Should Poland continue to support Bush's war on terror?

Ahh...but you were insinuating these were used offensively at Fallujah. Which they were not, and neither does the Dept. of State say so, either. Incendiaries are not against laws of war, incidentally, and if you think there is a *nice* way to die in a war, or to kill in one...I feel you are mistaken.


Well....technically, modern "Napalm" isn't...but I won't bore you with the chemistry of it all. The Napalm-B(I think) you refer to actually replaced "true" Napalm, a powder consisting of an aluminum soap of NAPthenic and Palmitic acids...and is supposedly much safer, more difficult to ignite-than original Napalm. Gelled Kerosene incendiaries still kill (it IS war after all) but burn slower, unlike the older Gasoline(benzine) based (Napalm)versions, which would create so much carbon monoxide so fast that victims would rapidly pass out first from the CO then burn.
Regardless, incendiaries are not considered "chemical weapons" by any nation on the planet, even our enemies...your hair shampoo is probably closer to a "chemical weapon" than any of the above.
Believe it or not some nerve gas was "discovered" through experimentation with bug poisons....
Hello again LATINA...if you know your countrymen (me?? your neighbor??) are doing these things and have enough proof they are being done by Americans-it is your responsibility as a citizen to take this evidence to the authorities. Rape is illegal everywhere for Americans, and while we might tangle over what gets passed as "torture" these days, it too is illegal. If you know of this ACTUALLY happening, it is your duty as a citizen to report it to the authorities. In fact, by just making these vague accusations on a public forum without contacting the police first you are an accessory to rape as well as torture...but if you DON'T know this is really happening, and just want to say something bad about people like me...then please, at least say something that's true...I do have my faults. Rape, torture, and murder are not among them, nor did I see it over there. If anything, there is MORE discipline in the ranks of the military than the civilian side, not less...so next time you hear somebody say these things...ask them for proof. If you see footage of a child injured by an explosion-are you sure the child is in Iraq? Was the child injured by an IED? (Americans don't use these...) for that matter, do you even know the child was hurt by Americans?
No, probably not.
Because just like if someone in your neighborhood hurt a child and you knew about it, such things are dealt with VERY harshly. Same goes for us. Just putting a uniform on, or carrying a weapon, does not inherently make us suddenly psychotic misfits anxious to kill. Those people do not even pass the psychological screening to get in for the most part....
Nobody likes the imagery you mention; however, whoever told you these things are some sort of norm fed you a big, steaming pile of it. There isn't so much coverage now but it has little to do with censorship.
John P.

I"m not going to quote anyone here ( it would take too long). All I want to say is that in general before you guys criticize us you should take a look at yourself. I can't accept being criticized by any Brits, Serbs or Poles.
Reason #1
The Brits were #1 invaders for centuries. You guys invaded, robbed and murdered and now you're trying to make us look bad. Sure it feels better to blame than to be blamed.

Reason#2
The Serbs brutally killed thousands of innocent people in Bosnia (and not only) and now you dare to talk shit about us.

Reason#3
The Poles (some of you on this forum) blame America for the outcome of the WW2.
You seem to forget who left you alone when you needed help back in 1939. OK, I understand you're pissed off about that visa crap but then again in many cases, you should blame thousands of Poles who illegally overstayed in the US.

Do me a favor and save your energy replying to my post. I already know your point and how much you hate us. Many of you say that the Americans are arrogant, then again, think what would be your reaction if someone was constantly insulting your folk and country.

Nah. Just that they're doing it on PURPOSE...


unfortunately, even America isn't big enough not to have to choose her fights. The middle east gets more attention because it has more of a direct effect on American interests. The other goons you mentioned...are considered Putin's territory, I would bet.
They ARE on his doorstep after all....
edit:
Freebird, just saw your post. Well said.

Thanks John

Wednesday, March 7th, 2007
'Why I Fled George Bush's War' ...by Joshua Key
What happened to make a patriotic, gung-ho soldier desert the U.S. army, and turn against the war in Iraq.
Macleans

joshkey.com - Joshua Key

What are you trying to achieve posting this BS story? He's a fucking traitor and obviously he's selling his story making it sound as credible as possible. The truth is, he was probably too stupid to realize what it means to enlist. No one in the USA is forced to become a soldier.

I am not in insinuating this, I am clearly stating it - the same as the Pentagon and the people that fired the rounds - read the links !

Lousy argument for the defence of chemical weapons.
I think most people would choose a bullet over getting melted by WP.

Since the original justification of the war has been found to be lies, the coalition are now saying that because Saddam was a "bad guy", they had the moral authority to go to war. That moral authority is lost when the "good guys" use torture ( Agu Ghraib ) chemical weapons ( mk77) and kill civilians ( 100 or 500 thousand ).
It didn't have to be like that.

All those civilians, did not have to die ( anyone willing to provide a link for number of civilian deaths ?).

As for censorship, what about Dover Airbase. The bodies of US service personnel who had given their lives for their country were sneaked in at night.

what about the chemical weapons that Saddam used on his own people in Iraq?

I dont understand what you're saying here. Are you saying its ok to use chemical weapons on Iraqis as Saddam Hussian has done it already?

yoo hoo :o)

thats up to them. I would prefer our solidiers to be back home

I didn't expect you to understand me

And what about the chemical weapons Turkey used on Kurds?Why did you not do something for them?Or Kurds in Turkey are different from Kurds in Iraq?The former are terrorists while the latter are fighters for freedom?
Turkey seems to see both as terrorists.

Couldn't have said it better, Thanks One more quick note, I would love to have a number of Polish/American militay for the USA due to Stalin's BS. Carol


We still can't get accurate number of deaths in eastern Poland 1939-45, then again, dead men tell no tales.

Carol

Muppet, take it as a warning from those who know then.......I dont think a single british person on this thread is trying to cover up the mistakes of our own nation,quite the opposite in fact,we seem to be pointing out the fact that your nation hasnt learnt from our mistakes and seems hell bent on repeating our follies,with much less panache and not much sign that you will end up with a commenwealth of nations around the world who view you stil as a "mother country"......


Oh,this I love, "you" only got involved in the european war on December the 11th 1941 because adolf declared war on "you", dont start saying britain came to late when "you" guys sat the war out for 2 and a half years......

Do you remember who is in Iraq with us? Carol

Yes,as a school mate was killed out there,I bloody well do! You also seem to be missing the point, "we" aknowladge our mistakes while "you" seem to blame the world for yours.

How about criticizing everybody who deserve to be criticized?

we have never signed any agreement with Poland before the WW2. Brits and French were obligated to help Poland when the war started.

Yes while Bush's Grandpappy was still making a mint in Nazi germany.....how very noble of you all....

Are you trying to compare Americans with Nazis?

So it would seem you prefer them to die slower and remain concious.



semantics!



Would that be Bush's authority?



No? But it's ok to cascade in with their tanks playing "BURN MOTHER F***KER, BURN" on the headphones. Right?

Carol, USA, God Bless America

Read above story:
Wednesday, March 7th, 2007
'Why I Fled George Bush's War' ...by Joshua Key

No, I'm sure you're used to it.

I absolutely agree. Some people are taking advantage of the fact that it is facy these days to blame America for everything. I disagree with Bush and what he is doing but I would never say that our soliders kill and rape innocent people in 100's out there.

Remembrance Day - British Military Tribute
When I pray to my God I pray for all Nations and Religions...
I hear ya, Carol

Yes, unfortunately I'm used to meeting people like you. Not that it is my choice.

Do you work in Guantanomo Bay then?

I'd work there for free if you were an inmate over there you moron. I'm not going to waste my precious time talking to an idiot like you. bye bye little peasant.