opinions? Where do u get urs from then, heavenly prayer? I was awarded a scholarship for postgraduate study, based on my ability to research widely and present cogent arguments. I did well in my postgrad too. I was described by one of my profs as one of the most original thinkers he had come across. No word of a lie. So, because I choose Youtube sources without 101 other sources doesn't count against me. It serves a purpose. Americans are some of the most spoonfed people on the planet. Sorry to inform u, but information comes from sources.

I also happen to believe that too many gullible people believe the shi**y press that they read and this worsens the conflicts. Sorry Matty, but it was u urself who described my tack as being reasoned. It's late and I have to work early tomorrow, hence the lack of thesis style reasoning that I employed years ago at Uni.