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Should Poland continue to support Bush's war on terror?


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Seanus GOLD MEMBER
  Jul 5, 08, 14:00  #2521

It would place Obama in one helluva fix. All options are still on the table, Gordon Brown pinched that from Bush. Attacking Iran would be one of the most needless attacks ever. If they feel that the leader is being problematic, take him out and don't bomb their good people.

Just try and imagine being threatened with a bomb attack. My grandma saw a German Luftwaffe plane very near a bridge that she wasn't so far from. It's an indescribable fear. Had he dropped his bomb, she was curtains.

 
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Wahldo
  Jul 5, 08, 14:29  #2522

Seanus:
Attacking Iran would be one of the most needless attacks ever.


Yes it would. Merkel and Sarkozy can sort this out with Iran.

 
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Seanus GOLD MEMBER
Edited by: Seanus  Jul 5, 08, 14:35  #2523

I agree, it doesn't need a heavy-handed approach. Bush had his way with Iraq and Putin could've been more condemnatory. However, Putin was quite clear about the Iranian question, having closer ties with the Iranians.

Time for the EU giants to step up to the plate. Thankfully, Sarkozy isn't as outspoken or hardline as that French politician who was inflammatory towards Iran. Iran has had the decency to remain a party to the major nuclear treaty.

I think Scott Ritter will have finished his book on Iran by now. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a copy.

 
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Zgubiony
  Jul 5, 08, 14:37  #2524

hairball:
Do you still think the same Mr Z?


Yes, but I also think Georgie may try to go out with a bang. Who knows, he's an idiot. I think it would be an idiotic move.

 

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Seanus GOLD MEMBER
  Jul 5, 08, 14:49  #2525

Sb's gonna try and shoot him? ;)

 
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hairball
  Jul 5, 08, 14:56  #2526

Zgubiony:
he's an idiot


That's what worries me.

 
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Seanus GOLD MEMBER
  Jul 5, 08, 15:01  #2527

Well, nothing bad so far, only invading Iraq ;)

 
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shopgirl
  Jul 5, 08, 15:04  #2528

And you don't think some crazed whitey might not try to take out Obama if he were to be elected?

*raises eyebrow*

 
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Seanus GOLD MEMBER
  Jul 5, 08, 15:06  #2529

America has its fanatics so it's possible. Just beef up the security when he goes to Texas and Louisiana, oh, Alabama too. Any redneck haven

 
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Zgubiony
  Jul 5, 08, 15:08  #2530

I'm sure doubles are already being looked at. There's always 1 person out to get the President.

 

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shopgirl
  Jul 5, 08, 15:13  #2531

Zgubiony:
There's always 1 person out to get the President.

Yeah...and they have usually turned out to be insane, rather than "redneck".
Insane people can be anywhere!

 
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Wahldo
  Jul 5, 08, 15:13  #2532

Seanus:
America has its fanatics so it's possible. Just beef up the security when he goes to Texas and Louisiana, oh, Alabama too. Any redneck haven


unfortunately, "redneck haven" covers a lot of ground.. may as well throw in Indiana, Georgia, Kentucky, Pennslvannia to a degree. We may have to get Obama a pope-mobile. HE's a brave soul anyway.

 
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Seanus GOLD MEMBER
  Jul 5, 08, 15:16  #2533

You're not wrong there. Jaaawja, yeah, watch out for that place!!

A pope-mobile? A mobile tank more like :)

 
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Wahldo
  Jul 5, 08, 15:20  #2534

Seanus:
Jaaawja


lol

 
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Seanus GOLD MEMBER
  Jul 5, 08, 15:21  #2535

I know people from Atlanta and they have told me that u shouldn't stray off the beaten track. U r American Wahldo?

 
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Hueg
  Jul 5, 08, 15:24  #2536

u shouldn't stray off the beaten track

No we've seen duelling banjos.

 
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Seanus GOLD MEMBER
  Jul 5, 08, 15:26  #2537

We've seen what? What's in that pipe u r smoking Hueg? Ur character certainly looks happy :)

 
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Zgubiony
Edited by: Zgubiony  Jul 5, 08, 15:27  #2538

He may be referring to the movie Deliverance


 

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Seanus GOLD MEMBER
  Jul 5, 08, 17:58  #2539

Here is America's ally on terrorism

youtube.com/watch?v=ymnjacioEmQ&feature=related, startling!!

 
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Wahldo
  Jul 5, 08, 18:51  #2540

Seanus:
How about German


Deutche ist nicht so schlect, I was a soldier there.

Slovakian no. Aunts and uncles lived in Cleveland apart from me and didn't speak it too much.

 
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Seanus GOLD MEMBER
  Jul 6, 08, 07:21  #2541

youtube.com/watch?v=__VPEngBLVQm, the Saudi involvement

I'm sure he says 'f*ck off' at 3.05, LOL

 
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hairball
Edited by: hairball  Jul 7, 08, 13:16  #2542

Another 40 dead and countless injured.

But who is responsible?

Pakistan?

The Taliban say not them!

Shortly after the attack, a woman ran out of a Kabul hospital screaming, crying and hitting her face with both of her hands. Her two children, a girl named Lima and a boy named Mirwais, had been killed.

"Oh my God!" the woman screamed. "They are both dead."

The Afghan Interior Ministry hinted that the attack was carried out with help from Pakistan's intelligence service, saying that "terrorists have carried out this attack in coordination and consultation with some of the active intelligence circles in the region." The Foreign Minister of Pakistan, Makhdoom Shah Mahmood Qureshi, said Pakistan condemned the attack and terrorism in all forms.

Taliban spokesman, Zabiullah Mujahid, denied that the militants were behind the bombing. The Taliban tend to claim responsibility for attacks that inflict heavy tolls on international or Afghan troops, and deny responsibility for attacks that primarily kill Afghan civilians.

"Whenever we do a suicide attack, we confirm it," Mujahid said. "The Taliban did not do this one."

No one has claimed responsibility for the attack.


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Seanus GOLD MEMBER
  Jul 7, 08, 15:08  #2543

Nasty bunch that ISI. They can all die and perish for all I care. This is not a racist remark, this is against indecency.

 
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hairball
Edited by: hairball  Jul 16, 08, 09:04  #2544

Why won't the Bush administration allow the Iraqi people to elect their own government instead of them (the USA) placing their own puppet administration in charge like they promised?

It must be because of the selling off of Iraqs state owned oil companies to "foreign" (and yes JohnP we all know that that means American) companies.





 
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hairball
Edited by: hairball  Jul 16, 08, 15:51  #2545

It now looks like Israel will attack Iran WITH america's backing!



On Monday July 14th Israel’s senior defence official, General Amos Gilad during an interview with BBC Radio four’s Today programme said that Israel is preparing itself to take military action against Iran
The statement came only a day after the Sunday Times revealed that “President George W Bush backs Israeli plan for strike on Iran”.
All of Iran’s nuclear plants are under Safeguards agreements with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which after over five years of intrusive inspections has found no evidence of any diversion into a weaponisation programme. In mid June, Dr ElBaradei, the Agency’s Director General threatened to resign if there is any attack on Iran.



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JohnP
  Jul 16, 08, 17:05  #2546

hairball:
Why won't the Bush administration allow the Iraqi people to elect their own government instead of them (the USA) placing their own puppet administration in charge like they promised?

It must be because of the selling off of Iraqs state owned oil companies to "foreign" (and yes JohnP we all know that that means American) companies.

Honestly, this is news to me. Last I heard they've been elected for awhile now, and negotiations are going on with the Iraqi government for when we can leave, as they have been stepping up to the plate (as I've mentioned before, I believe) and are already in control in the majority of the country. It has been awhile since the US was running the Iraqi government. Now that there are less assassination attempts on them by those formerly in power or others with ill will, there is more interest in having US forces and the huge amount of firepower/protection that go with them, turn over the reigns.
Good on them, I say.
As for selling off state owned companies (ahem...who is the "state" in this case-Saddam? not anymore. ) Please provide more information on this. Many of the companies you might think of as American have not been for quite a few years, but at any rate, if the Iraqis want to sell their oil, now is a good time to do it as the prices are sky high. Makes better business sense than to sell when it's dirt cheap, don't you think?
Finally, as for a US backed strike on Iran by Israel, I wouldn't completely count on it. I like the rest of us here, do not know what if any plans the Israelis may have wrt the Iranians, but an educated guess would say if they did a hit on Iran it would be targeted at the reactors producing weapons grade material and any long range missile sites. The Israelis have done this before, and prevented hostile powers from gaining nuclear weapons. We all did it to the Germans, also, come to think about it, but completely missed the Japanese bomb program. That's a different topic though.
I do think that such things are too often left to the Israelis, a group so hated in the region that almost anything they do leads to someone or other being dissatisfied. They shouldn't be doing the world's dirty work. My understanding (if I'm wrong I'm sure someone will provide me with hundreds of links) is that the world was generally in denial that Iran was purifying weapons grade material until the Israelis published satellite photographs of the facility...

Anyway.
Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

John P.

 
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Wahldo
  Jul 16, 08, 17:13  #2547

JohnP:
I do think that such things are too often left to the Israelis, a group so hated in the region that almost anything they do leads to someone or other being dissatisfied.


Most definitely.. if the US stops giving money Israel, rubber stamping everything they do.. it might actually gain a few friends back. Israel actually got caught spying on the US in the 90's.

 
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hairball
Edited by: hairball  Jul 17, 08, 01:15  #2548

JohnP:
but an educated guess would say if they did a hit on Iran it would be targeted at the reactors producing weapons grade material


So you clearly DIDN'T read the article. As you can see from the quote that I even made bold....

here I'll quote again for you

hairball:
On Monday July 14th Israel’s senior defence official, General Amos Gilad during an interview with BBC Radio four’s Today programme said that Israel is preparing itself to take military action against Iran
The statement came only a day after the Sunday Times revealed that “President George W Bush backs Israeli plan for strike on Iran”.

All of Iran’s nuclear plants are under Safeguards agreements with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which after over five years of intrusive inspections has found no evidence of any diversion into a weaponisation programme. In mid June, Dr ElBaradei, the Agency’s Director General threatened to resign if there is any attack on Iran.


There is NO EVIDENCE OF ANY DIVERSION INTO A WEAPONISATION PRAGRAMME!

It's just like Iraq again. The chief weapons inspector back then said that Iraq had no wmd's. But you invaded anyway and after one million civilians have died we find out he was right.

Now the IAEA say that Iran has NO WEAPONISATION PROGRAMME but they are going to be attacked anyway.

 
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Foreigner4
  Jul 17, 08, 01:41  #2549

JohnP:
but an educated guess would say if they did a hit on Iran it would be targeted at the reactors producing weapons grade material

how is that not a form of terrorism in itself? those reactors would have mainly civillians working in them. terrorism is the active targeting of civillians right?

didn't the u.s. military blow up some cafe where they thought saddam may have been? wasn't that also actively targeting civillians?

or does the double standard apply here too?

 
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Foreigner4
  Jul 17, 08, 04:10  #2550

KABUL (Reuters) "- U.S.-led coalition troops have killed eight Afghan civilians in an air strike in the western province of Farah during a raid against suspected militants"

now i guess western militaries only have to suspect civillians abroad in order kill them. kind of like the state only needing to say it suspects a citizen of being a terrorist to detain and deny them basic constitutional rights.

will the real terrorists please stand up?

 
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