Should Poland continue to support Bush's war on terror?

Again! what are you talking about?

Americans paid dearly for what their government have done, are doing and will continue to do.

What are you referring to?

I think that is probably true. Pakistan is wishy-washy about helping to eradicate Taliban training camps from within their borders. They say they are committed to stopping this publicly, yet internally do everything BUT that.

Going forward, I expect the West will have more scenarios like this one. The situation in Afghanistan doesn't get any better for any of the troops, when there is a pipeline bringing in more opposition from Pakistan's underground.

Except I'm not the perpetrator of the evil that I speak of. I back up all my claims with cridible links but the only argument that people like you, JohnP and Carol can come back with is to call me an American hater or a paranoid conspiracy theorist. They're the weakest arguments.

My next claim, that I again back up with a link, is that violence in Iraq is down, but it's not because of the coalition killing machine. It's because of the Shia community and Iranian influence.

Oh and Iraq is the most dangerouse place on the whole planet!



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You should read the whole article Wahldo. It points out the propoganda that your Neo Con government sells you!



This had ABSOLUTLY NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ

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or afghanistan!

You don't think so, well your buddy that seems to dis like Bush even more than you even see this much. Not just Saddan. I would have to say a large % find Cockburn to be a fool and the rest seem to believe everything he says. IMO I found him of interesting. This is one of 6.



Patrick Cockburn: Who is Muqtada al-Sadr?

I watched it - 9 minutes of my life I will never get back - what is the point in posting this ? Whats it relevant to ?

the tone of the latest issue of Newsweek (PL edition) in an article on Poland's involvement in Iraq can be summed up as follows:

1. We went willingly when called, hand in hand with our American fwends
2. Our military benefited because our equipment had been rusting for the past 50 years and we had no place to practice blowing sh$t up, now we have some real bad ass experience. hooo-ha!!
3. Our American fwends shafted us on deal after deal in Iraq (oil concessions, etc), Halliburton and others scooped up the choicest bits for themselves and we just got some table scraps.
4. We risked our lives and our reputation, and yet we got stiffed, but we are leaving holding our heads high.

The article also mentioned that Iraq still owes Poland about 650 million dollars (for invading their country lol!!)

Nor does your President!

Straight from the horses mouth as they say!

Listen very carefully one miniute 22 secs into the recording.

Bush and his henchmen were utterly clueless as to how to formulate a response strategy. Just read Bill Woodward's account, it'll show u how much in a flap they were. They were running around like headless chickens, bereft of inspiration.

Bush has been caught lying on several occasions, seems to be a habit of his. There is very little published material on consultations with Scott Ritter on WMD's. The guy is now offended and is publishing different things to expose the administration. I'd feel that way too if 7 years of my life were just crossed off, relegated to relative insignificance.

Never mind, Putin likes him. He needs sb to laugh at

haha classic:

Q: what does Iraq have to do with 911?
A: Nothing! Except, er..uh..(Oh sh$t, what was the question?)

if McCain gets elected, there may be more of the same:

Oh look, it's Mr Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran

Poland should help US if US is ready to pay for our help, we get investments or preferencial weapon deals then sure why not, we get zip, we ought to pull out.

I dont see a reason with sucking up to US when we get nothing of it.

The Allied campaign, spearheaded by America, must start to seriously question its strategy. Only now is the issue raised above 'incursions' into Pakistan. A breach of territorial integrity then is the same thing now. What grates me is how America ridiculed France for not being fully supportive of the cause, even going to the extent of pouring French wine down the drain, calling the French Fry a freedom fry etc etc. Well, they are Belgian anyway, lol.

Pakistan has been a half-hearted partner for too long. France got the dirty treatment, why not them? They have stymied efforts to get in about and have thwarted action plans by their petty objections. America needs to take this step, if only to show that the War on Terror reaches its full efficacy.

Its too political...this thread.

But... just got tempted to write:
I dont think Poland should support (or ever actually supported, if you talk about the general people) Bush's war on the so called terror.

U'd rather be discussing the morality of Poland's commitment? That's not a bad slant. I think the Polish government really has to want to deploy troops. If they are doing it to please America then that's a bit off. Georgia hardly got a huge helping hand for helping out in Iraq. Unfortunately, Lodz, it all comes back to politics in the end.

Or one country pulling every other country into a war - why? because they offer lots of nice tit bits in return!



What Georgia did was wrong - had they not gone in all guns blazing acting like they could do as they pleased because they had the backing of the USA, Europe may have taken a different view - USA didn't back them and Russia kicked their arsess back to Georgia and Europe paid lip service to the situation.

Not completely Shelley. I do agree that Georgia started it, but Russia occupied parts of Georgia, breaching their territorial integrity. Imagine if a foreign force occupied parts of England, how would u feel?

It's interesting that u used titbit and not tidbit which is British English.

They were in Georgia.

Do you have any idea of wars?If you push just the enemy behind a line have you won the war?Of course not if he can counterattack any moment.Can you imagine the Georgians hitting and destroying Tshvinkali and the next day getting back to safety behind the borders?It does not work like that.
Russians try to make the georgian army completely unable to start operations again.

Sean, it's all about military arts. Southern's right. The "Grad" missile system was located in Gori, therefore they had to occupy it, otherwise they might strike at Tskhinvali again. It's not an occupation, it's a military necessity.

support this? Ehh who's terrorizing who?





Are those guys heros or what?

Isolated incidents.
The sheep in the second clip were Al Quaeda operants in disguise.

I thought so also. :)

Polish troops are withdrawing from Iraq.
Article in Polish
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The slaughter continues.

This time eleven killed at a religous school in Pakistan.



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Would any Americans or JohnP care to comment?

1) On December 29, 1992, al-Qaeda's first terrorist attack took place as two bombs were detonated in Aden, Yemen.

2) 1993, Ramzi Yousef used a truck bomb to attack the World Trade Center in New York City.

3) On November 13, 1995, a van containing a hundred pounds of Semtex explosive blew up near the communications center for the Saudi National Guard in downtown Riyadh, Saudi Arabia,

4) 9/11

the list is 1000 of terrorist attacks long, just to much to mention...

Not once since I have known you Hairball have you critized the terrorists (instead you choose to focus all your energy on the US)... (and you think your objective??) Neither have you provided solutions of how to deal with terrorism....

Truth is fighting in any war, civilians will be caught in the crossfire, its sad but thats the reality.... The US doesn't target civilians but the terrorists do.....

Also that video above of the tank destroying the car because of the guys stealing wood... so what? it was a necessary act to show the Iraqi's that we will not accept looting and lawlessness in Iraq.... for those who didn't know there was an order to shoot to kill any looters during the disaster in New Orleans (Katrina)... These heavy handed tactics aren't pretty but necessary in order to prevent chaos and cause even more destruction in a country.... Imagine if the US would let looters run rampent... the situation would be much more dire...

As to the video of the soldier ramming cars of the road... once again so what? it aint pretty however you can clearly hear him honking the horn.... lets say some soldiers where under attack and needed reinforcments... however the backup is stuck in traffic cause none of the Iraqis are moving there cars to get out of the way.... Not saying the video is something we should be proud of in the US but theres a reason for it (this is war) and we need Iraqis to learn to pull over when a convoy needs to get through... cause soldiers lives depend on it...

as far as the sheep thats just pretty disgusting ... but those are isolated incidents (the soldiers should be punished) but its nothing compared to Al Quada beheading, throwing acid at people and committing sucide bombings... also your naive to think that every soldier in any army is going to act like an angel in a time of war.. however Majority of these soldiers are good people....

whats your suggestion hairball of how to fight terrorists?(Im very curious what you would do if you were in charge) Hold hands with them and sing Kumbaya??? Stop being so naive...

FOR THE RECORD WMD'S WERE FOUND IN IRAQ... HERE'S A NICE ARTICLE FOR YOU

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Owsley threw acid at people and some of them enjoyed it :)

BUSH'S WAR ON TERROR

I can't believe this thread is still going on...Bush will be gone in a couple of months, retiring to his big ranch in Paraguay, where all old Nazis go...This thread needs to be renamed 'Should Poland Support Obama's war on Terror'...or better yet, go to Random Chat, page 2-3 or 4, and check out 'Just Ask Joe: Advice About Everything'.

Yeah, but the War on Terror may rage on for years to come. The relevance is clear. Obama's War on Terror sounds more interesting, fresher

By the way, what would that be exactly?