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Should Poland continue to support Bush's war on terror?

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	matthias
	Mar 27, 08, 19:06 #2431 Seanus wrote: The Sunnis have greater ties to Iran at this moment. that's not true.... it's the Shiite militas who have the ties to Iran.... Seanus wrote: The kind of sectarian fighting we're seeing now in Iraq is new in its scale and ferocity, and it was the Americans who unleashed it. I guess, US is partly to blame but it's not their fault people view each other along sectarian lines....	Member Posts: 1659 Joined: Jan 9, 08

	Seanus
	Mar 27, 08, 19:12 #2432 I've answered via PM	Member Posts: 4080 Joined: Dec 25, 07

	joepilsudski
	Edited by: joepilsudski Mar 27, 08, 20:28 #2433 Origins of the Shiites Jews of Yathrib Prior to the advent of Islam, the Arabian Peninsula was inhabited by various warring tribes. Due to their lack of unity and their incessant inter-tribal warfare, the Arabs were a backwards race with few cultural achievements and very little military power. The motley Arabs were trapped in between two regional super-powers; to the West was the powerful Roman Empire and to the East was the mighty Persian Empire, and both would terrorize neighboring Arab provinces at will. It was then that a Prophet arose by the name of Muhammad, who unified the various Arab tribes under the banner of Islam. The Islamic ethos shattered the Jahiliyyah concept of Assabiyyah (tribalism/bigotry) and unified the Muslims under the newly defined concept of the Islamic Ummah. The Prophet unified the city of Yathrib (Medinah) which was a hotbed of inter-tribal warfare. The Jews of Yathrib feared the unification of the Arabs, because they used to play on the differences between the various groups. The Jews thus conspired with a group of people, the Munafiqoon (the hypocrites), who claimed to be Muslim but were really disbelievers. Their leader was a man named Abdullah ibn Ubayy ibn Salool. This was the first attempt of the Jews to subvert Islam from the inside, using Abdullah ibn Ubayy and his lot to create schisms within the Ummah. (The Jew by the name of Abdullah Ibn Saba would use this same technique to create schisms within the Ummah.) Read the rest here: http://www.ahlelbayt.com/articles/history/origins-of-the-shia-sect	Member Posts: 625 Joined: Apr 27, 07

	Seanus
	Mar 29, 08, 12:14 #2434 http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp504.htm, are Poland fighting in Saudi Arabia? Yes, I am obsessed	Member Posts: 4080 Joined: Dec 25, 07

	hairball
	May 3, 08, 15:12 #2435 matthias: US is partly to blame Take out the "partly" and then for the first time on this forum you'd be right!	Member Posts: 410 Joined: Dec 16, 07

	Patrycja19
	May 3, 08, 21:51 #2436 Seanus: Take out the "partly" and then for the first time on this forum you'd be right! Hairball sorry to say matthias wont be Quoting you anymore. out of all the forum members,, his was the only one that had security problems.. and as for the thread.. its pretty much Poop now.	Member Posts: 2757 Joined: Oct 31, 06

	Seanus
	May 4, 08, 08:03 #2437 youtube.com/watch?v=a9gitez0wiM&feature=related, just look at this. The guy is high-level	Member Posts: 4080 Joined: Dec 25, 07

	Foreigner4
	May 4, 08, 08:17 #2438 Hey ya seanus, you ever hear of John Pilger? He's an emmy winning journalist that has largely been censored by "mainstream" media for a long time now, he's got a (among many) a 4 part series on youtube entitled the invisible government. check it out.	Member Posts: 574 Joined: Nov 18, 07

	Seanus
	May 4, 08, 08:22 #2439 Cheers for that F4. I'll check it out. Check out Greg Szymanski and look for Leo Zagami. Here's a good article, http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/articles/article/1518131/70924.h tm. The intelligent ones know it was the likes of Balestrieri and Gelli, with the complicit help of the Neocons, that orchestrated 9/11.	Member Posts: 4080 Joined: Dec 25, 07

	Foreigner4
	May 4, 08, 09:36 #2440 interesting stuff. it does seem as though the whole thing will never be resolved as a full honest and unbiased investigation will never be supported by the mainstream and therefore will never be digested by the average westerner:(	Member Posts: 574 Joined: Nov 18, 07

	Seanus
	May 4, 08, 09:46 #2441 It was only in 2006 that Leo Zagami began defecting and telling his story. He was in the US 2 weeks ago, speaking about an anti-NWO project. It was southern who spoke of a possible terrorist attack within Poland. Well, it depends on the associations people make. Zagami has been very vocal in his indictment of the Vatican. There is so much money in its coffers, I wonder why. It is littered with corruption and when people see this and see its connection to Poland (JPII RIP etc), then the picture may change. This is quite far-fetched and radical in my mind but crazy people do crazy things.	Member Posts: 4080 Joined: Dec 25, 07

	Foreigner4
	May 4, 08, 12:27 #2442 not so far-fetched imo. there is a simple formula one need perform that without fail proves as much is very possilbe, if not entirely likely: undeniablly and irrefutably Wealth, Power, Corruption are intertwined. Start with any one of the three points and one always leads to the other, given enough time. True story.	Member Posts: 574 Joined: Nov 18, 07

	Seanus
	May 4, 08, 12:34 #2443 I was listening to a guy called Jon Todd, of Scottish stock, who was delivering a lecture on the Illuminati. He alluded to a book called Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. I had heard of the title and checked my book collection and there it was. I remember picking it up but shelving it as I was busy. It looks at NWO stuff and is scaringly far-sighted in parts. I'm browsing through it and, despite being mindnumbingly boring, contains flashes of inspiration.	Member Posts: 4080 Joined: Dec 25, 07

	Foreigner4
	May 4, 08, 13:16 #2444 that's the big problem with the anti-elitest and/or non-mainstream voices, i.e. there are too many of them- the wheat gets lumped in with the chaff. For example: I was watching some very well-spoken youth question a fox (faux) reporter about a variety of inconsistencies regarding american foreign policy and how it tied in or was a result of many fallacious assumptions based on incidents of 9/11 and just when a lone well-spoken self-appointed group rep was getting somewhere, it all went to crap. not only where they all speaking above oneanother to be "heard" but almost on cue some goofy faggoty sounding whiny guy started speaking above everyone else. His patheticness and blind liberalism single-handedly discredited their collective voices with his. sigh it is all too common with what is perceived to be the "left."	Member Posts: 574 Joined: Nov 18, 07

	Foreigner4
	May 4, 08, 13:55 #2445 you're gonna love this! How Americans can ignore this is beyond me, but Poles should definitely see it to get a "corrected" perspective on this war!	Member Posts: 574 Joined: Nov 18, 07

	Seanus
	May 4, 08, 14:29 #2446 Check out the Illuminati series on Youtube. NWO and conspiracy stuff, I take some of it with a pinch of salt but it helps when reputable sources chip in, like Bravo or the Discovery Channel. They tend not to distort anything.	Member Posts: 4080 Joined: Dec 25, 07

	lesser
	May 4, 08, 14:39 #2447 Foreigner4: sigh it is all too common with what is perceived to be the "left." Nothing reasonable though :)	Member Posts: 783 Joined: Oct 19, 07

	Seanus
	May 4, 08, 15:08 #2448 youtube.com/watch?v=2B5JHSTOrdU&feature=related, this is funny Gordon Brown and the Stranglers. I don't mind Gordie	Member Posts: 4080 Joined: Dec 25, 07

	JuliePotocka
	Edited by: JuliePotocka May 4, 08, 17:55 #2449 Thank you for posting an ad for RON PAUL, and using it as fact. I don't use what presidential runners post, as FACT; I use what is real, and when the US invaded Iraq, there wasn't any ties to 9/11. The entire invasion was turned into a media circus. My true fear, was what was going to be destroyed at the Bagdad Museum, as much is irreplaceable, such as the Gilgamesh tablets - the fore runner of the the creation story; that was fortunately not destroyed, but many artifacts were taken away, stolen, destroyed. What I am amused is that thus far, Syria has been the only one giving such items back - what about the rest of the world? Why does it seem that the American President keep targeting them, and Iran? Does the rest of the world comprehend that the head of the American government doesn't necessarily represent the people of America right now, nor has for a very long time? Many people fear that Bush won't give up Presidency to the next elected President, by instigating another war, or some other stuff, and basically install himself as dictator. Things that make you go hmmm.	Member Posts: 267 Joined: Nov 19, 07

	Seanus
	May 5, 08, 04:29 #2450 Siding with Pakistan was intelligent strategically but horrible morally. Dictator Bush, yeah, he wishes. I can't wait til he gets kicked into touch and a true American steps in.	Member Posts: 4080 Joined: Dec 25, 07

	Foreigner4
	May 5, 08, 05:33 #2451 JuliePotocka: Thank you for posting an ad for RON PAUL, and using it as fact. Thank you for ignoring that the interview existed before Mr. Paul's candidacy. Thank you for ignoring that the allegations in the interview stemmed from before the interview. Thank you for implying I attempted to use anything as fact when in fact I did not. Thank you for ignoring that the interview you discredited(circa 2004) implied what you just did in your post (2008). Thank you for attempting to play politics with information. True Story! I don't know why you stated I used anything as fact when the simple case is I did not, that was entirely your creation. Don't be chaff lady. Be wheat.	Member Posts: 574 Joined: Nov 18, 07

	hairball
	May 6, 08, 12:40 #2452 Foreigner4: How Americans can ignore this is beyond me But unfortunatly they will ignore this and many other "facts" because as they say, "the truth hurts."	Member Posts: 410 Joined: Dec 16, 07

	Seanus
	May 6, 08, 12:46 #2453 But u do question the true motives behind withdrawal of troops. Poland will withdraw troops from Iraq, probably in Sep this year. They will reassign many to Afghanistan and the rest will come home. As Dick Cheney said, the War on Terror may take decades, let's face it, it's a permanent war. Permanent wars require permanent solutions but Poland has seen through the facade. America is creaming everyone and securing the lion's share of everything. This is no fully-fledged war, Poland is doing the right thing by distancing itself from doing America's bidding.	Member Posts: 4080 Joined: Dec 25, 07

	hairball
	May 8, 08, 04:01 #2454 The Bush family will be very happy with this news.. World oil prices strike fresh record	Member Posts: 410 Joined: Dec 16, 07

	Seanus
	May 8, 08, 06:01 #2455 The mistake took place in 2003 when many Russian and French firms were ousted. I wish I could retrace that article but it showed the bully boy nature of US corporations. Not only is stealing oil control wrong but changing the trading currency to Dollars instead of Euro was one step too far.	Member Posts: 4080 Joined: Dec 25, 07

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