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Should Poland continue to support Bush's war on terror?


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Seanus
  Mar 12, 08, 18:00  #2281

What?


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matthias
  Mar 12, 08, 18:00  #2282

Seanus wrote:
Hamas are not cowards, are they to be squashed and trodden on?


If you don't consider targeting innocent people on purpose cowardly, than I guess your right. Also I already said if they want to fight that's fine as long as they target the IDF and not Israeli civilians.

Seanus wrote:
How would u feel if u were misplaced from ur home and then sb arms the other side to maintain that status quo?


Ummmmmm, I sure would't kill innocent children to get my house back. Would U?

Seanus wrote:
Would u like to see ur parents die in this way? Tell me u wouldn't get angry if they were murdered.


No I wouldn't. But if terrorists used my parents as human shield, I think it's clear at who my anger would be directed.

Seanus wrote:
Is it any surprise that Iranians are angry when u c such videos?


If they are they should be just as angry at terrorists for attacking innocent Israeli civilians. Unless there a bunch of hypocrites.


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tornado2007
  Mar 12, 08, 18:03  #2283

Seanus wrote:

youtube.com/watch?v=aIElY7RtY4A, Israeli terrorism, this is brutal.

Hamas are not cowards, are they to be squashed and trodden on? They haven't done well politically for years so they resort to such tactics. How would u feel if u were misplaced from ur home and then sb arms the other side to maintain that status quo?

youtube.com/watch?v=k-lsiqGHypI&NR=1, it's appalling what they do. Would u like to see ur parents die in this way? Tell me u wouldn't get angry if they were murdered.

youtube.com/watch?v=MwoorLwTR28&feature=related, it's like they are trying to redress the Holocaust. Is it any surprise that Iranians are angry when u c such videos?

i would never feel sorry for any government or organisation that is either linked to terrorists or a group itself. They deserve all they get, Karma always bites you in the ass


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Seanus
  Mar 12, 08, 18:05  #2284

So, u don't feel sorry for the US? They are linked to terrorists.


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FISZ
Edited by: FISZ  Mar 12, 08, 18:10  #2285

I think they're both wrong. Too many innocent people on both sides are suffering. It's inhumane what some are going through. They need to stop pointing fingers at who is or isn't firing rockets and give it a rest. People need to stop focussing on who the terrorists are or who the opressers are and help the innocent people in the middle. It's a pathetic flexing contest and not a situation that anyone should condone ....either side.


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Seanus
  Mar 12, 08, 18:12  #2286

Exactly FISZ, the conflict will never be resolved if we keep thinking otherwise


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 12, 08, 18:15  #2287



This might explain the high Palastinian civilian death toll....... If the terrorists stop using human shields it might help...


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FISZ
  Mar 12, 08, 18:16  #2288

The problem is, someone wants the "last word".


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Seanus
  Mar 12, 08, 18:19  #2289

The international community imposes sanctions and other less than effective measures. It's time to stop the rhetoric and impose a solution once and for all, no more should we see politicians profiteering for achieving feck all. Bush's last visit was about as successful as a one-legged man in an arse kicking contest.


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 12, 08, 18:30  #2290

Seanus wrote:
Bush's last visit was about as successful as a one-legged man in an arse kicking contest.


Maybe, but at least he's trying... He has done more than any European leader to solve the problem.....


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FISZ
  Mar 12, 08, 18:32  #2291

It was for show. He's up Israels behind IMO.


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Seanus
  Mar 12, 08, 18:33  #2292

HOW exactly?


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 12, 08, 18:43  #2293

By actually getting the parties together to negotiate. By being fairly impartial.... He's a little on the Israeli side however he has been critical of Israeli actions. He has done alot to get an agreement from both parties. If were lucky before he leaves office... doubt it but at least he's trying

What have the Europeans done???????.... I know there usuall stance..... they don't get involved in other countries affairs.... It's just an excuse because they only care about what happens in their own country.......


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 12, 08, 21:00  #2294

There's a great Asian parable about a group of blind men who stumble upon an unknown creature. Not knowing what they have encountered, the men argue for days as each describes a tusk, a tail, a foot, or a trunk -- until they finally realize they are all touching different parts of an elephant. One could make an analogy to news reports about the U.S war on terror -- they're all trying to describe pieces of a larger picture.

This parable is for those who are unable to look at the larger picture. It's easy to critize the US because of this or that we might not approve of it, however it doesn't mean that in terms of the larger picture the US isn't right...


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Seanus
  Mar 13, 08, 07:02  #2295

Well, Saddam is out of the way so that is good. I guess it had to be this way. U take Saddam out and u must fill a void. However, certain commentators are of the belief that the US administration has no plans to leave Iraq. Provisional estimates say that 2010 would be a timely withdrawal. A permanent occupation will be determined by a Democratic candidate so matters will be decided through extensive use of embassies and consulates etc.

http://www.slate.com/id/2127576, this should return things to the thread as it is very much a topical issue given Canada's recent lifting of the VISA requirement.


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matthias
  Mar 13, 08, 09:40  #2296

Seanus wrote:
certain commentators are of the belief that the US administration has no plans to leave Iraq.


I understand how this might look in the arab world especialy the majority who scrabble to make a descent living to provide food for their familites and don't have time to scower the internet. It's easy to take advantage of these people and demonize the US. Who are they going to believe some foreignors from the US or there muslims peers. To those who have the time to be informed, its clear this is not the case.


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Seanus
  Mar 13, 08, 15:54  #2297

http://www.meforum.org/article/703, a very good read

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4344136.stm, dunno if this is true but bad if it is

http://c21.maxwell.af.mil/iraq.htm#war, a key source for any aspiring expert

Wow, I'm filled with views this evening. Been so tired lately to even think, never mind constructively.


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 13, 08, 23:01  #2298

Young Iranians, once avid reformers, leave politics behind

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0314/p01s01-wome.html?page=2

Article that describes how the youth of Iran want change but are giving up because they
feel they can't influence the politcal establishment...


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Seanus
  Mar 14, 08, 10:44  #2299

This is an area of growing concern for many young Iranians. Not being able to craft the political process in any shape or form is symptomatic of the times there. You would've thought that their leader would have learned from the lesson of Saddam, lest he meet a similar fate.

When I lived with Aussies a few years ago, they told me that they had left OZ because of the then leader John Howard. They told me how he botched up numerous things in their country. However, at least they had certain freedoms like alcohol consumption. The Iranian leader seems to be a bit heavy-handed and authoritarian.

Anyway, must go, should be back later, thx 4 the article Matty, it was a good read


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matthias
  Mar 14, 08, 13:40  #2300

Seanus wrote:
This is an area of growing concern for many young Iranians. Not being able to craft the political process in any shape or form is symptomatic of the times there. You would've thought that their leader would have learned from the lesson of Saddam, lest he meet a similar fate.


Seanus I would wish that this would happen but the chances are unlikely.... The political will for war with Iran has unfortunately disappeared. Iranians must do this on there own... But anyways you already know where I stand on this issue...

Seanus wrote:
Anyway, must go, should be back later, thx 4 the article Matty, it was a good read


No problem, least I could do for that Maxwell site.....


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Seanus
  Mar 15, 08, 09:59  #2301

It was interesting that he was invited to America last year to deliver a series of speeches. He was quite well received but he was highly selective with his choice of words. He was quite simply selling himself to his audience. What's even more interesting is how he was escorted under tight security by America. It is strange that he was afforded such protection but maybe that was because America wanted to show him courtesy and concern for his wellbeing.

There is a nice Iranian on this site whom I have the possibility of writing PM's to. She would know the position better and she was in Tehran not so long ago. She could contribute sth


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matthias
  Mar 15, 08, 15:58  #2302

Seanus wrote:
It was interesting that he was invited to America last year to deliver a series of speeches. He was quite well received but he was highly selective with his choice of words.


He was recieved okey, there was some sort of diplomatic row after it. I think he felt disrepected when people laughed at him when he said there are no gays in Iran...

Seanus wrote:
What's even more interesting is how he was escorted under tight security by America. It is strange that he was afforded such protection but maybe that was because America wanted to show him courtesy and concern for his wellbeing.


We don't care about his well being.... However it would make America look bad if a Presidant of another country was killed on our soil and it was because we didn't protect him. I could just imagine the conspiracy theories coming out of this.


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Seanus
  Mar 15, 08, 16:02  #2303

No gays in Iran, hehehe, who was he trying to kid? He was first among them.


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matthias
  Mar 15, 08, 16:06  #2304

Seanus wrote:
No gays in Iran, hehehe, who was he trying to kid? He was first among them.


lmao, did you see that youtube video.........


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Seanus
  Mar 15, 08, 16:08  #2305

Probably, which one?


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matthias
  Mar 15, 08, 16:10  #2306

I posted in couple days ago on this thread about how the Presidant like's gay sex....... It was obviously a joke but it was hilarous as h*ll...


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Seanus
  Mar 15, 08, 16:17  #2307

The President of Iran declares his fudge packing status. Did Bush escort him up the Herschey highway?


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matthias
  Mar 15, 08, 16:19  #2308

Seanus wrote:
The President of Iran declares his fudge packing status. Did Bush escort him up the Herschey highway?


lol, I don't think they fudge pack in the same circles.....


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Seanus
  Mar 15, 08, 16:23  #2309

Those weirdy beardies!! He declared a war on anal terror but secretly sponsored it, it sounds familiar, standard politician behaviour


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 15, 08, 16:27  #2310

Seanus wrote:
Those weirdy beardies!! He declared a war on anal terror but secretly sponsored it, it sounds familiar, standard politician behaviour


lol, "anal terror"........ we must stand up and protect our _________ <----(noun)

On a more serious note......

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/world/middleeast/16iran.html?ref=wor ld

It looks like nothing is going to change in Iran...... At least not significantly......


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